Looking for relatives from Møn with last name Vick/Vich/Wick/Wich in USA.

[Jane C]

Roger - I'll go look at Find-a-Grave to try to understand the problem of how to list this place on Find-a-Grave.

[Homer Ficken]

Roger - I'm deleting my answer and instead will go look at Find-a-Grave to try to understand the problem of how to list this place on Find-a-Grave.

Find-a-Grave does not provide the option of writing a city of your choice in the birth and death blocks, and their list of cities is incomplete for all countries.  But those blocks do not have to be used; the birth and death places can simply be listed in the Bio section.

[Jane C]

Okay, thanks Homer. So Roger, just add the grave to Denmark, and give the specific place name in the Bio section. Delete the Odense entry as that is inaccurate.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

Sorry Jane but it doesn't work that way.  A cemetery location must list a city and so as I said I put in Odense, just to have a city.  The cemetery city will be changed when FAG adds the correct information in their database.

Yes, in birth and death locations you can leave it blank but you can't create a cemetery without putting in a city, even if it is wrong. 

[Jane C]

Ah, too bad - so silly. But I suppose it has been Americans setting up Find-a-Grave and Americans mostly using it.

Homer seems to say that one does not have to choose a city when entering a grave, and you seem to say it is required. I don't understand about that, but it's not important for me to understand since I am not entering memorials on Find-a-Grave.

Our suggestion to them is to add amts as categories instead of the Danish "cities." Their list is confusing for several reasons. Some of those city names are amt names, or both city and amt, like New York, New York: Aabenraa, Aarhus, Copenhagen/København, Frederiksborg, Odense, Randers, Ribe, and Roskilde. In some cases they are naming a region (For example, Juelsminde is a town but also an area - like the Midwest, or the Keys, or the Lakes District of upstate New York). Geographically descriptive terms could go on bio pages but don't serve well as the major, stable categories. The list includes terms that are not parallel in size (for example, Falster. A parallel situation would be if my place is named as a US state, and your place is named as a U.S. county without giving the state. Or maybe the Falster entry is referrring to the island Falster).

By using amt, Find-a-Grave would parallel the USA practice of using state as the main category within a nation.

Until or unless that change is made, it's as if they've put Boston in Nevada, Houston in New Jersey, and Seattle in North Carolina. The longer the situation continues, the more snarled their Danish-related database will become.

I'm writing all this in case you want to work with Find-a-Grave about the issue. Otherwise, we can realize the problem isn't all that bad since we do get Find-a-Grave hits from a simple Google search. And in the main, it remains true that Find-a-Grave has been an invaluable resource to family historians.

Here are the Danish amts. Americans change Danish spellings as follows: substitute ø = oe, æ = ae

Aabenraa
Aalborg
Aarhus
Bornholm
Frederiksborg
Færøerne
Grønland
Haderslev
Hjørring
Holbæk
Holsten
København
Maribo
Odense
Præstø
Randers
Ribe
Ringkøbing
Roskilde
Skanderborg
Sorø
Svendborg
Sydslesvig
Sønderborg
Thisted
Tønder
Vejle
Viborg

[Jane C]

Apparently there is a Danish Find-a-Grave site:

http://www.findengrav.dk/

That explains a lot about the inadequacy of the USA site re. Danish burials.

[Homer Ficken]

Apparently there is a Danish Find-a-Grave site:

http://www.findengrav.dk/

That explains a lot about the inadequacy of the USA site re. Danish burials.

But they don't list either Elmelunde or Stege.

[Jane C]

Too bad. Thanks Homer.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

You guys are making way too much of this cemetery city location thing.  Yes it needs to be corrected and I've now sent three separate emails to FAG and we will fix it.  Right now the cemetery has the wrong city listed but in the description I was able to put in the correct information, as I know it.

Homer is correct in that you don't have to list birth and death cities and you can write the information in the bio but cemeteries don't work that way.

We will correct it when we finally get in touch with the correct person at FAG and when that happens, as the creater of the Elmelunde Church Cemetery, I will correct the city.

Jane, thanks for the correct list of amts.  I sent that on to FAG too!

We'll get there.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

Ole Brodersen, I'm one of those waiting for that list of 101 relatives.  Do you have it in a Family Tree Program or what format do you have it in?

Once we get this cemetery amts changed then maybe we can go on and find the sister that came to the US.  That would really be something.

Thanks everyone.  You've been a great help to me.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

Got this email from FAG today and wanted to show you that they are working on the problem.

The following shows color coded status updates for international countries.
Blue - Primary cleanup complete, 1st level administration not active
Green - Primary cleanup complete, 1st level administration active, where applicable
Red - Defunct and marked for removal
* next to the country means it will contain 1st level administration when active

Preliminary Cleanup means assigning "States" to unassigned cemeteries and cities. Does not mean adding additional place names to the database. That is still to come.

Currently there are about 400,000 place names in the database. This number will rise to over 4 million as depth is added to international locations.

If you need to use an historical location, you should reference it in the bio of either the cemetery or memorial in question. Accounting for every border change over 10,000+ years is just not feasible.

Work continues on the background cleanup of "state" names in the database. This will remove duplicates from the list. For those countries which currently show a "state" level, you may see "z-" in the front or *dupe* or *delete* after the name. If you have previously used one of these now showing as such, it will revert to just the country name as the duplicate or inaccurate "state" is removed. Once this gets completed, I can start to update each countries place name database.


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[Lise Østerberg Bahr]

Hello Roger.

I am interested, would like to be invited.

Thanks in forward.

Regards from
I. LISE ØSTERBERG BAHR
e-mail: ilha@sol.dk

fam.resurch after: (look also fam.names in www.Adelby.com - Bahr, Detlefsen, Christophersen, Richertsen, Hinrichsen, HORN/Vilhelm Hansen/ Grosse Strasse.

TAPETENFABRIK von Bahr in Flensburg

and more from area around the town FLENSBURG, HAMBURG (ALTONA) and in Schleswig Holstein, like Eckernförde, in Bildschau and Sankelmark, Carsten Samuel Wilhelm was Gastwirt and Amtsvorsteher = in German) a kind of head of the city.

Millmen in Mills in (HUSBY MÜHLE, Dollerup (Mühle),  Munkbrarup, Hodderup and died in Grossen Wiehe.

Reated: ÅBENRÅ, TØNDER, HADERSLEV m.m. (from 1920 danish again) -GENFORENINGEN in 1920. look also for the story of HARMONIEN, 1799 - 1849 - 1949 - of SELSKABET HARMONIEN, HADERSLEV (BORGERFORENINGEN). maby startet by Carsten Samuel Vilhelm Bahr in Flensburg once.

Vest Indies like Sct. Croix.

look also for:
BAHR RELATET FAMILIES: from Hamburg Altona like:
BAHR UND GERKENS Goldenleistenfabrik now a Museum, Bahr und Gerkens.

Thomsen/Hansen/Bahr family in Petersdorf on Fehmarn, PETERS MÛHLE = Peters Mill).
for:
look also for:

Maria Amalia Christina  and Carsten Samuel Bahr 1789 in Stendten Mühle (Stendten Mill) related to Johan Friedrich von Zepelin 1798. Son Melchior Johann von Zepelin zu Dargun, and Charlotte Magdalene born von Walsleben. (STAMMTAFEL BAHR).

Walsleben (Zepelin zu Dargun) und/Bahr in Mecklenburg,
look also for:
Major - Overloutennant, who calls him selv FEHRINGSCHILD = Christian Fehring from Hennstedt (in the year 1677) / Bahr
for:

Claus Hinsellmann 1627 in Neumünster - member of (in german =Tuchmachergilde - (a kind of af union for CLOTHING - and remenber the ships (Sails).


AND 15 children and 45 grandchildren went to USA -
Illwakee, Wisconsin. about the year 1900 + ./.


Not quite confirmed:
in Nørlyng, Viborg, (Sorte Brødre) = Abildgaard Schrøder/Fog, stepparrents to Johan Peter Egvad Østerberg./Helsingør his father Lars Østerberg maby came from Sveden.

I could use some help - about this - can explain nessasarry details later- and I am looking for SCHRØDER FAMILY - like PER SCHRØDER m.fl. about  1.5 YEAR AGO.

ØSTERBERG and Bahr in Øster Farimagsgade 24 or 27.
My great grandmother Marie Cecilie Louise Bahr, came from FLENSBURG married Niels André Østerberg about 1896 ? - where the house also was build.

[Lise Østerberg Bahr]

...
and in Husby in Handewitt, the HÔCK brothers Peter Höck, born 1.1.1837 in Markerup,  på and Maria Lorentzen Post 1845 (22.2.1845  married) and Claus Erich Möck, born 1.7.1839 Markerup married to Meta Catharina OTZEN, who byed our great great grandfather out of the MILL in 1865 after the War - the DÛBBØL war.

One of the names here :
=
Hans Joannes Martensen, Jacob, 20-..3.1875, marries in Medelby Anna Maria Nissen. (look Anna Christina Bahr, Nissen Jensen family/ www.alsnissen.dk)

kind regards from
Lise Østerberg Bahr

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

Been awful quiet on here since we made contact.

I'm still waiting for those pictures.  Hope you and your son are not having health problems.

[Lis B. Jensen]

Hi Roger

I spoke to Grethe 1/4-2012 - and there she was well. i Have tried to call her - but maybe she is out of the house for Easter.

I will Try again to morrow

[Lis B. Jensen]

Hi Roger

have just Spoken to Grethe - she is Okay - but are still strgling a litlle after her ilness - and her 80th Bitrhday has also taken energy.

I should send Yoy her regards and tell You tahat she haven't forgot the pictures - but they have to find a way to send them for you.

Hope she returns with an answer to You.

Happy Easter fro Denmark

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

Thanks so much Liz,

I'm not trying to rush her.  I can handle the photos any way she has access to them.  If we need to go to a photo studio and get them copied, I will gladly pay for doing that or they can be sent by email.  Whichever is easier for her.

Thanks again.

[Lis B. Jensen]

Hi Roger

I am sure Grethe will get hold at how to do it - and send them for You. If it's nessecary I will go and help her in some way.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

A great big thank you to Grethe for sending me pictures of individuals and photos of wedding certificates and such.  It was really a pleasure to see this information and to corresponde with her.

Now I'm getting more and more interested in trying to chase down Christiana, the daughter of Hans Peter, Mads & Christian, who reported came to America too.  I've heard Chicago area but have no records to support that idea.  The more I think about it, I'm pretty sure that the nephew in America with the wedding photo of Hjalmer and his wife has to be a son of Christiana who came to America.  It makes it really difficult to search from this end because we don't know Christiana's married name.  We'll just keep hoping.

Thanks everybody for all your help and encouragement.

[Roger Kenneth Vick]

While looking for information on Christiana with a son called Hjalmer in US, I found this information on Ancestry and there were some things that really caught my interest.  Spruce Hill, Douglas, Minnesota is the place where Hans Peter and Mads both settled and married and started their families.  Birth year for Christiana would be 1855 and her actual birth date should be 1847 and her parents should have been born in Denmark, I think although we're not sure about that.  They came from the Holstein area of Germany but not sure that is where they were born.

Name Hjalmer is a very unusual name here in America and Christiana is spelled slightly different but that is not unusual.

Also we have always had an Auntie Peterson, who was a cousin of Hans Peter and Mads Vick that we have never been able to identify for sure because we don't know her first name. 

Name:   Hjalmer A Peterson
Gender:   Male
Birth Year:   abt 1896
Birthplace:   Minnesota
Race:   White
Home in 1930:   Spruce Hill, Douglas, Minnesota
Marital Status:   Married
Relation to Head of House:   Head
Spouse's Name:   Hanna E Peterson
Father's Name:   Peter G Peterson
Father's Birthplace:   Sweden
Mother's Name:   Christina L Peterson
Mother's Birthplace:   Sweden
Household Members:   Name   Age
Hjalmer A Peterson 34
Hanna E Peterson 35
Earl R Peterson 5
Glenn R Peterson 4 [4 1/12]
Petra C Peterson 2
Peter G Peterson 66
Christina L Peterson 75