Rathleff

[Linus Rathleff-Nielsen]

Hello everyone!

I'm from Sweden and speak some danish but I will stick to english since it's my second language.
My great grandmother, Ane Marie Nielsen, born Rathleff in 1897 to Kristian Frederik Rathleff and Mikkeline Johanne Christensen, I am not sure where she was born, possibly in Sig.

Kristian Frederiks parents were: Hans Friedrich Rathlev (born in Belau, Germany in 1819) and Maria Dorothea Süfske.
Since I'm not so good at danish I don't know where to go from here. I would like to find out where the Rathleff/Rathlev's came from, who were Hans Friedrich parents? Where did they come from?

Thank you for reading!

[Jens Thomassen]

Hi

Have a look on this:

http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?1,400395,400395

I think it is your family.

[Linus Rathleff-Nielsen]

Yes, you're absolutely right. The problem is that the thread is over 3 years old and I don't know how to contact this Tim Rathleff Hansen who seems to know alot about the family.

[Lissa Pedersen]

Use the free Danish telephone directory: www.degulesider.dk - and you will find him.

Lissa

[Jens Thomassen]

Hi

The Rathlef family are noted in "Folketælling 1880" for Givskud Sogn (Parish)

Have a look in the original record on www.arkivalieronline.dk

Search in: Søg i Folketællinger, 1880, Landsogn, Vejle Amt, Givskud Sogn, opslag (page) 45.

[Linus Rathleff-Nielsen]

Thank you very much
That's a very interesting find.

And I'll contact Tim Rathleff and ask him if he knows anything about the Rathleff's ancestors.
If anyone should find anything else, please post it here!

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

Hi Linus,

I don't know if this will help, but I found a 1719 birth record in the Tureby, Fakse, Præsø church book, opslag 119, last record on the right side, that mentions an Andreas Rathlef.  It is the birth of Jens to Ellen Jensdatter.  Since I don't know Danish, perhaps a kind Dane will translate the record and see what Andreas' relation is.

Best regards from the USA,
Paul

[Ralph Rasmussen]

This is the baptism of Jens, presumably Andreasen, since he is the illegitimate son of Ellen Jensdatter and  Andreas Ratlef. 

On the other hand, we find that Andreas is a vintner from Vallø, of Vallø/Valløby parish.  He may have legitimate children or nephews in that part of Præstø amt.

mvh
-Ralph

[Paul Londahl-Smidt]

I have found Hans Friedrich Ratlev and his wife in the tilgangliste for Givskud, 1858, opslag 27 nrs. 38 and 40.  Unfortunately, I cannot read what parish they came from.  Perhaps a kind Dane with better ability will be able to find out.

Sincerely,
Paul

[Jens Thomassen]

Hi

I have found Hans Friedrich Ratlev and his wife in the tilgangliste for Givskud, 1858, opslag 27 nrs. 38 and 40.  Unfortunately, I cannot read what parish they came from.  Perhaps a kind Dane with better ability will be able to find out.

This record not easy to read, but gives much information about Hans Friederich and his wife.
I can see that Hans Friederich came from Nykirke Parish (On AO: Øster Nykirke Parish).And the
priest has noted something about "tilgang/afgang" from Nykirke.

In the FT 1860 for Givskud parish (Vejle Amt) the family is noted on "opslag 10" - right part.

[Martin Münster]

Hi everybody,

I know it's been quite a few years since anything has been posted in the thread, but I'll try my luck.

I wonder if any of you have found out anything more since 2011? Perhaps the origins of Hans Friedrich Rathlev or his wife?
I've been trying to track their movements backwards yet without any luck. As you wrote, Jens, 'Tilgangsliste' from 1858 states that they moved to Givskud Parish from Nykirke, though it doesn't mention exactly what 'Nykirke' it refers to. Øster Nykirke would be rather likely since it is very close ti Givskud.
I have then been looking for them in the "Afgangsliste"-register in Øster Nykirke, but I couldn't find them here. Also, 'Folketælling 1860' from Givskud states that they live with their two children, Dorathea Frederikke Rathleff and Kristian Frederik Rathleff. At this time, Dorthea is 6 years old, meaning she must have been born in either 1853 or 1854; before they moved to Givskud.
I checked in the birth registry for both Vester Nykirke (close to Bramming) and Øster Nykirke (close to Givskud), yet she didn't appear in any of them in neither 1853 nor 1854. It has led me to susbect that 'Tilgangsliste' actually refers til Nykirke in today's Germany, just south of Tønder. Do you have any thoughts on this? Or perhaps one of you have actually found documentation of their presence in Øster Nykirke?
In relation to this I can mention, that I have managed to find both Kristian Frederik Rathleff and two of his sons, Hans Frederik Rathleff (b. 1893) Theodor  Carl Frederik Rathleff (b. 1895), all three in Givskud.

Either way, 'Folketælling 1860' mentions that Hans Friedrich Rathleff (the older one) and Maria Dorathea Süphke were born in Slesvig (possibly just the region), for 'Tilgangsliste' says "Født i Belau ved xxxx Gods Schönböken", but we knew that already. Have any of you tracked them further back than Givskud? I hope to be able to get all the way back to Schönböken to find out what his relation to this place is.

Kind Regards
Martin (Rathleff) Münster (DK)

[Inger Toudal]

Tilgangsliste Givskud 1858: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618999#384509,74087155 - No 38, 40 & 43

- Hvorfra ankommen: Nykirke, uden der at være ført enten ?? Til- eller Afgang.

1860 Census, Givskud: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid14423384
Daughter Dorothea Caroline Frederikke:

1880 Census, Jelling: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10320071 - see Original Source

Married 30 Dec. 1879 in Jelling:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21619109#385249,74111392 - No 11

- born in Holsten 6 Jul. 1854

Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal

[Martin Münster]

Hold da fast, tusind tak skal du have!

Det gør også Nykirke-spørgsmålet lidt mere interessant. Godt nok fortæller det ikke noget om forbindelsen til Nykirke, men det antyder jo, at Dorathea Caroline Frederikke Rathleff er født, mens Hans Friedrich Rathleff og Maria Dorathea Süphke stadig var omkring Belau og Schönböken, der jo ligger i Holsten.

Måske, det endda antyder et motiv til at tage rejsen nordpå.

Endnu en gang, tak :-)

[Inger Toudal]

Ifølge tilgangslisten 1858 er datteren Dorothea Caroline Friedericas dåbsattest udstedt af Ivers, præst i Bovenau, dateret 30. juni 1858.

Broderen Christian Friederich bliver født 1. aug. 1858 i Givskud:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618999#397291,74432413 - nr. 11

Venlig hilsen
Inger

[Inger Buchard]

Martin skrev:
that 'Tilgangsliste' actually refers til Nykirke in today's Germany,

Der findes  flere sogne med navnet Nykirke i S-H: Neukirchen i Angel, dvs. øst for Flensburg; Neukirchen syd for Tønder, Neukirchen nord for Eutin se http://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/object_352845

Inger Buchard

[Inger Toudal]

FT-1880, Givskud sogn: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid11431225 - se fanebladet Original Kilde

FT-1901, Givskud sogn: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid16745183

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=21448#21448,1980285

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=21448#21448,1980725

- Maria Rathleff, f. 1825, gift 1852, ægtefælle død 1891.

Hans Frederik Ratlef dør 25. marts 1891:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618999#397294,74432586 - nr. 4

Maria Dorothea Süfcke dør 20. maj 1904:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17122996#162600,27318938 - nederst

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17122980#162564,27313364 - nr. 8

- hendes forældre, fødested og fødselsdato oplyst.

Kunne eventuelt være Brux i Westensee: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westensee_(Gemeinde)

Venlig hilsen
Inger T.

[Martin Münster]

Det er helt fantastisk med jeres hjælp, tusind tak skal I have. Det var godt nok interessant at få noget omkring Marias forældre så langt tilbage, og om deres datter Dorathea Caroline Frederikke Rathleffs fødsel i Holsten, der måske kan forklare et motiv til at rejse væk fra deres egen.
Igen, mange tak for assistancen.

Med venlig hilsen
Martin