Missing page from a church book.

[Kelli Wiuff]

Does anybody know what to do about a missing page in a church book?  I was looking for the birth of Jens Jørgensen Friis in the Egtved, Vejle 1838 1865 birth book.  Opslag 98 has the boys entries 4 - 13 for 1865. Opslag 99 has boys entires 25 - 35 for 1865.  I cannot find boys entires 14 - 24 for 1865 (which is where I would expect to find the birth entry for Jens Friis).  I've looked around this book and have not located it. I checked the girls section of 1865 and did not locate the missing page.

Does anybody know where this missing page might be or have any suggestions about what to do?

Thanks,
Kelli Wiuff

[Kim Melchior]

Hi.

If you have access to the military records, ten you may have a chance to find his birth date. Usually a boy was listed in the roll as soon as he was born with birth date, fathers name and residence,

Kim Melchior (USA)

[Kim Melchior]

Another possibility is that either his birth or christening date or maybe both  might be listed in connection with his confirmation when he is 14-15 years old.

Kim Melchior (USA)

[Kelli Wiuff]

I have his birth date from his marriage record, but I was hoping for the birth record to get his parents names.  I have not been able to find him with his family in any census records nor have I found any siblings.

Thanks for the suggestions.  How does one gain access to the military records?

Kelli Wiuff

[Verner Bentsen]

Hi Kelli

I'll see what I can do next week.

Mvh Verner

[Kim Melchior]

Hi

I realize I was wrong in my first reply. I did not catch that Jens Jørgensen Friis was born as late as 1865. In 1849, the law was changed: youngsters were not entered on the rolls until they'd been confirmed (age 14-15), so that option will not work in your case.

I did check through the 1870 Census for Egtved, and he was not there either.

My next suggestion would either be to try to get someone to do a lookup for you in the original records. There may be the possibility of getting someone to look at the original church record for Egtved at the archive in Viborg, all the pages should be there including the pages missed during the filming  of the record or if someone can check the military levying roll in Copenhagen for Jens during the years he would be included, namely age 14-38. For that to be done you need to list some information about where he can be found sometimes during those years, for example where and when he got married or where he was living when his children were born. I think that is what Verner Bentsen is offering to do in the previous entry.

Kim Melchior (USA)

[Kelli Wiuff]

Dear Verner Bentsen,

I do thank you for your offer of assistance.  It is greatly appreciated.

And

Thank you for that information Kim. 

Verner Bentsen had answered a previous post about trying to locate Jens Jørgensen Friis.  He was the one who provided me with the marriage record to my great great grandfathers daughter Anne Petersen Viuf.  He was also the one who located the birth and baptism records for their 4 children born in Denmark.  If interested that information is in the replies of the post "Request information about Jens J Friis"

I do appreciate all of the help this forum provides.

Sincerely,
Kelli Wiuff

[Verner Bentsen]

Hi Kelli

I have asked for help here:

http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/forum/index.php/topic,7791.0.html

I can't find Jens Jørgensen Friis in the church records i Cph.

I also tried to him in the military records in the parishes where the children were born, but no luck.

Mvh Verner

[Kelli Wiuff]

Many thanks Verner, I appreciate your help.

[Verner Bentsen]

Hi Keli

Here's what I have found for you.

In short form:
Viet 12 oct 1847
Jens Sørensen 32
Christine Hansdatter 24 (død jul. 1857)

Viet 7. nov. 1857
Jens Sørensen enkemand 42 (død 1862)
Bodil Paulsdatter 27

Viet 18 feb 1865
Rasmus Jørgensen 36 (birth and death unknown)
Bodil Paulsen enke 35 år (death unknown)
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I had to call the archive in Viborg to the have the birth of Jens Sørensen Friis. Good service!

Received by phone from Viborg:

Jens Jørgensen Friis f. 25. apr. 1865, Egtved Vejle.

Husmand Rasmus Jørgensen, Bindeballe, Randbøl sogn.
Hustru Bodil Paulsen 35 år, Work mark, Egtved sogn.

Faddere:
Gmd. Anders Paulsen, Work mark
Husmand Mikkel Markussen, Starup
Pige Marie Andersen, Work mark
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AO Egtved, Vejle 1856-1874 opslag 69
Viet 18. feb. 1865
Rasmus Jørgensen 36 år
Enke Bodil Paulsen 35 år
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AO Egtved Vejle 1829-1837 opslag 39
Født 10. mar. 1830 Bodil Poulsdatter
Forældre Poul Andersen Damsgaard og Margrethe Jensdatter
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From FS
EBBELINE MAGDALENE MAGRETHE JORGENSEN FRIIS   
Birth:     16 JUN 1868      
Christening:     30 AUG 1868      Laeborg, Ribe, Denmark (Læborg)
Death:     12 JUL 1873      
Parents:
    Father:     RASMUS JORGENSEN
    Mother:     BODIL POULSDR    
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AO FT 1870 Læborg Ribe opslag 20
Bodild Poulsdatter, 39, Egtved
Poul Damgaard Jensen, 11, Bredsten
Jens Jørgensen Friis, 4, Egtved
Ebeline Magdalene Margrethe Jørgensen Friis, 1, Læborg

opslag 21
Rasmus Jørgensen Friis, 40, Odense (not present in Læborg)
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Vejle, Tørrild, Lindeballe, Gjødsbøl, Hus, 8, FT-1860, C9799
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:   Fødested:
Jens Sørensen         44    Gift   Svinhusmand Husfader   Houer Vejle Amt
Bodil Poulsdatter      36    Gift   Kone   Egtved Sogn Vejle Amt
Hans Jensen         8    Ugift   Søn      Bredsten Sogn Vejle Amt (mother Christine Hansdatter)
Karl Jensen         6    Ugift   Søn      Bredsten Sogn Vejle Amt (mother Christine Hansdatter)
Poul Damgaard Jensen   2    Ugift   Søn      Bredsten Sogn Vejle Amt (mother Bodil Poulsdatter)
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AO Egtved Vejle 1856-1874 opslag 62
Viet 7. nov. 1857
Jens Sørensen enkemand
Bodil Poulsdatter
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AO Bredsten Vejle 1841-1869 opslag 41
Født 12 okt. 1858 Paul Damgaard Jensen
Husmand Jens Sørensen og hustru Bodil Poulsdatter.
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AO Hover, Vejle 1814-1826 opslag 2
Født 21 nov. 1815 Jens Sørensen
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AO Lindballe Vejle 1859-1892 opslag 3
Død 12 jul 1862 Jens Sørensen, 47 år
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AO Bredsten Vejle 1841-1869 opslag 193
Viet 12 oct 1847
Jens Sørensen 32
Christine Hansdatter 23
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AO Bredsten, Vejle1841-1869 opslag 372
Død 9. jul 1857 Christine Hansdatter 33 år  (hmd Jens Sørensens hustru)
Moder til Hans Jensen og Karl Jensen, født i Bredsten 1854 og 1856 (se FT 1860 Lindeballe)
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I hope all infos are correct and that you know the meaning of the Danish words.

Mvh Verner

[Kelli Wiuff]

Hello Verner,

Thank you very very much.  It is amazing and wonderful that you have found so much information.  You have really helped me.  I appreciate all that you have done.

I have a list of words to reference, so I think I will do okay with the Danish.

Kelli Wiuff

[Verner Bentsen]

AO Læborg, Ribe 1861-1890 opslag 148
Død 3 maj 1877
Rasmus Jørgensen, gift, født i Odense, 48 år. (that means born abt. 1829)

This could be Bodil Poulsdatter's husband

Mvh Verner

[Kelli Wiuff]

Verner,

Thank you very much for all your help.

Kelli Wiuff

[Verner Bentsen]

Kelli, a little more to the story:

AO Sct Hans Odense 1818-1830 opslag 23
Født 22 apr 1829 Rasmus Jørgensen.
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AO Orte Odense 1813-1845 opslag 257 # 290
Konfirmeret 23 apr 1843 Rasmus Jørgensen f. Odense 22 apr 1929
Vacc. 3 aug. 1832 Buchholtz
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AO Randbøl Vejle 1841-1875 TA (next entries all refer to this)
Ank=arrival; Afg=departure.

Opslag 11 # 14 1847
Ank. 17 apr 1847 fra Orte Rasmus Sørensen 18 år. Vacc. 3 aug 32 Buchholtz
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Opslag 64 # 30 1851
Afg. 3 nov 1851 Rasmus Jørgensen 22 år til Ouregaard Fyn.
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Opslag 18 # 1 1852
Ank. 1 jan 1852 Rasmus Jørgensen return from Fyn
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Opslag 37 # 43 1863
Ank. 22 nov 1863 Bodil Poulsdatter 33 år fra Lindballe
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Opslag 85 # 1 1865
Afg. Bodil Poulsdatter 35 år til Egtved.
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Opslag 38 # 11 1865
Ank. 16 jun 1865 Rasmus Jørgensen 36 år og hustru Bodil Poulsdatter 35 år.
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Opslag 87 # 9 1866
Afg. Rasmus Jørgensen 37 år til LÆBORG

Mvh Verner

[Kelli Wiuff]

 

Many thanks Verner.  I appreciate that you took the time to look up the travels of this family.