Where were parents born

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

I found this census record but have been unable to find the births of Christian Nielsen and Maren Larsdatter.  I have looked in the church records of Kirke Saaby and Svogerslev, Roskilde but did not find them.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.

All persons in the household

Roskilde, Voldborg, Gevninge, Gjevninge By, , et Hus, 25, FT-1860
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Occupation in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Christian Nielsen   54    Gift   Vogter      Kirke Saaby, Kjøbenhavns Amt
Maren Larsdatter   33    Gift   hans Kone      Svogerslev, Kjøbenhavns Amt
Ole Pedersen   8    Ugift   deres Barn      *her i Sognet
Frants Pedersen   6    Ugift   deres Barn      *her i Sognet
Ane Kirstine Jacobsdatter   77    Enke   Fattiglen      Frederiksborg

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Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

Looking in the churchbook to find the births of the children (Ole, opslag 3 and Frantz, opslag 4) I found that the children are HER children. The father was a Jens Olsen for both of them.

Don't know whether this helps you?

Lissa

[Asger Berg]

Hi Paul,

I just checked, and the father's name, of course, is Peder Olsen, not Jens. - But that is not what interests you, I suppose!

Asger

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

If you don't have it, Christian Nielsen and Maren Larsdatter married in Gevninge parish on 18 Sep 1858 - opslag 91 (1851-1892). She was 29, and he was 53. She was Peter Olsen's widow. It says that he was from Kirke Hyllinge, and he was a widower.

Lissa

PS: Sorry that I wrote Jens Olsen! The father was as Asger writes Peder Olsen.

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

A Peder Olsen died 12 Aug 1858 in Kirke Hyllinge parish - cannot read his age - perhaps 53 yrs old - opslag 157 (1845-1863) - son of Ole Larsen.

Peder Olsen and Maren Larsdatter were married in Svogerslev parish 29 Oct. 1851 - opslag 72 (1829-1853) - he was - perhaps - 27 years old, she was 23. One of the witnesses was a Lars Olsen - could be her father?

Lissa

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hej Lissa,

Thanks for your kind help.  Let me give an idea.  Maren Larsdatter married Peder Olsen in Sjogerslev, Sømme, Roskilde on 29 Oct 1851, opslag 72 nr 5.  One of the witnesses is Lars Nielsen.

In the births for Sjogerslev there is a Karen Marie Larsdatter born on 21 April 1833, parents Lars Nielsen and Sidse Frandsdatter, opslag 22 nr 2.  

I found this transcribed 1834 census
All persons in the household

Roskilde, Sømme, Svogerslev, Svogerslev by, , Hus, 39, FT-1834
Name:    Age:    Marital status:    Occupation in household:    Occupation:    Birth place:
Lars Nielsen   39    Gift      Indsidder og daglejer   
Sidse Frandsdatter   30    Gift      Hans kone   
Anne Sophie Larsdatter   10    Ugift      Deres barn   
Niels Larsen   7    Ugift      Deres barn   
Maren Larsdatter   3    Ugift      Deres barn

Could Karen Marie Larsdatter and Maren Larsdatter be the same person?  What do you think?

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Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

The family is here in 1840:

roskilde, Sømme, Svogerslev, Svogerslev Sogn, et Huus af Klostergodset i Roeskilde, 5, FT-1840, C8416
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Andersen 33  Gift  Lever af sin Jordlod 
Anne Marie Eriksdatter 29  Gift  hans Kone 
Karen Marie Jensdatter 6  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Anders Jensen 3  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Lars Nielsen 44  Gift  Indsidder og Dagleier 
Sidse Frandsdatter 36  Gift  hans Kone 
Niels Larsen 13  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Maren Larsdatter 11  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Jens Larsen 5  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Peder Larsen 3  Ugift  Deres Børn 
Karen Marie Larsdatter 1  Ugift  Deres Børn

and here in 1845:

roskilde, Sømme, Svogerslev, Svogerslev by, Hus, 48, FT-1845, b7652
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Lars Nielsen 50  Gift  Indsidder og arbejdsmand Kornerup sogn, Roskilde amt
Sidse Fransdatter 42  Gift  Hans kone Hyllinge sogn, Roskilde amt
Maren Larsdatter 16  Ugift  Deres barn Her i sognet
Jens Larsen 10  Ugift  Deres barn Her i sognet
Peder Larsen 7  Ugift  Deres barn Her i sognet
Karen Larsdatter 6  Ugift  Deres barn Her i sognet
Ane Marie Larsdatter 2  Ugift  Deres barn Her i sognet

And Maren could be here in 1850:

roskilde, Sømme, Herslev, Herslev Bye, en Gaard, 47, FT-1850, C7276
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Christian Georgsen 43  Gift  Gaardmand, sognefoged, husfader Kirke Hvalsø
Ellen Marie Petersdatter 32  Gift  Hans Hustru Herslev
Lars Christiansen 7  Ugift  Deres barn Herslev
Hans Georg Christiansen 1  Ugift  Deres barn Herslev
Peter Larsen 67  Enkemand  Huusmoders Fader, der af dem forsørges Herslev
Peter Christiansen 20  Ugift  Tjenestefolk Herslev
Ole Poulsen 19  Ugift  Tjenestefolk Herslev
Maren Larsdatter 21  Ugift  Tjenestefolk Svogerslev
Mette Kirstine Olsdatter 14  Ugift  Tjenestefolk Allerslev, Roskilde Amt

Lissa

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hej Lissa,

Karen Marie and Maren have to be the same person.  I have searched the Sogerslev kirkebog for births from 1825 to 1831 and the only one born to Lars Nielsen and Sidse Frandsdatter is Karen Marie.  What do you think?

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Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Honestly, I don't know ....

Have you tried/found her confirmation?

Lissa

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hej Lissa,

Karen Marie and Maren Larsdatter are not the same person.  I found this at FS
Individual Record    FamilySearch� Vital Records Index
   Denmark
   
Maren LARSDR    
   Sex: F       
         
Event(s):        
   Birth: 29 Apr 1829      Place: <Svogerslev, Kobenhavn, Denmark>
   Christening: 28 Jun 1829      Place: Svogerslev, Kobenhavn, Denmark
         
Parents:        
   Father: Lars NIELSEN
   Mother: Sidse FRANDSDR

Apparently there is a page missing from the Svogerslev kirkebog but not the microfilm that the LDS have.

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Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

This Maren's age does fit better than the other one - see also the censuses (at least some of them) - so that must be her - good.

Lissa

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hej Lissa,

Thanks so much for your help and encouragement.  It is truly appreciated.

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Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Paul,

You are welcome.

You will find Maren's confirmation in Kornerup parish in 1843 (Svogerslev churchbook (opslag 58) says that confirmations in 1843 took place in Kornerup) - opslag 166 (1829-1878) - parents Lars Nielsen and Sidse Frantsdatter. Maren was born 29 April 1829 in Svogerslev.

Lissa

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hej Lissa,

Once again mange tak.  Now I can put that information in my family tree.

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Paul