Holbaek in Sjaelland

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 05:06

Hello,

I went to the Statens Arkiver to see if I could find records for a person who was born in the "city of Holbaek in Sjaelland" (according to a descendent), but I'm not finding any Kirkebøger records for this location. I went to the census records and couldn't find this location there, either.

Is this location included in the archives?

Thank you for any help or direction you might provide.

Julie

Paul Londahl-Smidt · 30 Dec 2010 - 05:20

Hi Julie,

Try Holbæk amt, Merløse herred, Holæk Skt Nicolaj sogn.

Sincerely,
Paul

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 07:59

Thank you, Paul. I tried both of those locations, but did not find the records I'm seeking.

So you know where Sjaelland is?

Thanks again.

Julie

Anne Mortensen · 30 Dec 2010 - 08:54

Sjælland is an island with Holbæk county and Holbæk city

http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/kilder/sognekort

and only Holbæk county
http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/kilder/sognekort/holbaek-amt

Gustav Jørgensen · 30 Dec 2010 - 10:36

Give us some names and addresses
Gustav

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 16:57

Citat fra: Anne Mortensen link=topic=5323.msg26683#msg26683 date=1293695696
Sjælland is an island with Holbæk county and Holbæk city

http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/kilder/sognekort

and only Holbæk county
http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/kilder/sognekort/holbaek-amt

Thank you for the information. What I'm thinking is that the descendent may be confusing Holbaek county for Holbaek city. Since I know the dates of birth, I will start looking at each parish in Holbaek county.

Here is the info that was sent to me. I want to provide this person with the tools and links for him to do his own research, but I wanted to get him started on the right path by finding the first christening records for each of these two people.

"In particular I'm looking for the parents of Anna Marie Nord-Jensen (her name might be a slight variant from this, like Ane Marie Jensen Nord), b. 16 Oct 1845 in the city of Holbaek, in Sjaelland, Denmark. She married Frederick Pedersen, who was b. 14 Dec 1849 in the same city. They both came to the US before 1874. and settled in Wisconsin; not sure if they married in Denmark or the US."

Thanks again for your replies.

Julie

Jesper Skov · 30 Dec 2010 - 17:24

Try the census at http://ddd.dda.dk

e.g.

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Borup, , 63.et boelssted, FT 1850, A7180
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Rasmussen 43 gift Husfader, lever af sin Jordlod Nørre Jernløse, Holbæk Amt
Karen Christensdatter 39 gift hans kone ??
Christen Pedersen 15 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Jens Pedersen 13 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Maren Pedersen 11 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Rasmus Pedersen 9 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Ane Margrethe Pedersen 6 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Bodil Pedersen 4 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Frederik Pedersen 1 ugift deres barn født i sognet

That Frederik Pedersen you will find born 14. dec. 1849 in Søndersted, Merløse, Holbæk 1842-1882 opslag 17.

Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 17:43

Citat fra: Jesper Skov Dato 30 Dec 2010 - 17:24
Try the census at http://ddd.dda.dk

e.g.

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Borup, , 63.et boelssted, FT 1850, A7180
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Rasmussen 43 gift Husfader, lever af sin Jordlod Nørre Jernløse, Holbæk Amt
Karen Christensdatter 39 gift hans kone ??
Christen Pedersen 15 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Jens Pedersen 13 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Maren Pedersen 11 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Rasmus Pedersen 9 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Ane Margrethe Pedersen 6 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Bodil Pedersen 4 ugift deres barn født i sognet
Frederik Pedersen 1 ugift deres barn født i sognet

That Frederik Pedersen you will find born 14. dec. 1849 in Søndersted, Merløse, Holbæk 1842-1882 opslag 17.

Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Thank you very much Jesper! That's just the jump start we needed. Now I can get the descendant hooked up with research links and a great start. I will also point him to this forum for help as he is new to Danish research.

Thanks again for everybody's help!

Happy New Year!

Julie

Lissa Pedersen · 30 Dec 2010 - 17:47

Hi Julie,

The family is also here in 1855:

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Borup, et Boelssted, 66 F1, FT-1855, C8689
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Rasmussen 48 Gift Boelsmd (Boelsmand), Huusfader N. Jernløse (Nørrejernløse, Holbæk Amt)
Karen Christensen 44 Gift Hans Kone Kundbye H. A. (Kundby, Holbæk Amt)
Ane Magrethe Pedersen 11 Ugift deres Børn Her i Sognet (Søndersted Sogn, Holbæk Amt)
Bodil Marie Pedersen 9 Ugift deres Børn Do (Søndersted Sogn, Holbæk Amt)
Frederik Pedersen 6 Ugift deres Børn Do (Søndersted Sogn, Holbæk Amt)
Kirstine Pedersen 2 Ugift deres Børn Do (Søndersted Sogn, Holbæk Amt)

And the mother and father here in 1880 together with a son and his wife:

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Søndersted By, Søndersted sogn, et hus, 12, FT-1880, B0324
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Petersen 42 Gift husfader, huseier her i Byen [Søndersted]
Katinka Marie Bang 42 Gift hans hustru N. Jernløse sogn, Holbek Amt
Peder Rasmussen 72 Gift huseierens fader, nyder aftægt af stedet N. Jernløse sogn, Holbek Amt
Karen Christensen 67 Gift huseierens moder, nyder aftægt af stedet Kundby sogn, Holbek Amt

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 30 Dec 2010 - 17:53

And more here - 1845:

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Søndersted by, Hus, 55, FT-1845, C1548
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Rasmussen 38 Gift Husmand Nørre Jernløse
Karen Christiansdatter 32 Gift Kundby
Christian Pedersen 10 Ugift Søndersted
Jens Pedersen 8 Ugift Søndersted
Maren Pedersdatter 6 Ugift Søndersted
Rasmus Perdersen 4 Ugift Søndersted
Ane M. Pedersdatter 1 Ugift Søndersted
Hans Torkildsen 75 Enke Aftægt Tuse
Jørgen Pedersen 41 Gift Arbejdsmand Undløse
Ellen Kristine Hansdatter 35 Gift Søndersted
Peder Jørgensen 10 Ugift Søndersted
Hans Jørgensen 7 Ugift Søndersted

And in 1840:

holbaek, Merløse, Søndersted, Borup, et Huus, 53-F1, FT-1840, C2617
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Rasmussen 33 Gift Huusmand
Karen Christensdatter 27 Gift hans Kone
Christen Pedersen 5 Ugift deres Børn
Jens Pedersen 3 Ugift deres Børn
Maren Pedersdatter 1 Ugift deres Børn
Hans Thorkildsen 70 Enkemand Inderste og Aftægtsmand

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 30 Dec 2010 - 18:11

This could be Karen Christensdatter with parents and a brother in 1834 (she was born in Kundby parish):

holbaek, Tuse, Kundby, Kundby, en Gaard, 17, FT-1834, C4587
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Christen Nielsen 52 Gift Gaardmand
Bodil Larsdatter 50 Gift Hans kone
Niels Christensen 15 Ugift Deres børn
Karen Christensdatter 22 Ugift Deres børn
Ane Christensdatter 21 Ugift Deres børn
Niels Madsen 29 Ugift Tjenestekarl

If you try to find her birth in Kundby parish, this could confirm ...

Lissa

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 18:32

Hello Lissa,

Thank you very much for the research and information. I have given this information to the relative along with instructions on how to join this forum and this thread. Hopefully he will join us here soon.

Kind regards,

Julie

Lissa Pedersen · 30 Dec 2010 - 18:36

Hi Julie,

Perhaps also tell him about the link to find place names: www.krabsen.dk.

Lissa

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 21:38

Hello,

He is very grateful for the information. It has confirmed what he had from another source and gave him additional information. He has more complete information on Frederik, but Ane Marie Jensen is more of the mystery. I am working on that.

One thing that would help is knowing when Frederik left Denmark and whether or not he was already married. I found a departure record for him in the Sondersted, Merlose, Holbaek register, opslag 267, line 12. It looks like he was 14 when he departed. I'm not sure what the other information on the page means. Could somebody take a look at it and help me understand it? Thank you.

I did look through the Sondersted marriage records, but did not find anything for Frederik. This isn't surprising if he left Sondersted in 1864. I did find his confirmation record in 1864 (Sondersted, opslag 200). He must have been confirmed and then left??

Thank you for your help.

Julie

Jesper Skov · 30 Dec 2010 - 21:55

A possibility is

Ane Marie Nor-Jensen born 26. okt. 1844 in Ruds Vedby, Løve, Holbæk 1833-1855 opslag 91.

Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Julie Pickett · 30 Dec 2010 - 22:36

Citat fra: Jesper Skov Dato 30 Dec 2010 - 21:55
A possibility is

Ane Marie Nor-Jensen born 26. okt. 1844 in Ruds Vedby, Løve, Holbæk 1833-1855 opslag 91.

Kind regards,

Jesper Skov

Thank you. That certainly looks like a possibility. Do you have any theories why the 'Nor' was inserted in the record like that and what it would mean?

Regards,

Julie

Lissa Pedersen · 30 Dec 2010 - 22:40

Ane Marie's parents and siblings:

holbaek, Løve, Ruds Vedby, Vedbye Bye, Et Huus, 58, FT-1840, C6763
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Kristensen 33 Gift Huusmand og Dagleier
Hanne Jensen 37 Gift Hans kone
Peder Jensen 6 Ugift Deres børn
Kristian Jensen 4 Ugift Deres børn
Kirstine Jensen 2 Ugift Deres børn

This must be Ane Marie, parents and siblings:

holbaek, Løve, Ruds Vedby, Wedby, 1 Huus ved Conradineslyst, 79, FT-1845, C2140
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Christensen 39 Gift Arbeidsmand Unløse S. H.A.
Johanne Marie 40 Gift hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Christian Jensen 8 Ugift deres Børn Her i Sognet
Karen Jensdatter 6 Ugift deres Børn Ibd [Her i Sognet]
Hans Jensen 4 Ugift deres Børn Ibd [Her i Sognet]
Ane Marie Jensdatter 1 Ugift deres Børn Ibd [Her i Sognet]

And in 1850:

holbaek, Løve, Ruds Vedby, Vedby Hestehauge, 1 hus, 106, FT-1850, C8465
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Christensen 44 Gift Lever af sin jordlod Undløse, Holbæk Amt
Johanne M. Jensen 46 Gift Hans Hustru København
Christian Jensen 14 Ugift Deres barn Her i Sognet
Hans Jensen 10 Ugift Deres barn Her i Sognet
Karen Jensen 8 Ugift Deres barn Her i Sognet
Ane Jensen 6 Ugift Deres barn Her i Sognet

Lissa

PS: The departure list only says:

Frederik Pedersen, 14 years old, leaving Borup, travelling to Holbæk

Ane Marie's confirmation is on opslag 181 (1849-1892) in Ruds Vedby. It seems, as if the Nor is this time Noer ..

Chris Nelson · 31 Dec 2010 - 05:44

Hi everyone,

I'm the one who Julie has been helping, and the info has been a major help in a genealogical line I had long thought impossible to continue working on.

Thank you for your help!

In my records I have two possible birthdates for Anna Marie Nord-Jensen; the other happens to be 26 Oct 1844! It is indeed her.

Here's some stuff I have on Frederick Peterson (Frederik Pedersen) from my old notes:

"Having sailed aboard a ship named 'Runkel', he arrived in New York with wife Anna Marie and [younger] sister Christine, then settled in Wisconsin. According to the article 'Christine Pedersen Ottosen', they arrived in the US on April 1, 1874. However, this conflicts with daughter Trena's birthplace and birthdate [28 Feb 1874, Wisconsin]. Arthur Nelson's genealogical chart says they arrived in 1871, probably closer to the truth. According to the 1900 census, they came to the US in 1872."

"Frederick Pedersen was also born at Holbaek, Sjaelland. He had secured the common school education offered in the schools of Denmark. He came to America at the age of 22 in order to escape the compulsory military training."

A mention is made in the Ottosen Family History that Frederick first married someone named Carrie. He did have a daughter named Karen, who went by the name Carrie.

Here is an excerpt from the story of Frederick's father Peder Rasmussen, from a written narrative passed down the family line:

"When Peder was 26 years old his father became very ill. The Count called Peder to the Big House. The Count told him that his father was probably going to die and even if he got better he would no longer be able to head the Rasmussen family. Therefore, Peder, as the eldest son, would become head of the family. The Count said that Peder must marry. If Peder didn't have a girl in mind for his wife, one would be found for him. Peder didn't know any girls who were his age and single. He asked his master for a few days off and the request was granted. Peder went to his home, much saddened by what the Count had said about his father's impending death.

"Once Peder had been sent on an errand to the next county (or estate), known as Stroll. On Stroll there was a store that Peder had gone to for the master, to make purchases as he was told. The storekeeper had a daughter named Karen who had been very kind to Peder. She was large and strong but not very pretty. As Peder thought about all this, he decided he wanted a big woman because he was very tall. He also wanted a woman who was smart and kind.... Karen was one social station higher than Peder, though this did not seem to be a problem 'unless a woman was marrying to go up.' Peder asked to talk to her father. Christine [Pedersen Ottosen, Peder's daughter] got a kick out of telling this, 'he went right to the man and he said, "I need to get married and I want your daughter!" The man said, "Which one? I have six!" Peder didn't even know her name.' He hadn't asked her if she wanted to marry him. They were married the next day (abt 1833) and went home."

Thank you all for helping me find out more about these people!

Julie Pickett · 31 Dec 2010 - 08:47

Nice to see you here, Chris.

Going back to the Peder Rasmussen line, I believe I found his christening record in Nørre Jernløse, Merløse, Holbæk (1800 - 1814) opslag 19 (right page, left column, the very bottom record). It says that his father was Rasmus Jespersen. I didn't see his mother's name listed.

I then found Peder's christening record in Norre Jernlose (1813-1843, opslag 174). (I'm a little confused about the birth date listed on the confirmation record and the record right above it that has a Hans Rasmussen confirmed at the same time with a birth date that matches Peder's.) I was hoping that the confirmation record would list his mother, but it didn't.

I looked through the marriage records for Norre Jernlose for the marriage of Peder and Karen, but didn't find it. Like your family history account says, he may have travelled to another parish or county to find his bride and marry her.

Julie

Julie Pickett · 31 Dec 2010 - 08:52