Help with death record

Startet af Homer Ficken, 27 Apr 2013 - 20:10

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Homer Ficken

Can someone read and translate first part of this death record's details? 

It lists birthplace and father, and he's listed as married, but his wife is not named?

What is noted in the last column?

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Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
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Inger Toudal


Almisselem paa Hvidb. Fattig-
gaard, gift og født i Skjoldborg.
Faderen Peder Schadholm.
72 1/4 Aar. Alderdomssvaghed.


Pauper at Hvidbjerg poorhuse,
married and born in Skjoldborg.
Father Peder Schadholm.
72 1/4 y. Weakness from old age.

Best regards,
Inger T.
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Inger Toudal

Inger Toudal


Which parish register is the burial record from? I found Mikkel Pedersen Møller's death recorded in Hvidbjerg, Morsø Sønder, Thisted 1850-1887, opslag 187, but it's not identical to your clip. I got suspicious because of the number 0 in the leftmost column in your clip, which usually means that the event (in this case the death) didn't take place in the parish in question.

Best regards,
Inger T.
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

Homer Ficken

Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 27 Apr 2013 - 21:20

Which parish register is the burial record from? I found Mikkel Pedersen Møller's death recorded in Hvidbjerg, Morsø Sønder, Thisted 1850-1887, opslag 187, but it's not identical to your clip. I got suspicious because of the number 0 in the leftmost column in your clip, which usually means that the event (in this case the death) didn't take place in the parish in question.

Best regards,
Inger T.

Thanks Inger.  The one I found is Karby 1863-1882 opslag 119, and maybe Hvidbjerg is what's written in last column?
Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
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Inge-Lise Nielsen

Hello,

I have found Michel Pedersen's marriage in Thisted, Morsø sønder, Redsted 1814-1862, opslag 147.
It says bachelor and miller Michel Pedersen of Hvidberg is married to Ane Ovesdatter of Redsted on June 9, 1833 in the church of Redsted. Sponsors Ove Christensen and Niels Bach, both farmers in Redsted.

Ane Ovesdatter dies on May 10,1897 in Karby. Thisted, Morsø sønder, Karby 1892-1906, opslag 204.
It says that she was born at the farm named "Højgaard" in the parish of Redsted in 1806.

Kind regards,
Inge-Lise Nielsen

Homer Ficken

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Citat fra: Inge-Lise Nielsen Dato 27 Apr 2013 - 22:10
Hello,

I have found Michel Pedersen's marriage in Thisted, Morsø sønder, Redsted 1814-1862, opslag 147.
It says bachelor and miller Michel Pedersen of Hvidberg is married to Ane Ovesdatter of Redsted on June 9, 1833 in the church of Redsted. Sponsors Ove Christensen and Niels Bach, both farmers in Redsted.

Ane Ovesdatter dies on May 10,1897 in Karby. Thisted, Morsø sønder, Karby 1892-1906, opslag 204.
It says that she was born at the farm named "Højgaard" in the parish of Redsted in 1806.

Kind regards,
Inge-Lise Nielsen

Thanks Inge, that reveals more details of Michel Pedersen's complicated life:

Ane in 1834, with a son Peder Christian Michelsen:

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Redsted, Redsted Bye, , Et hus, 12, FT-1834
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Kirsten Laursdatter 63  Enke(mand)  Aftægtskone  
Ane Ovesdatter 28  Gift  Inderste, lever af håndarbejde, *hendes mand er i tjeneste ved Rachebye Mølle  
Peder Christian Michelsen 1  Ugift  Deres barn [Ane Ovesdatter, ]  
*husband on duty near Rachebye Mill

Born 18 Sep 1833 Peder Cristian Michelsen, parents Michel Pedersen & Ane Ovesdatter (Redsted opslag 19)
This PCM died 18 Jan 1836, age 2 yrs 4 mos (Redsted opslag 235 nr 5)

Born 7 Jan 1836 Peder Michelsen, parents Michel Pedersen & Ane Ovesdatter (Redsted opslag 21)
This PM died 20 Sep 1836, age 3/4 yrs 15 days (Redsted opslag 235 nr 1)

Born 23 Dec 1836 Peder Christian Michelsen, parents unmarried Ane Nielsdatter and married man Michel Pedersen of Ørndrup Mill (Frøslev opslag 116)
Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
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Inger Toudal

Citat fra: Homer Ficken Dato 27 Apr 2013 - 21:43

The one I found is Karby 1863-1882 opslag 119, and maybe Hvidbjerg is what's written in last column?


No, the word in the last column is the cause of death: Alderdomssvaghed (weakness from old age). But it's stated elsewhere in the Karby record that Mikkel Pedersen Møller died in Hvidbjerg, so that's why I looked for him there.

Now the birth record of Peder Christian Michelsen b. 23 Dec. 1836 in Frøslev makes sense:

Moderen, ugift Ane Nielsdatter
hjemme hos sin Moder Karen Degn
i Frøslev. Som Barnefader blev i
Overværelse af Gaardmand Søren
Pedersen Overgaard og dennes Broder
Jens Nielsen Pedersen, begge af Frøslev,
udlagt: Michel Pedersen Redsted
Møller paa Ørndrup Mølle (NB gift Mand)


Mother, unmarried Ane Nielsdatter
at home with her mother Karen Degn
in Frøslev. The child was, in the
presence of farmer Søren Pedersen
Overgaard and his brother, Jens Nielsen
Pedersen, both of Frøslev, fathered on
Michel Pedersen [of] Redsted,
Miller at Ørndrup Mill (NB married man).

Please refer to https://www.slaegtogdata.dk/forum/index.php/topic,58477.0.html

A suggestion for a slightly different translation in connection with the 1834 census for Redsted:

* her husband is serving/working at Rachebye Mill

Best regards,
Inger t.
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Inger Toudal

Homer Ficken


Thanks again Inger.

Michel Pedersen continued:

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Hvidbjerg, Wester Hvidberg Bye, , Et huus, 24, FT-1845
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Ane Ovesdatter 38  Gift  Inderste,haandarbeide Rested sogn
Peder Christian Michelsen 2  Ugift  Hendes barn Heri sognet
Maren Kjerstine Michelsdatter 5  Ugift  Hendes barn Karbye sogn

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Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Hvidbjerg, Vester Hvidberg, , Fattighuset, 89.3, FT-1855
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Ane Ovesdatter 40  Gift Fattiglem  Redsted s., Thisted a.
Peder Christian Mikkelsen 12  Ugift Hendes søn  Karby sogn, Thisted amt

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Maren Kjerstine Michelsdatter born 16 Apr 1840
parents Michel Pedersen & Ane Ovesdatter (Kalby opslag 76)

Peder Christian Michelsen born 5 Sep 1843
parents Michel Pedersen & Ane Ovesdatter (Hvidbjerg opslag 24)

Michel Pedersen was living apart from his wife in all censuses.
Location:  Texas USA
Areas of interest:  Tønder county,  Brede, Daler, and Visby parishes
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Inger Toudal


Mikkel Pedersen (Møller) and Ane Ovesdatter had several children:

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Hvidbjerg, Wester Hvidberg Bye, Et huus, 24, FT-1845, C1155
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Ane Ovesdatter   38    Gift      Inderste,haandarbeide   Rested sogn
Peder Christian Michelsen   2    Ugift      Hendes barn   Heri sognet
Maren Kjerstine Michelsdatter   5    Ugift      Hendes barn   Karbye sogn

Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Karby, Karby Bye, Et hus, 36, FT-1850, C0884
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Anne Ovesdatter   44    Gift      Lever af husflid, husmoder   Redsted sogn, Thisted amt
Ove Mikkelsen   13    Ugift      Hendes børn, almisselemmer   Her i sognet
Maren Kirstine Michelsdatter   10    Ugift      Hendes børn, almisselemmer   Her i sognet
Michel Chr. Michelsen*   7    Ugift      Hendes børn, almisselemmer   Hvidbjerg sogn, Thisted amt
Niels Christian Michelsen   2    Ugift      Hendes børn, almisselemmer   Hvidbjerg sogn, Thisted amt
* should be Peder Christian Michelsen

I see you had already found two of them  :)

Best regards,
Inger T.
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal