Mette Marie Mikkelsen

[Antje Jacobsen]

Hi, I am looking for "BRUDEN" Mette Marie Mikkelsen (some 20 found, but not the right one)

Folketælling 1834 Ribe Amt, Øster Horne Herred, Ansager Sogn, Andsager By
Lauborg
48 - et Huus
313   Jens Pedersen Søe   M   29   Gift   Snedker. Ernærer sig ved sit Snedkerhaandværk og sit Jordsbedrift
314   Mette Marie Mikkelsen   K   24   Gift   Snedker. Ernærer sig ved sit Snedkerhaandværk og sit Jordsbedrift
315   Faline Hansine Kirstine Pedersdatter   K   5   -   deres Barn

>> Faline Hansine Kirstine Pedersdatter is my Great-Great Grandmother
>> Faline was in 1860 married in Knude, Hvejsel, Vejle-Amt to Anders Mathiasen
>> Falines Son Jens Søe Andersen settled on SYLT in 1891 or 1892


Tak for help

[John Wrenholt]

I'm sure that you have these but I'll list them here to help others:

Vejle, Nørvang, Øster Nykirke, Alsted Mark, , et Huus, 120, F2, FT-1850
Anders Mathiesen   27   Gift      Indsidder, Dagleier   Do [ Her i Sognet, Øster Nykirke]
Falline Hans. Kirst. Pedersen   21   Gift      hans Kone   Tørring
Christian Peder Andersen   1   Ugift      deres Barn   Her i Sognet [ Øster Nykirke]

Vejle, Nørvang, Hvejsel, Knude, , Et Huus, 139, FT-1860
Anders Mathiassen   37   Gift   Huusmand. Husfader      Nykirke Sogn Vejle Amt
Falline?? Hansen Pedersen   31   Gift   hans Kone      Hejls S., Haderslev Amt
Christian Peter Andersen   11   Ugift   deres Søn      Nykirke Sogn, Vejle Amt
Mette Marie Jensine Andersen   7   Ugift   Foranstaaende Forældres Børn      Heri Sognet
Matheus Andersen   5   Ugift   Foranstaaende Forældres Børn      Heri Sognet
Jens Søe Andersen   3   Ugift   Foranstaaende Forældres Børn      Heri Sognet
Dorthe Marie Andersen   1   Ugift   Foranstaaende Forældres Børn      Heri Sognet

Vejle, Nørvang, Øster Nykirke, Alsted Mark, , Huus, 81, FT-1860
Peder Laursen   31   G   Husfader, husmand      Tørring Sogn, Skanderborg Amt
Juliane Rasmussen   31   G   Hans hustru      Klovborg Sogn, Skanderborg Amt
Hans Pedersen   3   U   Deres børn      Øster Nykirke
Laust Marius Pedersen   1   U   Deres børn      Øster Nykirke
Laust Pedersen   60   E   Husfaderens fader der af ham forsørges      Tørring Sogn, Skanderborg Amt
Jens Christian Laursen   18   U   Tjenestekarl      Øster Nykirke
Jens Pedersen Søe   48   E   Møllebygger      Ringkøbing

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

I found the couple arriving in Ansager:

churchbook: 1831-1843, opslag 69: Tilgangsliste nr. 22 og 23
Jens Pedersen Søe, age 28 1/2, lives in a place in Lauborg, came from Ølgod
Mette Marie Nielsdatter, age 22, married to the person above

In Ølgod I found them on the list for lieving persons:
1833, opslag 218 nr. 21
Jens Pedersen Søe, age 29, built mills
Mette Nielsdatter, his wife, age 22

Next I foun Jens Pedersen Søe as a widower in:
Vejle, Nørvang, Øster Nykirke:
Census 1860
Jens Pedersen Søe   48    E   Møllebygger      Ringkøbing

Vejle, Nørvang, Øster Nykirke 1851-1859, opslag 120
Dead Women:
Died 17th of Nov, buried 24 of Nov. Mette Marie Nielsdatter, the wife of smallholder and carpenter Jens Pedersen Søe at Alsted Mark, born in Varde 48 Years old.

Ribe, Vester Horne, Varde Sct. Nicolai, 1779-1814, opslag 73

Carpenter Niels Mikkelsen Møller and twin daughters Magdalene Nielsdatter Tranberg their twin daughters
Mette Marie and Anne Magrete, born 3rd of Jan, baptised at home, presented in the church 9th of March.

- so there was the answer to both Nielsdatter and Mikkelsen.

Regards
Ruth

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

Ribe, Øster Horne, Ølgod, opslag 188,
1829 nr. 28:
Mette Marie Nielsdatter, age 18, to stay with her granfather Hans Møller in Lindberg (now spelt Lindbjerg) Mølle (mill)
with child Faline Hansine Kirstine baptised 7th of Oct.
arrives from Hjels.

Marriage: Ølgod, opslag 169:
Jens Pedersen Søe, 28 from Ansager Mølle
Mette Marie Nielsdatter at her aunt (faster = fathers sister) in Lindberg Mølle.

Regards
Ruth

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

And then:
Lindbjerg Mølle:

Ribe, Øster Horne, Ølgod, Lindberg Møllen, [1ste Familie], 86, FT-1787, C6439
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Hans Hansen 26  Gift Hosbond Møller 
Margrethe Nielsdatter 44  Gift Hans Kone - 
Niels Michelsen 19  Ugift Søn af første Egteskab (son of first mariage) tiener uden Sogns (working in another the parish) 
Anna Cathrine Sørrensdatter 12  Ugift Datter af andet Egteskab (daughter of 2nd marriage)
Niels Andersen 58  Ugift opholdende fattig og skrøbelig

then I took a look at her data:
Kilde:  FT-1787 Kildehenvisning: 241 
Navn:  Margrethe Nielsdatter Køn:  K
Alder:  44
Stilling i husstanden:  Hans Kone Civilstand:  Gift
Erhverv:  -
Sogn:  Ølgod Herred:  Øster Horne
Amt:  Ribe Stednavn:  Lindberg Møllen
Husstands-/familienr:  86 Matr.nr/adresse:  [1ste Familie]
Nr. ægteskab:  3  (3rd marriage) Indtastningsnr:  C6439 Løbenr.:  484

Ribe, Øster Horne, Ølgod, Lindberg Mølle, 14. Parcell, 71, FT-1801, b8785
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Hans Hansen 41  Gift Mand Møller og Jordbruger 
Margrethe Nielsd: 58  Gift Hans Kone   
Niels Madsen 65  Gift beslegtede (relative)Indsidder og AftægdsMand 
Ane Kierstine Michelsd: 32  Gift beslegtede (relative)

So the "grandfather" mentioned in the Tilgangsliste is not her grandfather, but grandmothers third husband.

Regards
Ruth

[Antje Jacobsen]

Mange mange TAK !!

Thank you so much for your help.

[Antje Jacobsen]

Hi, again me!  

I tried to put the data you found (thank you again)
in my AGES familytree, but the data are not matching.

If Mette Marie in the kirkebog of 1859 is shown as
"died at 48 years" , she must have been born 1859-48=1811 in Varde.

If born 1811 she would be 22 in 1833, that would be correct.

BUT: She is said to be 7 years younger than her husband Jens P.S.

If Jens Pedersen Soe in Osterkirke 1860 Folketaelling was 48 years of age,
he must be born about 1812, would be 1 year younger as Mette Marie.
So in 1833 he should be 21, not 29.

If he was indeed 29 y. in 1833, he would be 56 y. at Folketaelling 1860,
not 48. As a carpenter he should be able to count years ...
How relieable are the Folketaellings?

[Or: Did he lie about his age in the househould of Laursen
because he had to built mills and was afraid of being judged
as "too old" with 8 more years?]


Puzzled  ???, Antje

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

Hi Antje
Age in a census is often not correct. Thats why you have to look through several years for a persons birth in the churchbook to be sure you have found the right person. And even age mentioned in churchbook is not always correct. If they did not have a birth record or certificate they had to relie on the informations they got from relatives or friends.

I am sure Mette Marie born 1811 in Varde correct. You can follow her to Hjels, Ølgod and Varde, no problem there.

The task is now to find Jens Pedersen Søe born in Ringkøbing. Have you found his birth?

Skanderborg, Vrads, Tørring, Tørring mark, Et huus, 54.1, FT-1845, C0958
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jens Pedersen Søe 41  Gift  Huusmand og møllebygger Ringkjøbing
Mette Marie Nielsdatter 36  Gift  Hans kone Warde
Faline Hansine Pedersen 16  Ugift  Deres barn Ølgaard sogn Ribe amt
Peter Jensen Søe 8  Ugift  Deres barn Ansager sogn Ribe amt
Niels Tranberg Søe 5  Ugift  Deres barn Heri sognet
Johan Pedersen Søe 2  Ugift  Deres barn Heri sognet

As you see, FT is not always reliable - Faline born in Ølgod 

Regards
Ruth

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

Ringkøbing 1815-1832, opslag 55 konfirmerede drenge 1821:
Last record: Jens Pedersen Søe, son of snedker (joiner/carpenter) Peder Jensen Søe and wife Johanne Iversdatter, baptised 15th of August 1806.

1793-1815, opslag 77 Peder Jensen Søe has a boy baptised 15th of August, born 30th of June.
Here his name is written as Iver (must be a mistake) but no doubt the correct baptism  Thats really a mistake to write the wrong name for the child!!

Never the less Jens was 5 years older than Mette Marie.

Ruth

[Inger Toudal]

It's Iver Pedersen Søe who is confirmed in Ringkøbing in 1821, baptized 15 Aug. 1806, so no mistake in the birth record.

His older brother Jens Pedersen Søe was born 14 Sept. 1804, baptized 13 Oct. 1804.

AO: Ringkøbing, Hind, Ringkøbing 1793-1815, opslag 67.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

Thanks Inger, its me who has not read well enough.

So we are back to 7 years between Jens and Mette Marie.

Ruth

[Antje Jacobsen]

Great Work you did!

I was going to show the now updated picture of the familytree
here for the community, but could not upload .pdf or .jpeg


Shall I send you the tree.pdf by email?
regards, Antje

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

That would be great.
Ruth

[Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen]

Hi Antje

Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Hejls, opslag 10

Falline Hansine Kirstine Christiansen
born 7th of oct.
baptised 24th of oct.
An illigimate child of the maid from Varde since 1. of Mai here in Hejls Mette Marie Nielsdttr .
Father of the child is glovemaker Peter Christiansen from Varde.

It also tells that Mette Marie is daughter of the late carpenter Niels Michelsen from Varde.

So a little more to do 

Regards
Ruth

[Antje Jacobsen]

Great work, I found the kirkebok Hejls 1826-1867
(first looked wrong at 1778-1837) and took a screenshot.

I can read Gothic well, but cannot read danish
So, as I understand the (18 year old) Mette Marie was then known as Nielsdatter,
but it is not mentioned, if the illigimate Falline was result of love or a worse event

(Perhaps better not to dig deeper ... Falline herself might not have known the fact,
she seems to have trusted Jens Pedersen Soe as her father, otherwise she would not
have called her son Jens Soe after him)

Hm, nevertheless I'll go now for the genetic father ...