Need help locating death records

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I am trying to find out what happened to my great grandparents in Denmark and after searching for 2 years I just cannot seem to locate them.

This is what I know:
My great grandfather was Niels Jensen Rosenlund who was born on 6 Nov 1868 in Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, Denmark.  He was baptized on 10 Jan 1869 also in Klakring.  In the 1880 Census he and his family are in Klakring.  He was confirmed on 1 Apr 1883 in Klakring.  On 27 July 1900 he married my great grandmother Anna Karen Marie Andersen in Klakring.  I also know that he owned 3 farms in Egebjerg, Agernæs and Otterup.  I know he was alive in 1924 since my grandfather, Aage Rosenlund Jensen, lists his father Niels Jensen Rosenlund as his next of kin on a ship manifest.

My great grandmother was Anna Karen Marie Andersen and she was born on 6 Dec 1877 in Oppe Sundby, Frederiksborg, Denmark.  She was baptized on 26 Mar 1878 in Oppe Sundby.  In the 1880 Census she and her family are in Oppe Sundby.  In the 1890 Census she and her family are living in Bjergsted, Skippinge, Holbaek, Denmark.  She was confirmed on 5 Apr 1891 in Bjergsted.

The last time I see either of these two people is two years after they were married when their youngest child is born in Klakring, Denmark. 

Both my grandfather, Aage Rosenlund Jensen (1901), and his sister, Alice Sofie Rosenlund Jensen (1902), were born in Klakring, Vejle, Denmark and then the entire family disappears so I do not know if there were more children from the marriage.  I cannot locate them in any Census records yet I know that all but my grandfather, who left in 1924 to come to Canada, stayed in Denmark.

Alice Sofie Rosenlund Jensen married Ejler Madsen 27 July 1925 in Juelsminde, Vejle, Denmark.  They had two children together: Nels Peter Rosenlund Madsen (1926) and Anna Lise Rosenlund Madsen (1928).  Both of these children were born in Klakring.  The Klakring parish record for Nels Peter Rosenlund Madsen shows the witnesses as Niels Jensen and his wife Anna Karen Marie formerly Andersen.  The Klakring parish record for Anna Lise Rosenlund Madsen shows the witnesses as follows: Klakring Niels Jensen and his wife Anna Jensen and later my grandfather unmarried Aage Rosenland, Canada.

The only other clue I have, which is likely a longshot, is that my father, Nels de Bodt Rosenland, insists that his grandfather Niels Jensen Rosenlund was in the Danish Royal Guards.  I have written to the Danish Royal Life Guards and they have no record of his membership but my dad insists he has seen a photo of his grandfather on a horse and his mother told him that the person in the photo was his grandfather and he was in the Royal Guards.  His mother also told him that his dad (Aage Rosenlund Jensen) was kicked out of Denmark for whistling at the Danish Princess which I do not believe is true.

I have searched the DDD Census records using any number of different variations of the names without luck.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

Hi Rebecca,

If you look at
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/index.php
you can see which how far the digitalization has come for the area you are interested in.
exampel Vejle 1901 gives you this map;
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/kort/vejl1901.gif
Here you can see that Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle has not been digitalized. So you have to look in the original cencus at SA
http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/ao-forside/find_folketallinger

I have found the Family here;

FT 1906 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, opslag 43 (at the top)
FT 1911 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, opslag 113 (almost at the bottom).

So they are staying in Klakring after 1902.

Med venlig hilsen

Jan

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you so much!  I have followed your instructions and have located them and cannot wait to continue searching!

[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

Hi again,

They still lives in Klakring i 1930 (FT 1930, opslag 26)

And I found Niels Jensen dead in Klakring, 1952

KB 1952-1961 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, opslag 113 (no. 5)

where Anna still lives. Could not find any dead record up to 1961 on Anna.

I will go to bed now. Good search.

mvh

Jan

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hi again,

They still lives in Klakring i 1930 (FT 1930, opslag 26)

And I found Niels Jensen dead in Klakring, 1952

KB 1952-1961 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, opslag 113 (no. 5)

where Anna still lives. Could not find any dead record up to 1961 on Anna.

I will go to bed now. Good search.

mvh

Jan

Thank you again!  I will be up late tonight I am sure.  My dad will be so happy to know all of this as he does not really know much about his family past his parents.

[Henrik Krohn]

The only other clue I have, which is likely a longshot, is that my father, Nels de Bodt Rosenland, insists that his grandfather Niels Jensen Rosenlund was in the Danish Royal Guards.  I have written to the Danish Royal Life Guards and they have no record of his membership but my dad insists he has seen a photo of his grandfather on a horse and his mother told him that the person in the photo was his grandfather and he was in the Royal Guards.  His mother also told him that his dad (Aage Rosenlund Jensen) was kicked out of Denmark for whistling at the Danish Princess which I do not believe is true.

About the Danish Royal Guard.

Livgarden http://forsvaret.dk/lg/Pages/default.aspx would be the first I think of, when you say Danish Royal Guard, but they are not mounted.

On the other hand, Garderhusarregimentet http://forsvaret.dk/ghr/Pages/default.aspx are mounted and are the ones that escorts the royal family around Copenhagen. Pictures https://www.google.dk/search?q=garderhusar&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hjukUu7rGqPk4wSLiIDwDQ&ved=0CD8QsAQ&biw=2133&bih=1097&dpr=0.9

Onlines arkives here http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/daisy/arkivskabers_arkivserier?a=&b=&c=gardehusar&d=1&e=2013&f=&g=&h=&ngid=1240616&ngnid=2534692&heid=&henid=&epid=&faid=&meid=&m2rid=&side=1&sort=1&dir=a&gsc=&int=&ep=&es=&ed=

regards

Henrik Krohn

[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

Hi Rebecca,

I am glad that I would help.

I noticed at mistake in my info to you yesterday;

They still lives in Klakring i 1930 (FT 1930, opslag 26)

This should have been;

They still lives in Klakring i 1925 (FT 1925, opslag 26)

Because you wrote, at he should be alive in 1924 because of the ship manifest, so I took the next census. After that I started to look in the church book.

mvh

Jan

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you Henrik!

I have looked on Daisy but there are so many Niels Jensen records that I didn't know where to begin.  If I understand the website correctly you need to order the record in order to know all of the details.  My Danish is very limited so I tried other avenues to find my great grandfather and whether he was, or was not, in the Danish Royal Guards.

It was indeed a person on a horse that my dad remembers but wouldn't it be odd for someone who already owns three farms to also be a protector of the Royal Family?

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you Jan.  I was so busy looking through Census records last night, for prior years, that I hadn't made my way to the 1930 records so thank you for letting me know it was actually 1925.

I looked all the way to 1973 for my great grandmother and still could not locate a death record for her in Klakring.  While it is not impossible that she lived past the age of 96, given that there are so many family members that seem to have lived for a very long time, I wonder if she maybe went to live with her daughter Alice Sofie Rosenlund Jensen after her husband died.

And what would have come of all of the farms my great grandfather owned?  His only son pre-deceased him so there was only his daughter and her husband.  I have found no records that they took over the farms as my Great Aunt's husband, Ejler Madsen, was what appears to be a Bail Bondsman (Boelsmand).

I also wondered what the significance is of 'Rosenlund' in my grandfather's name?  My great grandfather was always listed in the parish records as 'Niels Jensen i Rosenlund' and his father and grandfather were all 'i Falster.'

My grandfather kept the 'Rosenlund' as a last name when he came to Canada but it changed somewhere along the line to Rosenland.

[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

Hi Rebecca,

If you take a look at Niels Peter Rosenlund Madsens confirmation
KB 1926-1951 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, opslag 86 (no. 4 at the bottom)
Then you see that Ejler Madsen is a farmer and he lives in Rosenlund, Klakring.

It lookes like that Niels Jensen had a farm called Rosenlund, which Ejler overtook when Niels was to old to Work (or retired).
And this may be where the name Rosenlund comes from.

I think I have located the farm (see the Picture).


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[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

A closer look at the Picture is here.

If Ejler got the farm after Niels, then Anna would have stayed there, so she must have died in Klakring.
Except if they have sold the farm later on.


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[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you again!  That makes a lot of sense.  When Ejler Madsen married Alice Sofie Rosenlund Jensen he is listed as a Boelsmand (Bailiff?) and also has this occupation when his two children are born but, you are correct, in later records he is a Farmer and in the 1930 Census he is a Farm Owner so that is most likely what happened.

In my earlier research I located a Rosenlund Dairy Farm still in existence but it is in Jutland so I thought there was no relationship to my family and their farm because it was not near Vejle.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I found my great grandfather in the 1901 Census in Klakring but I am having trouble translating it.  Does it say his occupation is 'Investor in farms?' [Gaardejer ved Agerbrug]

Hmm, I don't know how to attach the picture.

It is Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle FT 1901 opslag 178 and 179.

[Jan Hedegaard Skov]

Hi,

The text "Gaardejer ved agerbrug" means; owner [ejer] of a agriculture [jordbrug] farm [gaard].

And on page [opslag] 178 you also see that the farms name [Gaardens navn] is Rosenlund.

There are a lot of Places and farms which is called Rosenlund (or it supriced me of the number).


I can not see anything that indicates that he had more than this farm. Sorry. He is born in Klakring lives in Klakring and dies in Klakring.
In the census for 1916 they should note their income. What was his income? It should be well over the other farmers if he had three farms, right?

you can attach files with the "+" just under the message-box (I guess that next to the "+" is written; other functions/øvrige funktioner)

But it is ok with your reference. I prefer that (because, then I can look at some of the other sides as well if I have me doubts about what is written.

Have a nice day.
Jan

[Henrik Krohn]

Just to clarified.  We have 2 different guards for Queen Margrethe 2. Like Queen Elisabeth 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Guard there are an infantry guard and a mounted guard.

The infantry guard is in danish "Den Kongelige Livgarde"

The mounted guard is in danish "Gardehusarregimentet"

I think they have seperate archives.

It was indeed a person on a horse that my dad remembers but wouldn't it be odd for someone who already owns three farms to also be a protector of the Royal Family?

No, we have had conscription in denmark, from before the wikings. You can read more about who was drafted here: http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/mest_brugte_arkivalier/sadan_bruger_du_de_mest_brugte_arkivalier/lagdsruller_-_en_vejledning

regards
Henrik Krohn

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Rebecca,

Re: Niels Jensen owning three farms.

I found the family at the farm Rosenlund in AO, Folketællinger, 1916, Landsogn, Klakring, opslag 48, at the bottom.

Niels Jensen's yearly income was 2500, his property 16000 Danish kroner.

When comparing that to my own ancestor, who owned a farm back in 1916, I think there are no indications that Niels Jensen owned three farms. My ancestor's income was 1800, his property 15000 Danish kroner in 1916.

Of course, you can also refer to other farm owners (Gaardejer) in Klakring parish in the 1916 census.

As for the military career of Niels Jensen, the levying rolls (Lægdsruller) are being digitized and should be available on ArkivalierOnline some time next year, so you'll be able to see which military unit Niels Jensen was assigned to.

Maybe you'll find this website helpful: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Denmark

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

PS: Boelsmand is a farmer, who has a place smaller than a Gaard.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thank you all for your help!

I did locate the income and I believe the information about Niels Jensen owning three farms must not be correct.

I look forward to the digitized records for the Levying rolls to be made available for search.  I would like to sort out this information about my great grandfather being a 'Gardehusarregimentet' as my father seems particularly attached to this piece of apparent family history.  For all I know it could have been a photo of a relative dressed in Royal Guard uniform sitting on a horse and nobody related to me at all and my grandmother made a story up about it.

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Rebecca,

Good news. Many of the levying rolls are accessible as from today at
http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/mest_brugte_arkivalier/sadan_bruger_du_de_mest_brugte_arkivalier/lagdsruller_-_en_vejledning - Indscannede lægdsruller fra hele landet.

With the help of the parish list http://www.sa.dk/media%284904,1030%29/Sogneoversigt%2C_l%C3%A6gdsruller.pdf
I managed to find Niels Jensen in the levying roll 1886 (the year he turned 18):

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#19648,1537907

As I read it, he served in the 12th battalion from 31 March 1891 to 3 Oct. 1891.

I'm still learning how to use the levying rolls. Maybe somebody else is able to find him in 1891 using the reference in his record.

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Hi Rebecca,

Good news. Many of the levying rolls are accessible as from today at
http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/mest_brugte_arkivalier/sadan_bruger_du_de_mest_brugte_arkivalier/lagdsruller_-_en_vejledning - Indscannede lægdsruller fra hele landet.

With the help of the parish list http://www.sa.dk/media%284904,1030%29/Sogneoversigt%2C_l%C3%A6gdsruller.pdf
I managed to find Niels Jensen in the levying roll 1886 (the year he turned 18):

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#19648,1537907

As I read it, he served in the 12th battalion from 31 March 1891 to 3 Oct. 1891.

I'm still learning how to use the levying rolls. Maybe somebody else is able to find him in 1891 using the reference in his record.

Best regards,
Inger T.

Inger I cannot thank you enough for finding this!  My dad is 75 years old and lost both of his parents, here in Canada, at a young age so he only knows little bits and pieces about his family back in Denmark.  The one thing he has always insisted upon is that his grandfather was the man in uniform on the horse.  That treasured photo has somehow been lost so I hope to be able to somehow locate a copy now that you have found Niels Jensen.

I am truly amazed!

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Rebecca,

In the levying rolls I found this about Niels Jensen 1897:

http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#19651,1538767

1891 Sold.
It seems that he was a soldier in the year 1891 in the 12th batallion, which to my knowledge is an infantry batallion,
the official name being Kongens Jyske Fodregiment (7. Regiment), 12. Bataljon.

Utdpas 10/97
In 1897 he's registered with Unable to serve pass (Udtpas = Utjenstdygtighedspas).

I couldn't locate him in the levying rolls 1891 - maybe you should make a separate posting about this.

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Thanks again Inger.

I will look in the records for the levying rolls to see if I can somehow find my great grandfather.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I continued searching the levying rolls and found my grandfather in them as well!

Aage Rosenland born 15 May 1901 his father is Niels Jensen of Rosenlund.
http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#19735,1573285

Page 46

I can't read what it says in his record to translate.  Is anyone able to translate that for me?  I had no idea my grandfather was in the military in Denmark.

Inger, I looked in the 1891 levying rolls and could not locate Niels Jensen either.

[Helmer Christiansen]

Af Krigsm.[inisteriet] medd.[elt] uds.[ættelse] med Genindk.[aldelse] indtil han slettes af Rullen,
paa betingelse af, at saafremt han inden dette Tidspunkt
tager fast Oph.[old] her i Landet, melder sig til sin Afd[e]l[in]g.

The War Department had announced suspension of reconvening until he was removed from the roll, on condition that he if he within this time take up permanent residence in this country, must report to his detachment.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

Af Krigsm.[inisteriet] medd.[elt] uds.[ættelse] med Genindk.[aldelse] indtil han slettes af Rullen,
paa betingelse af, at saafremt han inden dette Tidspunkt
tager fast Oph.[old] her i Landet, melder sig til sin Afd[e]l[in]g.

The War Department had announced suspension of reconvening until he was removed from the roll, on condition that he if he within this time take up permanent residence in this country, must report to his detachment.

That seems strange, yes?  I'm not sure I understand what that even means.  It appears he registered in 1919 and was on the roll in 1921 and 1922 and I can't quite make out what military area he was in (it looks like 3 Drg Rgmt).  Maybe the story about him being kicked out of Denmark for whistling at the Royal Princess was true afterall. 

I know he emigrated to Canada in July 1924 so maybe he got into some kind of trouble and had to leave the country?

[Helmer Christiansen]

Basically it says that he is given an exemption from military service as long as he doesn't have a permanent residence in Denmark.

3 Drg Rgmt = 3. Dragon Regiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jydske_Dragonregiment

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Rebecca,

The levying roll you found is from 1929, i.e. after Aage's emigration and name change. I couldnt find him in the levying roll 1919 - maybe he was staying in another parish at the time.

I think that the absence of references to older and newer records in these levying rolls from the the central authorities is a big problem. You can see such a reference in http://www.sa.dk/media(755,1030)/LAK-L%C3%A6gdsforkortelser.pdf - page 3. The levying rolls from the local authorities in Jutland have not been digitized yet.

Could it be that the man in uniform on the horse was Aage? At least he was in the cavalry. The name of the regiment was 3. Dragonregiment from 1865 to 1932.

http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jydske_Dragonregiment

http://forsvaret.dk/JDR/Om%20Jydske%20Dragonregiment/Jydske%20Dragonregiments%20Historie/Pages/default.aspx

Historical pictures:
http://forsvaret.dk/JDR/Om%20Jydske%20Dragonregiment/Jydske%20Dragonregiments%20Historie/Historiske%20Billeder/Pages/default.aspx

The barracks of 3. Dragonregiment at Vester Allé in Aarhus:
http://aarhuswiki.dk/wiki/Vester_All%C3%A9_Kaserne

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

When I looked at the 1929 roll (1919, R, Omskrevet 1929), with the name change and his exemption from service, it appears that in the right hand column it notes that he served 15 Apr 1921 to 4 Oct 1921 and again from 8 Oct 1922 to 30 Oct 1923.  In July 1924 he emigrated to Canada and by his naturalization in 1931 he is using the name Arthur Rosenland.

I will keep looking in the 1921 and 1922 rolls to see if I can find him.  The last time I see Aage in the Census living in Klakring Parish is the year 1916 when he was 15 years old.  I think it is possible that he was in another parish at the time he became a member of the military in 1919.

And, yes, I think it is possible that the photo was actually of my grandfather Aage and not Niels Jensen.  It is too bad that this photo was lost somehow because if my dad and auntie were able to look at it again they might recognize the man as their father.  They have only one photo of their dad and it was on his honeymoon with their mother back in June 1937.

[Alex Johannes Rosenlund Madsen]

Family in Denmark!
Dear Rebecca,
I am Alex Johannes Rosenlund Madsen, son of Niels Peter Rosenlund Madsen, the family you have been searching for. Sadly my dad passed away 29th December. My mom received your letter, and I have been trying to contact you by Email, but it keeps bouncing back. We found your Facebook profile, and send you a message there. And with a Google search I found your messages on this board. Can you pls. send me the correct Email, the we can exchange more information directly.
Best regards,
Alex

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

I am following up on the Danish Royal Life Guards photo that has been lost in our family somewhere.

My late father, who died in 2014 not having this photo restored, insists that his grandfather, Niels Jensen Rosenlund (born 6 Nov 1868 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, Denmark) was in a photo of the Danish Royal Guards wearing full regalia.  My auntie, Anna Lise, also remembers this photo and being told it was her grandfather (my great grandfather).  Now, it seems that Niels Jensen Rosenlund might have been in the infantry and, therefore, not on horse but when I reunited with my Denmark family they also say that Niels Jensen Rosenlund was in the Danish Royal Guards.  Niels Jensen was 6'2".

My grandfather, Åge (Arthur) Rosenlund Jensen (born 15 May 1901 Klakring, Bjerre, Vejle, Denmark) was also in the military and in calvary.  My late father also said that there was a story that Åge was kicked out of Denmark for whistling at the Danish princess and it makes me wonder if he was close enough to the Danish Royal family to whistle at the princess that maybe *he* was the one in the mysterious family photo.  Åge was about 5'6".

Here is the link to Niels Jensen's military: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16480943#19648,1537907

I have tried to attach photos of Åge's military documents but it says they are too large.  I tried one at a time and it still says they are too large.

The response I received from the Danish Guards museum:

I am very sorry, but the Life Guards Museum doesn't have any information regarding Niels Jensen Rosenlund. He would probably have served in the Guards around 1885-1887. The regiments archives for that period is to be found in the National Archives in Copenhagen. I hereby give you the link:
AND

Aage Rosenlund Jensen has apparently not being serving in The Royal Life Guards, so I can´t unfortunately be to much help. But I can see, in the scanned records, that he has served in The Dragon Regiment, another Danish cavalry regiment. You might therefore contact the Dragon Museum? You can find contact information here:  http://dragonmuseum.dk/kontakt.html]http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/daisy/arkivskaber_eller_arkivserie_liste?c=livgarden&d=1&e=2013[url][/i]AND[i]Aage%20Rosenlund%20Jensen%20has%20apparently%20not%20being%20serving%20in%20The%20Royal%20Life%20Guards,%20so%20I%20can´t%20unfortunately%20be%20to%20much%20help.%20But%20I%20can%20see,%20in%20the%20scanned%20records,%20that%20he%20has%20served%20in%20The%20Dragon%20Regiment,%20another%20Danish%20cavalry%20regiment.%20You%20might%20therefore%20contact%20the%20Dragon%20Museum?%20You%20can%20find%20contact%20information%20here: %20[url]http://dragonmuseum.dk/kontakt.html

I contacted these offices and continued searching and still came up blank.  Any ideas?

[Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland]

And my grandfather is here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16480943#19735,1573285