Birth of Gerda Maria Magdalena (Aug 14 1913)

[Gitte Johansen]

http://eba.esbjergkommune.dk/Esbjergs%20historie/Borgere/Esbjerg%20Borgerdatabase%201909/Detaljeside.aspx?qid=5276

Fornavne      :     Peter Marinus Kirstein
Efternavn      :     Bertelsen
Køn      :     M
Fødselsdag      :     28-05-1884
Fødested      :     Esbjerg
Skattenummer      :     02541
Stilling      :     Tømrermester
Gade      :     Danmarksgade
Husnummer      :     96
Matrikelnummer      :     
Status i husstand      :     Mand
  :     C1471
Ejer af bopæl      :     Tømrer Jensen, visevært
Arbejdsgiversnavn og bopæl      :     
Dato for bosættelse i Esbjerg      :     
Tidligere bosættelse      :     
Hvornår er oplysningerne optaget      :     04-12-1909
Bemærkninger      :     
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[Inge Nissen]

This Peter Marinus Kirstein Bertelsen is probably here in Jerne Parish 1890:

Ribe, Skast, Jerne, Smed Bertelsens hus, FT 1890:

Niels V. Bertelsen, 49, gift, husfader, smed, født i Fjendeslev
Anne Bertelsen, 39, husmoder, født i Høysel

One of the children:

Peder Marinus Bertelsen, 6, født i Esbjerg.

Vh. Inge

[Gitte Johansen]

Fornavne      :     Olga Anna Dagmar
Efternavn      :     Bertelsen
Køn      :     K
Fødselsdag      :     21-11-1883
Fødested      :     Randers
Stilling      :     
Gade      :     Nygaardsvej
Husnummer      :     43
Status i husstand      :     Hustru
 :     D1960
Ejer af bopæl      :     Frandsen
Årlig husleje      :     0
Arbejdsgiversnavn og bopæl      :     
Dato for bosættelse i Esbjerg      :     01-05-1900
Tidligere bosættelse      :     Aarhus
Hvornår er oplysningerne optaget      :     22-11-1914
Bemærkninger      :     

His Wife in 1914!!


Fornavne      :     Peter Marinus Kirstein
Efternavn      :     Bertelsen
Køn      :     M
Fødselsdag      :     28-05-1884
Fødested      :     Esbjerg
Stilling      :     Tømrer
Gade      :     Nygaardsvej
Husnummer      :     43
Status i husstand      :     Mand
 :     D1960
Ejer af bopæl      :     Frandsen
Årlig husleje      :     360
Arbejdsgiversnavn og bopæl      :     Selvstændig
Dato for bosættelse i Esbjerg      :     1904
Tidligere bosættelse      :     Hellerup
Hvornår er oplysningerne optaget      :     22-11-1914
Bemærkninger      :     




And a child born 1906.

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Eva, Inge, Gitte og Inger,

En million tak for din interesse.  I also have become obsessed with helping Virginia find her father.  Marinus Bertelsen seems like the most likely candidate.  Ninus mentions that he was in Esbjerg the year before he wrote the letter.  What a wonderful hunt.

Med venlig danske-amerikanske hilsener
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Here is the transcription of a letter, apparently from Ninus's mother, to Hilda.  Does it give a clue?

Østersundby

Kære Hilda



Vi ser i deres Brev nede hos Christians at i har bekommen eder en lille Pige som vi ønsker tillykke med, og nu sender vi dem tilligemed dette Brev 5 Kroner i Barselsgave, vi er bekymret over Ninus vi mente nu han var faldet til stilhed og ikke turede mere, det var også nok bedre om ham kunne foe en fast Plads paa et værksted thi dette Reisi omkring er meget farlig der skal en stærk Karater til for at holde sig især for ham der har bekænder i enhver Krog, og det gør os meget ondt for dem og di smaa at i skal lide ondt, vi frygter for at en ting er tilstødt ham da di ingen ting hører fra ham under disse omstens.
Lad os nu høre hvordan det gaar di kan dristig skrive til os som om vi var gamle bekænder thi vi føler med dem. Hilsen fra Christian han kan ikke reise nogensteder thi hans tid er så meget besat det vil tage flere dage for ham og det kan han ikke. Er det mulig for dem da overtal Ninus til at give sig til at arbeide saa dette Reiseliv kunne foe ende stakkelse Ninus det gør mig saa inderlig for ham at han ikke kan styre sig selv og boe et stille Liv nu haaber vi snart at høre fra dem, dermed en venlig hilsen fra Ninuses Forældre.

I only wish the mother had signed it with her name rather than Ninuses Forældre.  The two letters from Ninus and this one are the only ones that Gerda saved.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Gitte Johansen]

Østersundby = Nørre Tranders, Ålborg

= ca. 10 Ninus

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Mange tak Gitte.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

How can I attach a JPEG image.  Virginia sent me pictures of Hilda, John Ivar, and Gerda that we would like to share with all those who have found and shared information about them.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Homer Ficken]

How can I attach a JPEG image.  Virginia sent me pictures of Hilda, John Ivar, and Gerda that we would like to share with all those who have found and shared information about them.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

When you reply click on Øvrige funktioner and then Browse to find and upload your image.

Only one image can be posted each reply of maximum 500 KB size, but if small enough you may be able to scan them as a group.

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Thanks Homer.

Sincerely,
Paul

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hi everyone,

You have been such a great help in tracing Hilda, John Ivar, and Gerda Svensson.  Virginia sent me pictures of them and I wanted to share them with you to give a face to the names.  I am doing it in two posts since the size of the image is to great for one post.  Once again, thank you.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

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[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

And now the second image.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

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[Eva Morfiadakis]

Paul,

I looked at Chr. Marinus Petersen living in Overgade 29 in FT 1911. It is said he was born on 5 Sep. 1889 in Holstebro. Probably something is wrong about it since I can't find him there. ?

I have been trying to analyse the mother's letter and must say I am not sure whether Christian and Ninus are two different people.

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Eva,

I also looked for Chr. Marinus Petersen in the Holstebro records (both births and confirmations) and couldn't find him.  I suspect that he is Gerda's father.  He was living at Overgade 29 in 1911 and Gerda was living there in 1912 when she got pregnant.  Hopefully someone will look up the records in either Århus or Odense and find that Hilda sued him for child support.

Thanks so much for all you help and interest.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[John Wrenholt]

This is probably a coincidence but this person has the same birth date:

Aalborg, Gislum, Vognsild, Vognsild, , et Hus, 9, FT-1890
Hans Justesen   52   Gift   Husfader   Husmand   Tøndering Viborg Amt
Ane Marie Justesen   38   Gift   Husmoder      Ullits Aalborg Amt
Lone Marie Justesen   10   Ugift   datter      Vognsild, Aalborg Amt
An Kjerstine Justesen   7   Ugift   datter      Vognsild, Aalborg Amt
Marie Justesen   3   Ugift   datter      Vognsild, Aalborg Amt
Kristian Marinus Pedersen   *f. 5.sept.1889   Ugift   Plejesøn      Hørby Aalborg Amt

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej John,

Same name, same birthdate, different place.  I don't think this is a coincidence but the Chr. Marinus Petersen from the 1911 census.  Mange tak.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Inger Toudal]

As I read the letter to Hilda from Ninus' parents, Ninus and Christian are two different persons. Hilda has apparently written a letter to Christian.

"We see in your letter down at Christian's that you (plural = Hilda and Ninus) have had a little daughter...

Greetings from Christian, he cannot travel anywhere, as he is very occupied. It would take him several days, and he is not able to do it..."

Obviously neither the parents, nor Hilda has heard from Ninus recently:

"We fear that someting has happened to him (= Ninus), as you don't hear from him under these circumstances."

Ninus is travelling around, obviously not willing to settle and get a permanent job.

Christian could be his brother or brother-in-law, he seems to have a family of his own.

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Gitte Johansen]

Aalborg, Fleskum, Nørre Tranders, Øster Sundby, Nørre Tranders Sogn, 14a, 139, FT-1916, C7865
Navn:   Alder:   Civilstand:   Stilling i husstanden:   Erhverv:   Fødested:
Christian Nielsen   5-9-1870   Gift   Husfader   Gaardejer   
Ane Marie Nielsen   24-1-1870   Gift   Husmoder      
Johanne Nielsen   5-9-19-1897   Ugift   Barn      
Kathrine Nielsen   5-4-1899   Ugift   Barn      
Dreng   7-12-1905   Ugift   Barn      
Johanne Hansen   31-2-1902   Ugift   Tjenestepige      
Christian Andersen   12-10-1874   Ugift   Tjenestekarl      

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Mange tak Inger og Gitte.  Now to look at the birth of Christian's children and see if Ninus was a witness at any of them.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

The one in Hørby was born to an unmarried woman Abelone Pedersen (image 20 - 1886-1892). He was born Kristiansen. His father was Peter Kristiansen lived in Hobro. Resembles Holstebro.

I wonder if it is Abelone who writes the letter or if it is a fostermother?

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Eva,

Kristian Marinus Pedersen was born 5 Sep 1889 to the unmarried Karen Marie Pedersen and the alleged father Jens Nielsen, opslag 25 nr 21.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

Michael Christian Nielsen's mother  Johanne Rasmussen was 43 in 1870 (image 5 - 1870-1892) She would be 86-87 years when writing the letter. It seems to me that the letter was written by a younger woman.

Eva M

[Eva Morfiadakis]

Paul,

If you look at image 20 there is Kristian Marinus Kristiansen born on 5 Sep. 1888. He is the one I happened to find. I didn't notice it was the wrong year.

I think the two are cousins. Their mothers are sisters.

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

hej Eva,

I did look at image 20 but think that the one in image 25 is the one we are looking for.  If genealogy was easy it would not be fun.  And the search goes on.  I am now trying to trace Virginia's father's Danish roots.  But that is for another post.

Med venlig hilsen og mange tak til dig
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2460766&searchname=polit_simple

Look at this!

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Eva,

Very interesting since Munkebo is very close to Odense and we know that Ninus was there in April 1914.  Now to look at the Munkebo records for his marriage and whatever that tells us about him.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

He had a son Regner Helmar P. in Skt Stefans 1915 (image 23). It is said he had a civil marriage in 1914 (20/6) in Frederiksberg. The document is not on-line.

Eva M

[Eva Morfiadakis]

In FT 1921 Bragegade (image 24) he is living with his son and housekeeper Karen Olsen. It is said he came from Odense in 1912.

Eva M

[Paul Løndahl-Smidt]

Hej Eva,

What a great job you have done for Virginia.  I really think that this is Gerda's father and we have finally followed him in time until he left København.  Virginia is overjoyed as are her sisters.  Now to find the birth of her father in Denmark, but I will put a seperate post.

Med venlig hilsen
Paul

[Eva Morfiadakis]

I think Aage Johansen was born in Kjødstrup in 1908 approximately. He went with his family to Nebraska.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Ftif2gif%2Eexe%3FT%3D%5C%5C%5C%5C192%2E168%2E100%2E11%5C%5Cimages%5C%5CT715%2D3389%5C%5CT715%2D33890286%2ETIF%26S%3D%2E5&pID=601556020096&name=Aage%26nbsp%3BJohansen&doa=Oct+09%2C+1923&port=Copenhagen&line=0016

I was looking for Hilda Swanson who died in 1963. By the way her sister Ida also went to the US.
I don't think there are any descendents of Hilda's siblings.

Eva M

Sorry I don't know if he was born in Kjødstrup. It was their last residence in Denmark. It should prbably be Kølstrup.