Hans Madsen and Karen Westesdatter in Sorø amt, Vester Flakkebjerg, Kirkerup

[Kerry Larson]

1.  I could use some help with this betrothal/marriage record for Hans Madsen and Karen Westesdatter in Sorø amt, Vester Flakkebjerg, Kirkerup.  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17116730#152776,25439562 or https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8944-8N6B?view=explore&groupId=M96M-3FC or http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=152776&side=48&height=1208, first entry under 1768 on left page.  I believe it says that Hans Madsen and Karen Westesdatter in Kirkerup were betrothed on 16 Oct 1768 and married on 4 December.  Groomsmen were Hans Westes: from Esholte and Lars ??? in Kirkerup.  Could you confirm/correct?

2.  If someone is feeling generous, I could use help in locating their baptism records.  According to census and OE, Hans Madsen was born in 1740 and Karen Westesdatter in 1739.  I was unable to identify a baptism record for either of them in the same parish.  1740 baptisms begin at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9944-8JCN?i=364&cc=2078555&cat=408906 or https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17116730#152775,25439446 if you would consider looking at a few nearby pages.

OE C2435
1787 census:  https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid836561
1801 census:  https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1786579

In the betrothal record, I believe that Hans Westesen is her brother.  If he's from Esholte, that's in the same parish so I'm hoping her baptism record is also here.

Thanks very much.

[Kerry Larson]

Could this be a baptism record for Hans Madsen?  FamilySearch  Top left. The minister appears to be spelling Mads as Mas, and I can't tell which name is the child's.

Or right page, 2nd under 1741?

Or this page, 2nd on left?

[Kerry Larson]

I located the betrothal/marriage record in Sankt Mikkel, Slagelse, Soro, Denmark for her likely brother Hans Westesen:  FamilySearch  His father's name is Weste Pedersen.  Does it say where he is from?

Edit:  1805 burial record for a Weste Pedersen (or wife Anna Jensdatter?) in Ottestrup sogn - Salldata Link Top right

[Kerry Larson]

I located the betrothal/marriage record in Sankt Mikkel, Slagelse, Soro, Denmark for her likely brother Hans Westesen:  FamilySearch  His father's name is Weste Pedersen.  Does it say where he is from?

Wrong marriage record for Hans Westesen.  Correct record at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17116730#152776,25439562 to Ane Wolmarsdatter.  Just above marriage record between his sister Karen Westesdatter and Hans Madsen.

[Judith Olsen]

I found this:

Kilde:    OE-1771
Mandens navn:    Veste Jensen   Mandens erhverv:    Dagleyere
Mandens alder:    68   Mandens civilstand:    Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:    1   Mand død (ja/nej):    Nej
Hustru død (ja(nej):    Nej   Hustrus alder:    60
Hustrus civilstand:    Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:    1
Sogn:    Lynge   Herred:    Alsted
Amt:    Sorø   Stednavn:    4
Indtastningsnr:    C0627   Løbenr.:    121



   
Lynge, konfirmerede:
Opslag 10, 1758 – Karen Vestesdatter

Lynge, 1731 - :
Opslag 10, højre side, Dom Judica 1737 – Karen
Opslag 16, højre side, 22. p. Trin 1742 - Sidse

Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Krummerup, Haldager, , 90, FT-1787, B6049
Navn:    Alder:    Status:    Stilling i familien:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Hans Westesen     54     Gift     Mand     Huusmand, Dagleier      
Anne Wormsdatter     50     Gift     hans Kone           
Sophie Hansdatter     9     Ugift     [deres Børn]           
Karen Hansdatter     7     Ugift     [deres Børn]        

Sorø, Alsted, Lynge, Eskildstrup Bye [Lynge-Eskilstrup], , 2, FT-1801, B7323
Navn:    Alder:    Status:    Stilling i familien:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Hans Westesen     66     Gift                
Anne Wolmarsdatter     62     Gift             

If you look at the baptism of Hans Westensens children in Kirkerup parish you can see that Hans Madsen, the wife of Hans Madsen and Sidse Westensdatter are sponsors

[Kerry Larson]

Thank you Judith!  That's very generous of you to find all those records.  I had finally worked out that Karen Westesen's father had to be Veste Jensen of Lynge, but I couldn't locate her baptism record.  Looking at the record you found, I still can't make out the names.  I see a person whose name starts with a Y and I don't see Karen.  Could you please translate her baptism record?  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17117101#153431,25560548  Are W and Y interchangeable at the start of some Danish names?  Thanks again.

[Kerry Larson]

I started new topic for Hans Madsen (and parents):  https://forum.slaegt.dk/index.php/topic,197497.0.html

[Ole Westermann]

See my writing at https://forum.slaegt.dk/index.php/topic,197512.0.html

[Kerry Larson]

Jeg skriver på engelsk, så du kan sende det videre til Kerry:

Dom Judica hafde Ventiin fra Flin-          that's not Veste Jensen
terop Een datter til Daaben
kaldet Karen, Rasmus Jensens
Hustrue bb.
    -------------------------
Veste Jensen  married  Karen Hansdatter Dom. 17 p Trin. 1735 (2.oct.)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117101#153431,25560625

I think their first children were twins Hans & Karen, but their baptism ca 1738-39 has been forgotten.
They both are confirmed 1758 - Hans Vestesen - Karen Vestesd. ops.10 in  1738K-1891
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117101#517550,25560965  right

Next is Sidsel in 1742 ops.16 Dom.22 Trin. VJ in Eskildstrup - confirmed 1761 ops.11
  -    -   Maren -  1745  -  19 Dom.14 p Trin -  -        -          not conf.
  -    -    Anna  -  1748  -  22 Dom.15 p Trin -  -        -          confirmed 1768  -  12

mvh Ole

Thanks very much for jumping in Ole and for the great info.  I wonder about them being twins.  There was seven years between marriage and birth of the next child Sidsel.  I know the census ages can be inaccurate, but Hans was born in 1733 or 1735, so probably soon after their 1735 marriage, and Karen was born in 1739 or 1740 (mis-transcribed as Maren).

[Ole Westermann]

Don't rely on ages in censuses or at death, especially in elderly persons, they are often wrong, sometimes up to 5-10 years. More reliable is that Hans and Karen were confirmed same year 1758. In those days the age at confirmations were 14 to 19, as you see with Sidsel and Anna.

[Kerry Larson]

Thank you Ole.