Help transcribing church record

Startet af Erik Schaefer, 09 Nov 2011 - 07:02

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Erik Schaefer

This record is pretty clear, but I still can't read it.  If someone could type it in Danish (or English) that would be fantastic.

Churchbook:  Taps, Nørre Tyrstrup, Vejle  1793-1852  opslag 395 #6

Should be the burial record of Peter Rasmussen Gellert.  I can read the dates of his birth and death, but everything else is a mystery.  It looks like his father's name was Rasmus Petersen if I am reading it correctly.

I can barely make out Peter's wife's first name Marie.

a full transcription would be much appreciated.

PS- In the FT-1835 his wife's name was "Maria Catharina Matztochter".  But in the FT-1845 she is living with their oldest son, and she is listed as "Maria Schulz".  I do not know why there is a difference.  I don't know if either one would help you read their names.

Thank you in advance.
Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads

Erik Schaefer

Also, I have his confirmation record attached below, which I cannot read.  My best guess:

Peder Gelle son of farm owner and churchkeeper Peder Rasmussen
Skovrup, born 6 March 1820, ??? ??? 18 Jun 1823 ???

Is 18 Jun 1823 when he was innoculated for smallpox?



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Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads

Inger Buchard

The transcription:
Peter Rasmussen Gellert, Aftægts-
gaardmand og Kirke-Jurat, var født
paa Sk..rup Ao 1770 den 9 Decbr. af
sal. Ægteforældre, daværende Gaardfolk
Rasmus Petersen og Hustrue Dorthe
Ankersdatter. I Aaret 1797 den 1ste
Juli giftede han sig med daværende Pige
Maria Kathrine Schultz af ..strup,
som efterlever ham. Ved hende blev
han fader til 4 Sønner og 3 Døttre,
som alle ere i Live. Han var Kirke-
værte næsten i 20 Aar. Han opnaaede
en Alder af 66 Aar 7 Md. Hans efter-
levende Børn og Børnebørn ere:
1.   Dorthe Gellert, gift med Hans Petersen Hør-
lyk, Gaardmand og Sandemand i B..strup.
og med ham Moder til 5 nulevende
Børn:
a. Peter Hansen, b. Kirstine,
c. Peter Rasmus, d. Maria Kathrine
og e. Bodil, alle med tilnavn Hørlyk
og alle endnu ugift
2.   Valburg Gellert
gift med Christoffer Bramsen i Bjert
og med ham Moder til nu levende 4 Børn:
a Christian b. Peter, c. Simon, d. Ras-
mus, alle med Tilnavn Bramsen
3.   Rasmus Gellerrt
4.   Matthias Gellert
5.   Agnes Hedvig Gellert
6.   Hans Gellert
7.   Peter Gellert

Maria Catharina's father would have been Matz Schultz; the different naming corresponds the two naming traditions: patronymic after the name of the father Matz and modern after the family name (tilnavn in this entry) Schultz

I think, you know the place names already

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Erik Schaefer

Thank you!  I don't know the birth place of Maria.  Could you please tell me that.



Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads

Inger Buchard

Citat fra: Erik Schaefer Dato 09 Nov 2011 - 09:18
Also, I have his confirmation record attached below, which I cannot read.  My best guess:

Peder Gelle son of farm owner and churchkeeper Peder Rasmussen
Skovrup, born 6 March 1820, ??? ??? 18 Jun 1823 ???

Is 18 Jun 1823 when he was innoculated for smallpox?



Almost correct:
Peder Gellert son of farm owner and churchkeeper Peder Rasmussen
in Skovrup, born 6 March 1820, vaccinated 18 Jun 1823 (against smallpox)

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Erik Schaefer

Dorthe Gellert's husband Hans Petersen Hørlyk is listed as both a farm owner and a "Sandemand".  What is that word?  From what I can tell that translates into some sort of town official, but I'm not sure.
Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads

Erik Schaefer

Ok now I am confused and concerned.  I am hoping someone can help.

Up above, one of Peter Rasmussen Gellert's children is Agnes Hedvig Gellert.  I have not yet searched for her data, but I know two of her brothers (Rasmus and Peter) were both born in Taps.

My concern comes from another branch of my tree which I had asked for help here:
http://www.slaegtogdata.dk/forum/index.php/topic,22894.msg120944.html#msg120944

Look at Agnes Hedvig Gellert on these FT:

ribe, Anst, Hjarup, Hjarup Bye, en Gaard, 55, FT-1845, B7217
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Michel Thomsen   44    Gift      Gaardeier   Her i Sognet
Agnes Hedevig Geller   35    Gift      Kone   Taps S. Haderslev A.
Kirsten Michelsen   12    Ugift      Barn   Her i Sognet
Marie Katrine Michelsen   10    Ugift      Barn   Her i Sognet
Marie Michelsen   8    Ugift      Barn   Her i Sognet
Peder Michelsen   4    Ugift      Barn   Her i Sognet
Thomas Michelsen   2    Ugift      Barn   Her i Sognet

ribe, Anst, Hjarup, Hjarup, en Gaard, 33, FT-1850, C4128
Navn:    Alder:    Civilstand:    Stilling i husstanden:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Michel Thomsen   49    Gift      Gaardmd, Huusfader   I Sognet [Hjarup]
Agnes Hedvig Geller   40    Gift      hans Kone   Taps, Haderslev A.
Kirsten Michelsen   17    Ugift      deres Børn   I Sognet [Hjarup]
Marie Katrine Michelsen   15    Ugift      deres Børn   Do [i Sognet [ Hjarup ]]
Marie Michelsen   13    Ugift      deres Børn   Do [i Sognet [ Hjarup ]]
Peder Michelsen   9    Ugift      deres Børn   Do [i Sognet [ Hjarup ]]
Thomas Michelsen   7    Ugift      deres Børn   Do [i Sognet [ Hjarup ]]
Niels Thomsen Michelsen   1    Ugift      deres Børn   Do [i Sognet [ Hjarup ]]



Is this the same Agnes Hedvig Gellert?  Her age and the fact she was born in Taps seem to indicate the likelihood.  If this is the same woman, then I am confused, because it means her brother married her daughter.   That cannot be, can it?
Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads

Erik Schaefer

Agnes Hedvig Gellert's birth record from Taps, Vejle in 1810.

Looks like her father is Peter Rasmussen Gellert and Marie Katherine Schultz just as listed above in my original message.

So if I have this correctly, here is my concern:


Peter Rasmussen and Marie Katherine Schultz had 7 children, but two in particular are:

-Agnes Hedvig Gellert (b. 23 Feb 1810 in Taps)
-Peter Petersen Gellert (b.6 mar 1820 in Taps)

Agnes marries Michel Thomassen  (Mikkel Thomsen) and they have six children, but among them:
-Kirsten Michelsdatter (later changed to Kirsten Michelsen) born 24 Jun 1833 in Hjarup, Vejle


That Kirsten Michelsdatter married Peter Petersen Gellert listed above....so he married his niece?  The church would not have allowed that, would they?

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Research areas of interest:
Hjarup / Vamdrup / Sonder Broby / Taps/ Vantinge

Gammel Rye / Them/ Vrads