Looking for the death of Caroline Marie Onsberg

[aileen young]

Iam looking for the death of my great grandmother's x4 sister or her daughter.

Caroline Marie Onsberg born 28 July 1769 at Horsens Vor Fresler, Skanderborg to parents Jens Rasmussen Onsberg and Metta Maria Jensdatter.

Caroline married Corporal Johan Frederich Sch_pfe in August 1 1792 , Horsens, Vor Fresler,Horsens.
A daughter Mette Sophie Sch_phe was born 23 December 1792, Horsens, Vor Fresler ,Horsens.

I have not been able to bring their names up in any of the census.

Any help would be appreciated.

Aileen Young

[Mette Lund]

Hi Aileen,

They are in Randers in 1801 but the daughter Mette Sophie is missing.

Randers, Støvring, Randers Købstad, Randers Købstad, , 232, FT-1801, B9189
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:      Stilling i husstanden:      Erhverv:      Fødested:
Johan Friderich Schiøpte   38    Gift   Husmand   Vagtmester ved Jydske Regiment lette dragoner   
Caroline Onsberg   23    Gift   Hans kone      
Jens Jørgensen Damgaard   36    Enke   Indkvarteret   Dragon ved Jydske Regiment lette Dragoner   
Maren   9    Ugift   Hans datter      
Svend Pedersen Grandslev   34    Gift   Indkvarteret   Dragon ved Jydske Regiment lette Dragoner   

Cheers,
Mette

[aileen young]

Thank you Mette,

I would never have found them as they do not come up on the English version.

It gives me something to work on.

Aileen

[Mette Lund]

Hi Aileen,

In fact, it is possible to find the 1801 record in the English version.

The probate record of Mette Marie Jensdatter (the mother of Caroline Marie Onsbjerg) states that Caroline Marie and husband are in Aarhus at the end of 1802.

2091 Mette Marie Jensdatter i Horsens. 17.12.1802, fol.436.
Enke efter Onsbjerg, vagtmester, skifte i den militære skifteret sluttet 12.4.1798. B: Jens, løjtnant, Carl Herman 24, korporal, Karen 18, Kirstine Elisabeth 34 på Klintholm på Lolland, Caroline Marie g.m. (married to) Schioffel, underofficer i 1. Jyske Regiment i Århus, Ottione g.m. Hartmann, kompagni kirurg i Fredericia.

Mette

[aileen young]

 Once again thank you so much Mette,

I didn't think to look up Caroline's mothers probate.

I did try again to get into the 1801 census for Caroline and her husband but again drew a blank I must not be putting in the right information.

I have been looking up the church records for their daughter Mette Sophie but haven't found her yet.

Aileen

[Mette Lund]

Hi Aileen,

Birth/Baptism of Mette Sophie:
Horsens Vor Frelser 1787 - 1813, opslag/page 46, No. 91 (last entry on the page).

Death of Mette Sophie:
Horsens Vor Frelser 1787 - 1813, opslag/page 230, No. 16 (March 1793 - The Daughter of Corporal Schöpfe, (13 weeks old)).
So this explains why she is not in the 1801 census.

Re 1801 census try this:

ddd.dda.dk/kiplink_en.htm -> autochek of database
Select county: Randers, Name contains: onsberg, census year: = 1801

This gives only one result: Caroline Onsberg, Age 23

Mette

[aileen young]

Thank you Mette for your help in getting the 1801 census of Caroline, and finding the death of Mette Sophie, I did see that record but thought it was for a soldier, without your help us only english side of the danish hertiage would be lost.

Would it be possible for you to help me getting into the probate of Mette Marie Jensdatter.

I can get into AO then into Andre Arkivalier then I become lost,

Aileen

[Lis Holm]

Dear Aileen,


I have read your request- look here:


Skanderborg, Nim, Horsens Købstad, Nørre Gaden, 8, 226, FT-1787, C4104
Jens Rasmussen Onsberg   49   Gift   husbonde   vagtmester ved det Slesvigske Cavalleri Regiment   
Mette Marie Jensdatter   48   Gift   hans kone      
Jens Onsberg   22   Ugift   deres barn   corporal ved det Slesvigske Cavalleri Regiment   
Caroline Onsberg   18   Ugift   deres barn      
Elleine Onsberg   10   Ugift   deres barn (Ottoine)      
Carl Onsberg   8   Ugift   deres barn      
Karen Onsberg   4   Ugift   deres barn      
Christen Justsen   35   Ugift   indkvarteret   rytter ved det Slesvigske Cavalleri Regiment   

Caroline – Siblings:
Jens Onsberg born 1801, Horsens
Ottoine, born 29/11 1775 Fredericia, Michaelis, married Gotfried Albert Hartmann in Horsens, Vor Frelser 15/8 1796 – died 4/11 1843 i Fredericia, Trinitatis
Frederikke born 1777, dead 1777 , Fredericia
Karl Hermann, born October 1778, Fredericia
Karen born 1783, Fredericia

I suggest, that you contact the DIS-member Helle Hartmann Nielsen – use Search for her name, then you got her email. She is ancestor of this family. She has more dates abt. the family!

Good luck!

Lis Holm 2730 

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Aileen

A census dated 15 Aug. 1769, when Caroline was only a few weeks old  

Skanderborg, Nim, Horsens Købstad, Nørregades roede, , Grønnegade, N89, FT-1769
Name:    Age:    Marital status:      Position in household:      Occupation:      
Vagtmæster Onsbergs koene Mette   29    -   koene [vagtmæster Onsberg]   -
Rasmus   8    -   1 søn [Vagmæster Onsbergs koene Mette]   -   
Jens   4    -   1 søn [Vagmæster Onsbergs koene Mette]   -   
Stine   1,5    -   1 datter [Vagmæster Onsbergs koene Mette]   -   
Karoline   0,038    -   1 datter [Vagmæster Onsbergs koene Mette]   -

Her father seems to be absent at the time of the census.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

[Mette Lund]

Hi Aileen,

Unfortunately, the probate records from Horsens are not online.

But I think I have located Johan Frederich.

Take a look at København, Sokkelund, Vor Frue, 1775-1813, Opslag/Page 116, first entry.

Marriage of Johan Frederich Schiöpfe (E.M.= widower) and Mette Marie Hansen.

In 1834 Census they are in Dronningens Tværgade 348. It is not on ddd.dda.dk but you can find it on http://www.sa.dk/ao/ -> Folketællinger -> Søg i folketællinger -> Vælg årgang (= 1834) -> Vælg stedbetegnelse (= København) -> Kvarter (= Skt. Annæ Vester Kvarter), Gade (= Dronningens Tværgade) -> Hent oplysninger. Opslag/Page 53.

The age of Johan Frederich seems right in relation to the 1801 census and note the daughter named Caroline Marie ... probably named after the first wife of Johan (that is Caroline Marie Onsberg).

Mette

[aileen young]

 Thank you for all your great infomation,

Helle Hartmann Neilsen and I have been corresponding for over a year now, she is related to me we share Ottoine Onsberg as a grandmother x 4.

Thank you Mette , the date of 1802 of Caroline being in Aarhus and her husband remarrying gives me some dates and places to look for her death.

I have been able to find all the other siblings deaths and their parents, Caroline is the last one.

Aileen