Who was Hans Peter (Peder) Jensen?

Startet af Michelle Bie, 10 Jan 2013 - 03:55

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Michelle Bie

Could someone help me learn more about my great grandfather's father? I know next to nothing about him other than he was not married to my great great grandmother and he was born in Aasted Sogn. My great grandfather's birth and baptism can be found at 1860-1883 Lendum, Horns, Hjørring op 11 entry #11.

I have found my great great grandmother, Amalie Christine Bie in the 1880 census living with her sister Adolphine Bie and Jens Pedersen I believe as a servant. My great grandfather, Laurits Peter Bie is listed as Laurits Peter Petersen (Pedersen) in this census, 1880 Hjørring, Vennebjeg, Ugilt op 24.

The only information I have for Amalie's whereabouts between her confirmation in 1858 and when Laurits was born was found in Hjørring, Horns, Skærum, 1814-1891, Afgansliste in the year 1862. I have not found her in the census records for 1860 or 1870. She married Soren Jakobsen in 1884.

I am at a loss where else to look, can anyone help me?

Michelle




John Wrenholt

I assume that you have the confirmation record for Lauritz Peter Bie which says that his father was Hans Peter of Egebjerg Mark?

1872-1887 Ugilt, Vennebjerg, Hjørring ops 106.

John Wrenholt

Amalie and her sister are listed in 1860-1883 Lendum at the bottom of ops 174. I can't read where she transferred to however. It could be Åsted perhaps.  Anyway I checked the 1870 Åsted census and I believe I found Lauritz Peder Bie listed on ops 42, no. 241.  I don't find Amalie listed on that page but my eyes are tired and I didn't look further.

Michelle Bie

Thank you John. I didn't have Laurits Peter's confirmation, it is a welcome addition to my family file. The time between Laurits Peter's baptism and the 1880 census was a complete mystery to me. In the 1870 census, Laurits Peter is living with his maternal grandmother, Inger Johanne Sorensen and her youngest son Hans Christian Pedersen (Laurits Peter's half-uncle). The next entry in the census is Inger's brother Axel Sorensen. I had lost track of Inger after the birth of Hans Christian.

Can anyone tell me where Egebjerg Mark was located? Was in Asted sogn or Ugilt or some where else entirely? I would like to try finding more about Hans Peter but it is like looking for a needle in a haystack not knowing where I should look.

Again, thank you John.

Michelle 


Inger Toudal

#4
Hi Michelle,

I'm afraid Egebjerg Mark in Laurits' confirmation record is not necessarily the place where Laurits' father was living. In my opinion, it's the residence of Amalie Christine Bie. Egebjerg is found in both Ugilt and Astrup parishes.

Where did Amalie Christine live at the time of the wedding in 1884? Do you have an 'opslag' reference?

The birth of Lauritz is also registered in Skærum 1854-1882, opslag 21, between # 6 and # 7.

Here's a transcription of that record:
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=494&begivenhed=D%E5b

Have you seen these other transcriptions from Skærum parish?

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=378&begivenhed=Konfirmation

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=602&begivenhed=Tilgangsliste

At the time of Laurits' birth, Hans Peder Jensen is said to be of Asdal (Lendum: serving at Asdal). Asdal is a manor/estate in Asdal parish, Vennebjerg herred. Maybe you can find him there. Mind you, Hans Peder Jensen is not an uncommon name.

You might also be interested in these:

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/kbindhold.asp?kipnr=K0316&begivenhed=Afgangsliste&sogn=Sk%E6rum&aarfra=1814&aartil=1891 - search for Bie

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/kbindhold.asp?kipnr=K0316&begivenhed=Tilgangsliste&sogn=Sk%E6rum&aarfra=1814&aartil=1891 - search for Bie

Here's the main page of the transcribed church records at ddd.dda.dk: http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/find_kirkebog.asp

Best regards,
Inger Toudal
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Inger Toudal

Michelle Bie

Inger,

The marriage record for Soren Jacobsen and Amalie Christine Bie is located in Ugilt, Vennebjerg Hjørring  1872 1887 opslag 192 #4. I can't read what it says about Amalie except that she is 41 years old.

Amalie and her sister Hansine were born in Flade sogn, (Amalie -6 Apr 1843 and Hansine - 2 Mar 1845) their other siblings were born in Skærum and that is where their father Simon Lauritz Bie died in 1847.

I will look for Hans Peter in Lendum at Asdal as you suggested. And I know that Hans Peter Jensen is a very common name which is part of what prompted me to ask for help trying to find more about him.

Michelle

Inger Toudal

#6
Michelle,

The marriage record tells us that Amalie Christine is serving in Lørslev [in Ugilt parish] - tjener i Lørslev.


I found this about Hans Peder Jensen, 30 y, in the departure list 1865 for Skærum parish  :) :

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=696&begivenhed=Afgangsliste

- and Amalie Christine (with her surname spelled Bei) also leaving for Hørmested parish ! :

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=697&begivenhed=Afgangsliste

I keep getting 'error' with the arrival list now. It worked all right earlier this evening. Too bad, since these lists are not on ArkivalierOnline, which is already noted in the error list at AO.

As for Asdal, Hans Peter Jensen, 31 y, is in the arrival list in 1866 (Asdal, Vennebjerg, Hjørring 1863-1877, opslag 127,
# 3 in 1866), arriving from Ugilt.

He then leaves for Enggaard later in 1866 (Asdal 1863-1877, opslag 143, # 29 in 1866).

Enggaard is not a parish, but a place name found in several parishes in Hjørring herred  :( .

Best regards,
Inger T.
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Inger Toudal

Michelle Bie

Inger, thank you for this information. Since you know what you looking for, could you try to find Hans Peter and Amalie's arrival when it works again?

Would you think it is fairly safe to think that this would be the father of Laurits, since both Hans Peter and Amalie leave for the same place?

Do you have any other suggestions for finding more?

Sincerely,
Michelle

Inger Toudal

#8

Yes. I think it's the right Hans Peter Jensen, but we still don't know anything about him except his name and approximate age.

If searching doesn't work, you can still click forward in the list all the way to 1864 and 1865  ;) .

Amalie Christine's arrival Nov. 1864 was already in my former posting:

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=602&begivenhed=Tilgangsliste

Hans Peter Jensen's arrival Jan. 1865 (recorded Nov. 1865):

http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/alle_opl.asp?kipnr=K0316&lbnr=624&begivenhed=Tilgangsliste

He's arriving from Tornby. When I look in the departure list for Tornby, I find that he left in May 1865 for Skjærum S, Horns herred (Tornby, Vennebjerg, Hjørring 1856-1877, opslag 40 # 16). Maybe there's an error in the transcription or the original Skærum arrival list.

In Tornby it's mentioned that Hans Peter, 29 y, leaving 1 May 1865, can be found in the Jævnførelsesregister at page 139 # 23, but this page cannot be found at AO. Several pages are missing, so it's of course possible that they're missing in the original as well. I would have liked to check whether there was a reference to his birth or confirmation or arrival in Tornby. Why? Because he might be this young man:

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Tornby, Tornby, Et huus, 39, FT-1845, B5304
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Position in household:      Occupation:      Birth place:
Jens Hansen   35    Gift      Huusmand lever af jordlodden   Heri sognet
Ane Marie Nielsdatter   29    Gift      Hans kone   Heri sognet
Hans Peter Jensen   10    Ugift      Deres børn   Heri sognet
Niels Christian Jensen   8    Ugift      Deres børn   Heri sognet
Marie Jensdatter   1    Ugift      Deres børn   Heri sognet

His confirmation 1850 is in Tornby 1843-1857, opslag 70 # 97, born 20 Dec. 1835. He was vaccinated against smallpox
8 Aug. 1836 by Sunkenberg (or Sünkenberg). Sometimes you're lucky to find vaccination info in the arrival and departure lists, but so far no luck with 'your' Hans Peter Jensen.

Best regards,
Inger T.
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Inger Toudal

Michelle Bie

Hello Inger,

I did a little searching in the census records and found a Hans Peter Jensen in 1890 Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Ugilt op 81 # 15.

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Ugilt, Ugilt,, , , 198, FT-1890
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:

Hans Peter Jensen 53  Gift Husfader Husmand Tornby Sogn Hjørring Amt
Kristiane Marie Kristensen 37  Gift Husmoder  Astrup Sogn Hjørring Amt
Johanes Jensen 17  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt
Marie Magdalene Jensen 14  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt
Kristine Thomsen 14  Ugift Barn  Astrup Sogn Hjørring Amt
Anton Kristen Jensen 8  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ane Marie Jensen 6  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt
Ane Magrete Jensen 4  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt
Jensine Martine Hansen 21  Ugift Barn  Ugilt Sogn Hjørring Amt

The age is off by 2 years but it might be the same Hans Peter that you found. I wish we could find something that would link  the Hans Peters in the census with the Hans Peter on my great grandfather's birth and confirmation record.

I am not sure where you have found the arrival and departure information, and what did you mean when you wrote "If searching doesn't work, you can still click forward in the list all the way to 1864 and 1865."

Laurits Peter was born 27 June 1866 so Amalie would have already been pregnant in November of 1865.

Thank you for this information and if you have any other suggestions, I would love to hear them.

Sincerely,
Michelle




Inger Toudal

Hello Michelle,

I, too, think it's the same Hans Peter Jensen. Here he is in 1880 (probably an error in the transcription of the birth place at ddd.dda.dk):

Hjørring, Vennebjerg, Ugilt, Ugilt, Et hus, 8, FT-1880, C2710
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hans Peter Jensen   44    Gift   Husfader, husfæster, lever af sin jordlod      Torslev sogn Hjørring amt
Kristiane Marie Kristensen   28    Gift   Hans kone      Aistrup sogn Hjørring amt
Jens Sine Hansen   11    Ugift   Deres barn      Ugilt sogn Hjørring amt
Johannes Jensen   7    Ugift   Deres barn      Ugilt sogn Hjørring amt
Marie Magdalene Jensen   4    Ugift   Deres barn      Ugilt sogn Hjørring amt
Kristine Thomsen   4    Ugift   Pleiebarn      Ugilt sogn Hjørring amt

It's difficult to link him to the Hans Peter Jensen, who served at Dybro in Skærum parish at the same time Amalie Christine did.
According to the transcription, Hans Peter's arrival in Skærum was only recorded in Nov. 1865, but he arrived earlier.

The arrivals to Skærum parish I found here:
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/kbindhold.asp?kipnr=K0316&begivenhed=Tilgangsliste&sogn=Sk%E6rum&aarfra=1814&aartil=1891

- and the departures from Skærum parish here:
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiip/asp/kbindhold.asp?kipnr=K0316&begivenhed=Afgangsliste&sogn=Sk%E6rum&aarfra=1814&aartil=1891

At the bottom of those pages you can click "Frem >>" to reach the year you want to study, or you can search at the top of the page (the search function in the arrival list doesn't always work).

Unfortunately, there are no arrival or departure records beyond 1864 in Hørmested parish, at least not on ArkivalierOnline. From Laurits Peter's birth record we know, though, that his father was serving at Asdal in 1866. Hans Peter Jensen leaves Asdal later in 1866 for Enggaard (which parish?), and that's where I lose track of him.

Best regards,
Inger T.
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Inger Toudal