Marriage Record Translation

[Ole Westermann]

I think the father shoemaker Johannes August Böhme is son of JGB and born June 24,1775 in Tingsted. And the son Johan Gottlieb named after his grandfather.

A possible mother in Dresden in 1760 could be M. So(phia?) Böhme, born Mäder.

I am always sceptical to statesments about age in censuses etc. - they are often wrong.
And JGB has surely been promoted to sergeant during his time in the Falster regiment, but the were no existing document about that.

[Jack Frost]

BUT
Here is Johann Gottlieb Böhme in the musterrolls from "Falsterschen geworbenem Regiment zu Fuß"
 under command of His Highness Colonel Prince Carl of Hessen, in the Company of Capt. Christian von Perbandt (see 603-604/855) (dat.1760)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C332-WQLZ-L?i=610&cat=416356
27 Gemeiner (private) JGB born in Sachsen - Lutheran - Schuster (shoemaker) - mother alive in Dresden - served 2 years in Preissen (Preussen?)
     hired at the Regiments recruitment in 1759, 18 years old - enrolled in Rendsburg 17.august 1759 at which day he swore the oath of allegiance,
     30.june 1759 signed service contract for 8 years - height 2½ alen 6 tomme (1,72 m)

Then he probably around the time of his marriage ultimo 1769 changed to the Lollandian  enlisted Regiment.

I'm confused.  I thought the JBG you found enlisted in 1759 was the shoemaker.  And who is the woman named Mader?

[Ole Westermann]

The FS-link you gave me 21 Febr at 19:09 is a birth/baptism 1831 of Johan Gottlieb, a son of shoemaker Johannes August Böhme and wife Caroline Jacobine Weinhoff in Christenbernicovstrædet 218, and JAB is son of Johann Gottlieb Böhme and born 1775 in Tingsted.
The parents above got married Febr.8,1828 - https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=379866#379866,73871849
and JAB was 53 and a widower and shoemaker.

Johann Gottlieb Böhme from Germany had been en shoemaker, before he enlisted 1759 in Rendsburg. I imagine that he would rather be a professional soldier than shoemaker !!

My earlier mentioned proposal as parents of him https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NC5-Q1RJ
Gotthelf Georg Heinrich Böhme    oberförster - forest supervisor in Einsiedel near Neuhausen SW to Dresden, and M(....?) So(phia?) Mäder

[Jack Frost]

I find no record or other evidence that the Johann Gottlieb Bohme who married Else Poulsdatter had a son named Johannes August Bohme, if that's what you're claiming.  For example, he's not listed with them in the 1787 Census when he'd be about age 12.  Do you have a birth/baptism record for Johannes August Bohme? 

[Ole Westermann]

JGB and EP had 9 children, all sons and all listed https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/909825.pdf see page 404-405

Johannes August  at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=157564#157564,26438096 right
nr 24 Den 4 Julii blef Sergeant Böhms Søn i Kragh. /:forhen født den 24 Junii:/ og
kaldet JOHANNES AUGUSTUS, Baaret af Mr. Christian Hincheldeys Kiæreste
i Nyekiøbing. Mf. Hr Thestrup fra Wennerslund, Lieut. Wenndt i Ørslev
Mr. Marqvard af Nyekiøbing. Qf. Madme Hincheldeys Søster i Nyekiøbing.

Their 1. son at  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=157564#157564,26438090 right bottom in 1771
D.5te Maj Døbt Sergeant Böhmes Søn JOHANN GEORG i Kraghauge ...etc... notice the witness Capt. Bergbandt, who was his captain in the Falster Company (spelled Perbandt)

So maybe his Company at this time was garrisoned i Nykøbing on Falster.

See this map at  https://historiskekort.dk/?fritekstsoegning=tingsted&limit=50&offset=0&sort=titel&direction=asc 
scroll down and choose Kraghave By 1808-1861 - i have an idea that the schoolhouse is near the bottom at no 2, 2a and 2b

See also Kraghave at this map form 1840-1899 just North to Nykjøbing
https://historiskatlas.dk/@54.7895020,11.8664446,15z?t!-A9-A9-AI+m!55

[Jack Frost]

Thanks again for the research. 

I had forgotten about pp 404-405.  I wonder why he was absent in the 1787 Census?  Do the birth/baptism records name Else Poulsdatter as the mother? 

[Jack Frost]

My earlier mentioned proposal as parents of him https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NC5-Q1RJ
Gotthelf Georg Heinrich Böhme    oberförster - forest supervisor in Einsiedel near Neuhausen SW to Dresden, and M(....?) So(phia?) Mäder

Einsiedel near Neuhausen SW to Dresden:  Dresden is in Saxony but are the other places even in Germany?  Does it just mean he was working there?  I believe all we know about JGB is that he was born in Saxony. 

[Ole Westermann]

The original census 1801 says, that JGB and EP were both in 1.marriage.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=26787#26787,2909239

The musterroll says, that JGB came from Sachsen, not pricisely where, but with his mother as widow in Dresden 1760 it was probably not that far from there.

[Jack Frost]

As previously mentioned, there's also the family tree in Ancestry.com which has the birth of JGB listed as 20 Aug 1737, Klingberg, Ostholstein, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany.

I haven't been able to find such a record online, and I wouldn't necessarily trust the citation, though the birth year is consistent with his 1787 Census and death record. 

[Ole Westermann]

JGB said he was from Sachsen and that is far from Holstein !!!

[Jack Frost]

If JGB's father died in 1781 then his mother wouldn't have been a widow living in Dresden in 1759.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NZ2-2VCC

[Jack Frost]

JGB said he was from Sachsen and that is far from Holstein !!!

Yes, as I said I wouldn't necessarily trust it. 

[Ole Westermann]

I never said, they were his parents, only that it was a possibility.

[Jack Frost]

I know. 

It'd be nice to identify JGB's ancestors but my original interest was only in determining the nationality of JGB.  You've made a strong case for his origin being in Germany.  That's a big step forward.     

[Ole Westermann]

And if he was born i Holstein, why should his mother live in Dresden 1760 ??
And of course there were several JGB born in Sachsen around 1740, which FamilySearch don't know of.

[Ole Westermann]

Inger Toudal wrote 13 Feb 2024 - 17:27  among other things

Son Christian Friderich, born 1780 in Skørringe parish: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/kbid103542

Son Johan Peter, born 1784 in Skørringe parish: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/kbid117325

- the father is Gärtner.

Maybe here:

Kilde:    OE-1771
Mandens navn:    Böhm  Mandens erhverv:    Gartener
Mandens alder:    38  Mandens civilstand:    Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:    1  Mand død (ja/nej):    Nej
Hustru død (ja/nej):    Nej  Hustrus alder:    36
Hustrus civilstand:    Gift  Hustrus nr. ægteskab:    1
Sogn:    Lyngby  Herred:    Sokkelund
Amt:    København  Stednavn:    6
Indtastningsnr:    C0280  Løbenr.:    171

But this Böhm is NOT Johann Gottlieb Böhme, but Christopher/Christian Friederich Böhm, who later became saloon keeper in Nakskov: 

Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Nakskov Købstad, Nakskov, Nørre fjerdings 1. rode, 19, FT-1787, B1236
Christopher Bøhm      56      Gift      Huusbonde      Værtshuusholder       
Sophie Amalia      30      Gift      Hans Kone             
Lovise Bøhm      8      Ugift      Deres Datter             
Christian Bøhm      6      Ugift      Søn             
Johan Peter Bøhm      4      Ugift      Søn             
Carl Bøhm      1      Ugift      Søn             
Margarete Hansd      19      Ugift      Tienestepige 

[Jack Frost]

Thanks for the clarification.