Elly Larsine Elisabeth

[Judith Olsen]

Hi Trisha

Skt Paul 1892-1900, opslag 316, # 194:

It is the churchrecord for her birth and christening - and you find it on:

http://www.sa.dk/ao/SoegeSider/Kirkeboeger.aspx

Amt (county) = København
Sogn (parish) = Skt. Paul

[Lissa Pedersen]

Hi Trisha,

Go to www.arkivalieronline.dk (instructions for use: www.utilis.dk).

Then click "Kirkebøger" (= church books) and then "Søg i kirkebøger" (= search the church books) - next step in county choose "København", next district "Sokkelund" and finally "Skt. Paul". Now find 1892-1900 and click to download (you need Java!) - and then find the opslag No. 316 and #194.

I hope this works!

Lissa

[Judith Olsen]

Note - its ops. 316 !

[Lissa Pedersen]

This could be Jens Peter Hans Frederiksen with parents and sister in 1880:

kbhv, København (Staden), Farvergade, Farvergade 19, 137, , 85, FT-1880
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Lars Frederiksen 40  Gift Husfader Bud (tender) Ousted Sogn !!
Anna Elisabeth Frederiksen 42  Gift Hans Kone  Farum Sogn, Frederiksborg Amt
Jens Peder Hans Frederiksen 13  Ugift Deres Søn  København
Anna Margrethe Frederiksen 9  Ugift Deres Datter  København

And he could be here in 1885 with mother (married) and sister:

kbhv, København (Staden), Lille Istedgade (Lige numre), Kjøbenhavn Udenbys Vester Kvarter, , Lille Istedgade 6,matr.221 Forhus 2.Sal, 27, FT-1885
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Ane Elisabet Frederiksen 47  Gift Husmoder  Farum Soven wrong spelling = sogn = parish),Frederiksborg
Jens Peder Frederiksen 18  Ugift Barn Bagersvend (baker) Kjøbenhavn
Ane Maghrete (wrong spelling!) Frederiksen 14  Ugift Barn Tjenneste Kjøbenhavn

Lars is here in 1885:

kbhv, København (Staden), Frederiksholms Kanal (Lige numre), Kjøbenhavn Vester Kvarter, , Frederiksholms Kanal 18,matr.242B Forhus 2.Sal, 5, FT-1885
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Emil Zeuthen Svitzer 79  Gift Husfader Grosserer Reerslev
Ida Christine Svitzer 77  Gift Husmoder  Kjøbenhavn
Elise Amalie Henriette Erika Petersen 28  Ugift Tyende  Korsør
Kirsten Marie Jensen 33  Ugift Tyende  Engelstrup
Bodil Christine Petersen 34  Ugift Tyende  Vexebo
Lars Frederiksen 45  Gift Tyende (servant)  Ousted
Christian Lorentzen 29  Ugift Tyende  Holbæk
Thorvald Christiansen 33  Ugift Tyende  Høireby

Here you will find both Lars Frederiksen's and Ane Elisabeth's deaths: http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=3321805&searchname=polit_simple

Lissa

[Lissa Pedersen]

On this website you can read memories (if you can translate from Danish) of people having lived in Valby, and you will also find a very nice old photo from Valby Langgade showing at the far left end the corner of Smedestraede: http://www.erindringer.dk/valby

The photo is from around 1910.

You will also to the right find a map section of Valby from 1896.

Lissa

[John Wrenholt]

The 1901 Census (Ny Kongensgade ops 62) and the 1906 Census (Ny Kongensgade ops 60) show that Lars Frederiksen had a "sønensøn" named Hjalmar Fernando Frederiksen living with them. He was born Jan 29, 1893 in Frederikshavn.  Could he be Elly's brother?

His birth record is 1892-1896 Frederikshavn, Horns, Hjørring ops 23.  His parents are Jens Peter Hans Frederiksen and Ane Kirstine Jensen!

Here is the 1890 census showing Jens Peter Hans working as a stoker on a fishing boat.

Hjørring, Horns, Frederikshavn Købstad, Skibe i Havnen, , "Frederikshavn", , FT-1890
Magnus Christiansen   22   Ugift      Fisker   Elling Sogn, Hjørring Amt
Jens Peder Pedersen   16   Ugift      Fisker   Elling Sogn, Hjørring Amt
Niels Chr. Jensen   56   Gift      Maskinmester   Frederikshavn
Marius Anton Carl Mikkelsen   27   Ugift      Maskinmester   Skive
Axel Heinrich Bumasballe   22   Ugift      Tømmerman   Birkerød Sogn, Frederiksborg Amt
Jens Peter Hans Frederiksen   23   Ugift      Fyrbøder   Kjøbenhavn
Jens Nielsen   20   Ugift   Barn   Fisker   Frederikshavn

[John Wrenholt]

Elly's maternal grandmother was born Sidse Kirstine Larsdatter (May 31, 1832).  Her birth is recorded in the Skævinge, Strø, Frederiksborg churchbook (ops 79).

Here she is in the 1840 census:

Frederiksborg, Strø, Skævinge, skjævinge bye, , huus, 58, FT-1840

Lars Magnussen   47   Gift      arbejdsmand   
Ellen Nielsdtr.   39   Gift      konen.   
Ole Larsen   13   Ugift      deres børn   
Sidse Kirstine Larsdtr.   8   Ugift      do   
Hans Larsen   4   Ugift      do   

[Inger Toudal]

Hi Trisha,

Maybe you could do with a translation of Elly's birth and baptismal record?

København, Sokkelund, Skt Paul 1892-1900, opslag 316, # 194:

[birth date and place]
1896, 22 Oct. Rosengade 12, 1st floor
P. Olsen [name of midwife?]

[name of the child]
Elly Elisabeth Larsine Frederiksen
Bertelsen Royal permission dated 19 Dec. 1907

[parents]
Frederiksen, Jens Peter Hans, worker
wife Ane Kirstine Jensen, 33 y
Adoptive parents: houseowner Christian Bertelsen
and wife Augusta Mathilde Jensen

[baptism]
18 Nov. 1896 Lützhøft at home
presented in church 8 Aug. 1897

[witnesses]
Delivery man Lars Frederiksen and wife Elisabeth
                                                 Frederiksgade 21
unmarried Christian Christiansen, Rosengade 12

[remarks]
Married 2 Aug. 1891    Denmark

You can type Rosengade in this link to see a map where the street is marked:

http://www.fogsgaard.org/index.php/kobenhavnske-gader

About Saint Paul's Church, Copenhagen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul%27s_Church,_Copenhagen

http://www.sanktpauls.dk/

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Trisha Weathers]

Lissa and Judith,  I was able to get onto www.arkivalieronline.dk.  My mom and I are looking for Elly now!

John was able to find Jens Peter Hans working as a stoker on a fishing boat.  Does anyone know what a stoker is?

Also, what is the purpose for the two middle names?

[Trisha Weathers]

Inger,

Thank you for the translation.  That did help a lot.

I will become an expert in Danish soon by continuing my research on a regular basis!

[Trisha Weathers]

John, I think you may have found Elly's brother!

[Inger Toudal]

Trisha,

Having looked at the censuses 1901 and 1906, which John refers to, I realized that I gave you the wrong translation for Lars Frederiksen's profession. In the censuses his occupation is Kontorbud, i.e. 'messenger', not delivery man.

In Elly's birth record his profession is Bud, which could be translated both ways.

If you would like to look up the censuses yourself:

http://www.sa.dk/ao/ -> Folketællinger -> Søg i folketællinger -> FT-1901 (or FT-1906) -> København -> Ny Kongensgade -> Click "Hent oplysninger"

Stoker 'person whose job is to stoke fires, especially on a ship or a steam train' (stoke 'add coal or wood to a fire').

Best regards,
Inger T.

[Trisha Weathers]

Thank you for the update and the further explanations, Inger.

[Trisha Weathers]

So far in this research in this forum, we see that the last name Frederiksen is carried through three different generations instead of the child taking their father's first name as their last?

[Trisha Weathers]

Do either of these sites give reason of death, provide their burial site, or offer any type of information surrounding their death (besides dates)?

There are is for Jens Peter Hans Fredericksen, and his wife Ane Kirstine Jensen.

http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=3321721&searchname=polit_simple


The death of Ane Christine - København, Vor Frue 1892-1914, ops. 180, no 23.


Thanks