RASMUSSEN

[Jane C]

1900 Census Saint Paul, Minnesota - for Bertha Marie Molstad I think:

Marie Millstead born 1848 in Denmark, 54, widowed, head of household, dressmaker, has had 1 child, still living, immigrated 1883, 17 years in USA

Gena Millstead born 1884 [in Minnesota] [transcribed as Gina]

with lodgers Marie Nelson, Jason Kitch, Matilda Jannes [Matilda b Denmark and gives same date of immigration, 1883]


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Marie Millstead born May 1819 [was Mette Marie Andersdatter born May 1819?], age 81, born in Denmark, immigration 1883, has had 10 children, 6 living

Hans Millstead, son, born 1855 in Denmark, Carpenter, widowed, immigration 1883

Philly, son [to Hans] born 1885 in Minnesota, messenger boy


And marriage of Gena (Jorgena I imagine):

30 March 1909 in Saint Paul, Ramsey county, Minnesota

Arne Johnson marries Gina Milsted. No parents names given.

This marriage might be key - the marriage record might say the place of the marriage, which would likely be a church - maybe the same church of other family records.

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi,

You will also find something about the Borch family on Geni: http://www.geni.com/people/Claus-Borch/6000000001300576868

Another line of the family: http://www.logy.dk/gerda/knudsen/5489.htm

And more here: http://www.johnoglis.dk/genealogi/getperson.php?personID=I87643&tree=JM

And here: http://www.corix.dk/nelsn/Bossing.web/per00361.htm

Lissa

[Jane C]

1920 West Saint Paul, Dakota, Minnesota

Arne Johnson 33 b Norway year of immigration 1906, paper hanger

Jorgina Johnson 35 [transcribed as Jor Gina] b Minnesota, occupation none
    Jorgina is first cousin to George Raymond Rasmussen

Lloyd Johnson 9

Harry Johnson 8

Leroy Johnson 6

Ethel Johnson 5

Earl Johnson 1

Mary Milsted 74 relationship to head of house: mother-in-law (so she is Bertha Marie) born in Denmark immigrated 1884 naturalized citizen - she is aunt to George Raymond Rasmussen
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1930 Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota

Arne Johnson 43 b Norway immigrated 1906

Jorgina M Johnson 45

Lloyd E Johnson 19

Harry R Johnson 18

Le Roy Johnson 16

Ethel L Johnson 15

Earl R Johnson 11
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I think this is Bertha Marie Molstad even if the father's name is wrong. It is the children who make up the mother's death certificate - probably we've all seen errors in death records of people for whom we know for sure it's just an error in the record. 

Mary Milsted death record
birth: 1847
death: 11 Mar 1924 —St. Paul,  Ramsey,  Minnesota,  United States
parents: Lars Milsted [sic]
spouse: John
record title: Minnesota Deaths and Burials, 1835-1990

[Jane C]

Name: Sine G Milsted
Location 1: 412 St Anthony avenue
Occupation: housekpr
Year: 1890, 1891
City: St. Paul
State: MN (Minnesota, USA)

Ancestry.com. Original data:
•St. Paul City Directory, 1889-1890. St. Paul, MN: R. L. Polk and Co., 1890.
•St. Paul City Directory, 1890-1891. St. Paul, MN: R. L. Polk and Co., 1891.
Description:
Directory listing for some residents of St. Paul, Minnesota between 1889 and 1891

Note the 1900 census with Jensine/Sine's mother, sister Bertha Marie, and brother Hans. Here is a directory listing when I searched on his name - same address!

Hans G Milsted Location 2: 412 St Anthony avenue Occupation: contractor
Year: 1890, 1891
City: St. Paul State: MN [Minnesota]

Here's Hans Milsted in the 1885 census in Saint Paul:

Hans Melsted 30 born about 1855 in Denmark

Mary 32 born in Denmark

Anna 9 born in Pennsylvania

Anthony 7 born in Denmark

[DALE RASMUSSEN]

Would it be useful to order this death certificate?
RASSMUSSEN, JENSINE
Date of Birth:  na
Place of Birth:  na
Mother Maiden Name:  na

   certid# 1939-MN-005166

Date of Death:  27 Jul 1939
County of Death: HENNEPIN

There are three other death certificates; Hans A. 1916 Hennepin County - Hans 1916 Nicollet County and Hans 1919 Olmsted County

I have received the birth certificate for George Raymond, it was altered from the original and dated 1954.

[Jane C]

In 1910 Hans Milsted and son Philip are in Bismarck, Burleigh County, North Dakota.

Ancestry has them indexed as Hena J Mcintosh and Philipa J Mcintosh, but Family Search has a closer approximation of their names (Haus for Hans, and Philip A J M?Lstide). I looked at the online scan of the census - it is indeed hard to read.

On 02 March 1909 Philip married Agnes Hurley in Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota.

[Jane C]

Kirsten, remember you were looking for a repetition of the name Marian, from Denmark to Minnesota? I have now a woman I think is Mariane Noring Jørgensen (age 13 in the 1870 census in Eriknauer, Hatting), living in Minnesota with Mary Milsted ( = Mette Marie Andersdatter, mother to Jensine Petrea Jørgensen Mølsted - and also mother to Marian, Bertha, and Hans).

1905 Census
Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota
Hans Larsen 45 born about 1860 in Denmark
Marion Larsen 47 born about 1858 in Denmark
George [George is listed as age 32, female]
Etta 19
Freda 16
William 13
Leonard 5
Mary Milsted 86 born about 1819 in Denmark

Kirsten, you found MARIAN MOLSTED in the International Genealogical Index
Marriage: 08 MAR 1882 , Ramsey, Minnesota

1930 Census - Marion has a middle initial N  
St. Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota
Hans P. Larsen 70
Marion N. Larson 72
Frank L. Larsen 30
Etta L. Larson 38
Beatrice H. Nelson (granddaughter)  15

DEATH RECORD - PROVES she is a Milstad
for Marian Larsen, age 73
Birth 1857
Death 16 December 1930
St. Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota
Parents: Jorgen Milstad
found on Family Search

[Jane C]

Kirsten - another one of your leads panned out. You asked "Marius/Maurice's son Rudolph? JACK R. MILSTEAD ...etc."

Found a World War I draft registration card for Jack Rudolph Milsted. He registered 05 June 1917 in Oregon City, Clackamas, Oregon (where his mother Emma Milsted moved after Maurice died). Jack Rudollph Milsted was born 12 September 1894 in Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota. His registration card says he's already served in the military - as a corporal in the U.S.M.C. The physical description says Jack was tall, slender, with blue eyes and brown hair.

That's enough. I think Dale has a good start on this to find here!

[Jane C]

Vejle, Hatting, Hatting, Eriknauer, en Gaard, 108-F3, FT-1850, D2805

Jørgen Chr. Jensen Molke 33  Gift  Husfader, Indsidder, Tømmermand Ølsted, Veile Amt
Mette Marie Andersdatter 31  Gift  hans Kone, Syerske Vinding, Skanderborg Amt
Birthe Marie Jørgensen 5  Ugift  deres Barn her i Sognet
Anders Jørgensen 2  Ugift  deres Barn her i Sognet

[Hanne Bjørn]

Mette Marie Andersdatter was born 1819 in  Vrønding, Tamdrup parish op 80. Her parents Anders Nielsen and Birthe(Birgitte) Marie lived 1834 in Eriknauer, Hatting parish.
The marriage to Jørgen Mølsted 28 nov. 1845 in Hatting op 110.
I have seen before in this area that the widow moved with some children to some other children in U.S.A.
regards
Hanne Bjørn
Torsted next to Hatting

[DALE RASMUSSEN]

Before everyone moves on, does anyone have any additional information on Rasmus Sorensen and Ane Hansdatter from Lissa's reply?

[Jane C]

Hi Dale -

Will you please send me an email - so I can reply with a summary of what we know about your great-grandfather Hans Rasmussen and who he might be in Denmark? (I can't seem to make the email system work from my end). That way you can put the summary as a new post in which further work can be done, on your great-grandfather's side.

It seems to me that your great-grandmother's identity and ancestry has been established. Lissa posted some links showing that family's (your family's) genealogy (family trees posted online). I took a quick look, and I can tell you it is quite interesting. For one, it seems you are descended from Jacob Jensen Holm, who became bishop in Viborg in 1587. So that's a good day's work for furthering your knowledge of your Danish roots!

I haven't had much time but I am certainly noticing the grouping of Hansen/Hansdatters and Sorensens in the people associated with Hans Soren Rasmussen in Drøsselbjerg By, Drøsselbjerg, Løve, Holbæk. Yes, we should explore further.

[DALE RASMUSSEN]

Jane,
My e-mail is dalerrasmussen@yahoo.com.
I want to thank you and all who have responded in this string for all of your great work with the research.  I could only scratch the surface, but you have really dug into this and provided more than I ever thought would be found.  Rasmus Sorensen is a great lead and hopefully is the father of Hans.
Dale

[Hanne Bjørn]

Hi Dale
You asked about Ane Hansdatter and Rasmus Sørensen. What Lissa could not read in the churchbook about Rasmus Sørensen was that he lived same place than the mother so he lived in Kirke Helsinge 1862.

Here are some sencus Ane Hansdatter who had a brother Mads Hansen children of small farmer Hans Madsen and Rasmus Sørensen  who was a son of  a farmer and later got the farm.

Samtlige personer i husstanden
holbaek, Løve, Kirke Helsinge, Kirke Helsinge by, Et Huus, 49, FT-1840, C6762
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Hans Madsen   37    Gift      Huusmand og Dagleier   
Margrethe Hansdatter   43    Gift      Hans kone   
Mads Hansen   14    Ugift      Deres børn   
Mette Hansdatter   11    Ugift      Deres børn   
Hans Hansen   6    Ugift      Deres børn   
Ane Hansdatter   4    Ugift      Deres børn   

Samtlige personer i husstanden
holbaek, Løve, Drøsselbjerg, Mullerup By, et Huus, 2, FT-1880, D2276
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Mads Hansen   53    Gift   Huusfader og Huusmand, Dagleier      Helsinge Sogn
Jakobine Bissen   36    Gift   Hans Hustru      Helsinge Sogn
Hans Peder Hansen   7    Ugift   Deres Søn      Her i Sognet

Samtlige personer i husstanden
holbaek, Løve, Kirke Helsinge, Kirkehelsinge By, en Gaard, 8, FT-1880, C5639
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Rasmus Sørensen   42    Gift   Husfader, Gaardejer      Her i Sognet
Maren Hansen   36    Gift   Hans Hustru      Gjørløv Sogn
Hans Christian Sørensen   9    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Ane Kirstine Sørensen   7    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Niels Peder Sørensen   5    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Jens Sørensen   4    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Rasmus Sørensen   2    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Martin Sørensen   1    Ugift   Deres Barn      Her i Sognet
Andreas Carl Valdemar Vilumsen   23    Ugift   Tjenestefolk      Føllenslev Sogn
Maren Sofie Larsen   26    Ugift   Tjenestefolk      Svallerup Sogn
Ane Hansdatter   71    Enke   Husfaderens Moder, der af ham forsørges      Her i Sognet
Else Kirstine Sørensen   33    Ugift   Husfaderens Søster, der af ham forsørges      Her i Sognet________________________________________
regards
Hanne Bjørn

[Jane C]

Thank you Hanne! I was wondering if they were siblings.

So this must be our Rasmus? :
Holbæk, Løve, Kirke Helsinge, Kr. Helsinge By, 1 Gård, 27, FT-1850, C8464
Søren Rasmussen 40 Gift Gaardmand Husfader Her i Sognet
Ane Hansdatter 42 Hans Hustru Her i Sognet
Children
Rasmus Sørensen 13
Hans 10
Else Christine 4

And here's Ane with her parents in 1850 census (they are also there in 1834)
Holbæk, Løve, Kirke Helsinge, Kr. Helsinge By, 1 hus, 20, FT-1850, C8464
Hans Madsen 49 Gift Husmand Her i Sognet
Margrethe Hansdatter 53 Gift Hans Hustru Finderup, Holbæk Amt
Ane Hansdatter 14 Deres barn Her i Sognet
Maren Hansdatter 27 Deres datter Her i Sognet
Jens Hansen 1 Hendes barn

[Kirsten Tatt]

Census 1860 - Kirke Helsinge

Rasmus Sørensen (the father of 'our' Hans (S)øren Rasmussen)
is still living at his parents farm in Kirke Helsinge.
He is 23 - unmarried.

(slag 6)

[Kirsten Tatt]

Census 1870 - Kirke Helsinge

Rasmus Sørensen is visiting his parents at their farm - they are both alive.

It says that Rasmus is married and lives permanent
at Olstrup, Hallingslev, Holbæk Amt.

(Opslag 21)

[Jane C]

So does Ane die? And that is why little Hans is with his uncle Mads? (Why does not his father Rasmus care for him!) Can there be information about Hans in his last residence parish (in Sorø)?

Name:  Rasmussen, Hans Søren  Occupation:  Tyende (m/k land)
Age:  26 Destination:  New York
Contract no.:  37300 Registration date:  3/13/1889
Birth place:  ? Birth place:  ?
Last res. parish:  ? Last res. county:  Sorø
Last residence:  Taarnby Mølle (mill), Sorø Destination country:  USA
Destination city:  New York City Destination state:  New York State
Name of ship:  Denmark
Remarks:  SOS: Tårnby Mølle kan ikke lokaliseres i (cannot be located in) Sorø Amt (county). IDcode:  D8789R1715

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Here is nephew to "our" Ane Hansdaughter - first cousin to Hans Soren
Jens Hansen born 30 okt 1849 (30 Oct 1849) Cristening Date: 25 nov 1849
Christening Place: KIRKE-HELSINGE, HOLBAEK, DENMARK
Father: Hans Peder Larsen
Mother: Maren Hansdr

Looking for people who might show up with Hans Rasmussen in Minnesota...

[Kirsten Tatt]

This could be 'our' Hans (S)øren Rasmussen - the age fits.
(Drøsselbjerg is a neibourgh-parish to Kirke Helsinge)


Census 1880 - Drøsselbjerg, Holbæk
Samtlige personer i husstanden

Holbæk, Løve, Drøsselbjerg, Drøsselbjerg By og Sogn, Gaard, 9, FT-1880, D2276
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Niels Jørgensen 29  Gift Huusfader, Gaardejer  Her i Sognet
Maren Sørensen 41  Gift Hans Hustru  Helsinge Sogn, Holbek Amt
Karen Jørgensen 1  Ugift Hans Datter  Her i Sognet
Marie Hansdatter 70  Enke Hans Svigermoder  Helsinge Sogn, Holbek Amt
Hans Søren Rasmussen 17  Ugift Tjenestefolk  Helsinge Sogn, Holbek Amt Maren Kirstine Pedersen 20  Ugift Tjenestefolk  Stillinge Sogn, Sorø Amt
 
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[DALE RASMUSSEN]

You could be correct Jane that Ana has died and Mads took Hans into his house.
I also wonder why not Rasmus?

Her mother is Margrethe but is was very odd to see someone (older) with the same name living with Rasmus Sorensen in 1880 from Hanna's reply.  What is Husfaderens, it didn't translate?

Ane Hansdatter   71    Enke   Husfaderens Moder, der af ham forsørges      Her i Sognet

[Jane C]

Hi Dale - the same name but a different person - it's just that the patronymic last names are so common (my father is a Hans, your father is a Hans, we're both Hans's sons/daughters). Confusing - but good to remember that a person named Rasmussen is not looking for Rasmussen ancestors in Denmark.

I don't speak Danish - but I think husfader means head of the household, father of the household. Hope one of the Danes will say.

We Americans would find it about impossible to research Danish ancestry without their help!

So it's Ane Hansdatter Enke (widow) husfaderns' moder (mother to the head of household) dependent on him.

This Hans (S)Søren Rasmussen of Kirke Helsinge is a foster child in another parish in 1870 at age 7, although the researchers here have now shown that he had a living father and living grandparents in Kirke Helsinge. We don't know why all this is, maybe it is not a sad story, but maybe it is. And maybe a sad life story is behind your great-grandfather's death in about 1918. Maybe.

Holbæk, Løve, Kirke Helsinge, Kirke Helsinge by, En Gaard, 17, FT-1840, C6762
Søren Sørensen 32 Gift Gaardmand
Maren Hansdatter 32 Hans Kone
Søren Sørensen 4
Maren Sørensdatter 2
etc.

For a good brief online dictionary, try Norman Madsen's Danish-English dictionary.

[Hanne Bjørn]

When I in july was at a familyreunion in U.S. I found out that Google over there not shows tranlation in the front. You have to choose more and there you have translate. Try to copy some text Ctrl+c and paste it Ctrl+v choose danish and translate to english. I tried to tranlate a speach one of my relatives made at the reunion. I have to change something.
But it can not translate husfaderens maybe because that word it not used any more in DK.
regards
Hanne Bjørn

[Hanne Bjørn]

I am not sure that Ane Hansdatter died. I found this sencus in Kindertofte parish 1880
Kindertofte sogn 1880 Frederikslund manor house
Hans Pedersen   40    Gift   Husfader, Fyrbøder hos Forpagter Pedersen      Sæby Sogn, Holbek Amt
Ane Hansen   43    Gift   hans Kone      Kirkehelsinge Sogn, Holbek Amt
Anna Sofie Pedersen   13    Ugift   hans Datter      Gjersløv Sogn, Holbek Amt
Hansine Vilhelmine Pedersen   8    Ugift   hans Datter      St. Mikkels Landsogn, Slagelse, Sorø Amt________________________________________

Ane Sofie Pedersen was born in Gierslev op 97 and some of the widness are the same as Hans Søren Rasmussen´s. But I have not found the marriage of Hans Pedersen and Ane Hansen.

Regards
Hanne Bjørn

[Kirsten Tatt]

Hanne, that is her!!

He daughter,

Anna Sophie Pedersen born 14 apr 1867 Løve Mark, Gierslev parish, Holbæk county

Parents: Hans Peder Pedersen og hustru Ane Hansen 30½ år Løve Mark.
Fadderne:
1. Pige Birthe Marie Andersen af Bødstrup
2. Skomager (shoemaker) Hans Hansens kone, Kirke Helsinge
3. .... skomager H Hansen
4. Indsidder Vincenz Nilausen, Løve Mark
5. Indsidder Niels Johansen, Mullerup(Drøsselbjerg parish in Holbæk)

Opslag 97

Kirsten

[Jane C]

Big Smile!!!!

[Kirsten Tatt]

Her daughter:


Hansine Vilhelmine Pedersen born Nov 19 1871, Valbygrds Huse (?), Slagelse Skt Mikkel, Sorø county

Parents:
Arbejdsmand Hans Peder Pedersen and wife Ane Hansen 35
Fadderne:
Pigen Karen Marie Andersen på Brørup
Arbejdsmand Ras(?) Nielsens wife Ane Marie Olsen - same
Arbejdsænd Peder Mortensen og Anders Nielsen - all from Valbygrd/Kolbygrd?

Opslag 236


!!!!!!!!

May 7 1872 dies farmer Søren Rasmussen during a stay in Slagelse - 62 years of age.

Søren Rasmussen is the father of Rasmus Sørensen
who is the father of Ane's son Hans Søren Rasmussen
who married Signe Mølsted.

Churchbook Kirke Helsinge, Holbæk county - opslag 215

[Jane C]

"May 7 1872 dies farmer Søren Rasmussen during a stay in Slagelse - 62 years of age." -- says Churchbook Kirke Helsinge, Holbæk county - opslag 215

says Kirsten, "Søren Rasmussen is the father of Rasmus Sørensen who is the father of Ane's son Hans Søren Rasmussen who married Signe Mølsted."

The churchbook in Kirke Helsinge does not refer to Sine Mølsted, right?

Wondering, since we have not established that this Hans Søren Rasmussen is Sine's husband.

[DALE RASMUSSEN]

I'm getting confused.  Is Signe Molsted Jensine?  How do you know Ane Hansen is Ann Hansdatter?  This seems extra sad for poor Hans.  He is a foster child at uncle Mads in 1870, but his mother is somewhere else having children in 1867 and 1871 and his father is also not keeping him.

[Kirsten Tatt]

Here is the churchbook:

Død 7 maj 1872 -begravet 14 May - Søren Rasmussen Gårdmand i Kirke Helsinge Mark (...........)
Gift med Ane Hansdatter - 62 - har to efterlevende børn, en søn og en datter.
Døde  uventet under ophold i Slagelse.

[Kirsten Tatt]

Dale,

I understand you are confused.!

Ane is often spelled Anne, Anna

I can not find the census 1879 that has Hans as a 7 year old boy.?

Signe is often short of Jensine or Jensigne.

Kirsten