Welslef bye og sogn ??

[Rick Larsen]

Hi,

Can anyone help me identify the location of "Welslef bye og sogn" or "Wellef by og sogn"? This place is referenced in the engagement/marriage entry for my grandparents, Christian Jensen & Magrete Madsdatter, on Øsse-Næsbjerg 1783-1814, Opslag 12 (Ribe).

I find a Vellev sogn in Viborg amt, but there is no reference to her birth +/- 5 years from when she shoulb be born and Viborg seems far away (for the time period).

Is there another location that my be a possibility?

I find her in the 1801 census, just before the marriage, as the only Magrethe Madsdatter in all of Ribe amt, as follows:

Ribe, Skast, Nordby, Odden i Nørbye paa Fanø, , , 29 Familie, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Mathis Nielsen Ellens 35  Gift Husbonde Fisker 
Mette Jesdatter 29  Gift Hans Kone   
Niels Mathisen 3   Deres Søn   
Magrethe Madsdatter 22  Ugift Tieneste Pige


Thanks,
Rick

[Leif Thor Olsen]

Hi.

Try Ma r grethe. Magrethe is misspelled.

Leif

[Rick Larsen]

Thanks Leif... I did. It was just the spelling they used in the 1801 census and 1802 marriage records.

Regards,

[Judith Olsen]

Hi

Could it be Vilslev sogn in Ribe Amt ?

Try and look at Vilslev sogn, 1727-1801, opslag 105, Mads Graversen and Mette Pedersdatter, their daughter Magrethe.

This Magrethe is confirmed in 1793, opslag 231, nr. 8.

[Rick Larsen]

Dear Judith,

This is her! Thank you very much for the assistance!

Rick

[Judith Olsen]

Hi Rick

I hope it is her.

The problem is, that I can't find her in the census 1787 with her parents.

But maybe she is with som relatives - but still: I can't find her.

Anyway - I am happy, if you are 

[Rick Larsen]

Yes, neither she nor her brother, Gravers, can be found in the 1787 census. I have looked, but I did find her brother's birth in 1779 [opslag 108], his confirmation in 1794 [opslag 232] and I found her parent's marriage in 1777 [opslag 207].

Strangley, I do not find death records for either of the parents up to 1801 either, and they do not appear in the 1801 census.

Regards,
Rick

[Judith Olsen]

Hi Rick

I have found at little more for you:


From FamilySearch.org - all 5 children:

1. Margrethe MADZSDATTER - Vital Records Index / DE
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 02 Jan 1778 Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark

2. Gravers MADSEN - Vital Records Index / DE
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 01 Aug 1779 Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark
   
3. Peder MADZSEN - Vital Records Index / DE
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 20 Aug 1780 Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark

4. Peder MADSEN - Vital Records Index / DE
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 08 Jun 1788 Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark

5. Lars MADSEN - Vital Records Index / DE
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 27 Nov 1791 Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark


And here Mette in FT 1801 with the 2 youngest sons:

Ribe, Gørding, Vilslev, Vilslef Bye, , 61. fam, FT-1801, B9154
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Nis Knudsen   36    Ugift   Huusbonde   Bonde og Gaardbeboer   
Svend Knudsen   29    Ugift   hands Broder      
Peder Jensen   22    Ugift   Tienestefolk      
Anna Christensdatter   23    Ugift   Tienestefolk      
Mette Pedersdatter   44    Enke   Aftægtskone      
Peder Madsen   13    Ugift   Hændes Børn      
Laust Madsen   9    Ugift   Hændes Børn      


And also from FamilySearch.org:

Madz <GRAVERSEN HEMMED>    
Sex: M                   
Event(s):       
Christening: 19 Nov 1747       Place: Vilslev, Ribe, Denmark
           
Parents:       
Father: Gravers HEMMED
Mother: Margrethe

[Rick Larsen]

Thank you very much Judith!!

Using the information you provided, I was able to make some progress. The only information I did not find is a death date for Mads Graversen. According to the 1801 census you provided, I can see that his wife, Mette Pedersdatter, said she was a widow. Madz was last known alive at the baptism of his son Lars in Nov 1791. A search of the register did not show any death date between these two dates. Perhaps they were separated or divorced before his death and he died elsewhere.

Since this forum is searchable, for the record, this is what I found:

Madz Graversen, bap. 19 Nov 1747 in Vilslev, [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 39], the son of Gravers Pedersen Hemmed and Margrethe Madsdatter, who were married in Vilslev on 2 Jul 1746 [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 198].

Madz was the 1st of 7 known children. The others were:

Peder Graversen Hemmed - Bap: 2 Nov 1749 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 42]
Laust Graversen Hemmed - Bap: 30 Jul 1752 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 45]; Buried: 28 Mar 1753 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 255]
Povel Graversen Hemmed - Bap: 14 Oct 1753 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 47]
Anna Graversdatter Hemmed - Bap: 14 Sep 1755 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 49]
Laurs Graversen Hemmed - Bap: 11 Feb 1760 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 56]; Buried: 17 Mar 1760 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 258]
Karen Graversdatter Hemmed - Bap: 29 Jul 1761 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 58]; Buried: 16 Aug 1761 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 259]

Gravers Pedersen Hemmed was buried in Vilslev on 24 Dec 1772, aged 50 [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 265]. Margrethe Madsdatter was buried in Vilslev on 17 Jan 1777 [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 267].

Mads Graversen and Margrethe Madsdatter married on 5 Oct 1777 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 207] and had 5 known children:

Margrethe MADZSDATTER - Bap: 2 Jan 1778 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 105] ; Married: Christian Jensen Alrum on 27 Nov 1802 in Øse [Øsse-Næsbjerg 1783-1814, Opslag 12]; Died: 18 May 1839 in the Fattighuset in Stadil [Stadil 1823-1851, Opslag 166]; Buried: 23 May 1839 in Stadil [Stadil 1823-1851, Opslag 166]
Gravers MADSEN - Bap: 1 Aug 1779 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 108]; Confirmed: 1794 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 232]
Peder MADZSEN - Bap: 20 Aug 1780 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 110]; Buried: 6 Nov 1780 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 270]
Peder MADSEN - Bap: 8 Jun 1788 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 142]
Lars MADSEN - Bap: 27 Nov 1791 in Vilslev [Vilslev-Hunderup 1727-1801, Opslag 155]

Please accept my sincere thanks for all the wonderful help you provided!

Regards,
Rick

[Judith Olsen]

Hi Rick

I hope, that you will find the death of Mads Graversen some day.

[Kaj Larsen]

Hej Judith

The death of Mads Graversen.
Ribe - Gørding - Vilslev-Hunderup 1801 - 1828
opslag 46 (1810) no.1.

Mvh.
Kaj Larsen

[Rick Larsen]

Hi,

I read this as the death of his Enke ("widow"), Mette Pedersdatter. I hope I did not make a mistake.

Regards,
Rick Larsen