Marriage Record Translation

[Jack Frost]

Can anyone translate Danish - the entry in the second column, starting at line 6?

marriage of Johann Gottlieb Bohme and Else Poulsdr

what's written after each of their names?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2078555

Family Search has:
Name Johann Gottlieb Bohme
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Else Poulsdr
Spouse's Sex Female
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 8 Dec 1769
Event Place Copenhagen, Copenhagen, Denmark
Source Details 2:1DH0SMG
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[Jack Frost]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G943-97YM?i=6&cc=2078555

[J. K. Olsen]

On a different note, the surname seems to be Böhme, rather than Bohme ( later generations may have used Bohme or Bøhme ). See also the discussion here:
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/topic/50644

Sincerely
J. K. Olsen ( not sure myself whether my great-great-great-grandmother was born Roscher or Röscher )

[Ole Westermann]

Johann Gottlieb Böhme, Sergeant          - he is German, so Böhme is the correct name
at the Lollanske Nat. Batl.
Else Poulsdatter

se also https://www.wadschier.dk/haeren-garnisoner-regimentschefer/garnisoner/lollandske-infanteriregiment/366

mvh Ole

[Ole Westermann]

This could be him in 1771 as a 'Stadsmægler' a kind of mediator/agent in his 1.marriage with a young wife:

Udtræk fra Oeders Eftr.
2 poster fundet
Kilde:   OE-1771
Mandens navn:   Bøhme   Mandens erhverv:   Stads Megler
Mandens alder:   37   Mandens civilstand:   Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:   1   Mand død (ja/nej):   Nej
Hustru død (ja(nej):   Nej   Hustrus alder:   25
Hustrus civilstand:   Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:   1
Sogn:   Sankt Annæ Øster Kvarter   Herred:   København (Staden)
Amt:   København   Stednavn:   Folio Cb
Indtastningsnr:   C7268   Løbenr.:   125

[Jack Frost]

Johann Gottlieb Böhme, Sergeant          - he is German, so Böhme is the correct name
at the Lollanske Nat. Batl.
Else Poulsdatter

se also https://www.wadschier.dk/haeren-garnisoner-regimentschefer/garnisoner/lollandske-infanteriregiment/366

mvh Ole

Thanks.  How can you tell he's German?  What does this mean "at the Lollanske Nat. Batl"?  In the 1787 Census, he's listed as a school master for boys in his town, so had he earlier served in the army?  Was there a war?

[Jack Frost]

I can't navigate the link you posted because I read only English.  Is it military records?

[Inger Toudal]

Maribo, Falsters Sønder, Skelby, Staurebye Bye, , 93, FT-1787, C2313
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Gottlieb Bøhm     50     Gift      Mand      Skoleholder i Stauerbye       
Else Poulsdatter     45     Gift      Hans Kone             
Jens Gottlieb Bøhm     11     Ugift      Deres Børn             
Svend Friderich Bøhm     9     Ugift      Deres Børn             
Christian Friderich Bøhm     6     Ugift      Deres Børn             
Poul Jensen Bøhm     2     Ugift      Deres Børn             
Martin Paaske Bøhm     1     Ugift      Deres Børn 

- 1787 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid726485

Maribo, Falsters Sønder, Skelby, Staurebye Bye, , 18, FT-1801, B8361
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Johan Gotlieb Böhme     60     Gift      Mand      Skolelærer       
Else Poulsdatter     56     Gift      Hans Kone             
Martin Böhme     14     Ugift      Deres Børn             
Jacob Niendus Böhme     12     Ugift      Deres Børn 

- 1801 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1525679

Son Christian Friderich, born 1780 in Skørringe parish: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/kbid103542

Son Johan Peter, born 1784 in Skørringe parish: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/kbid117325

- the father is Gärtner.

Maybe here:

Kilde:    OE-1771
Mandens navn:    Böhm   Mandens erhverv:    Gartener
Mandens alder:    38   Mandens civilstand:    Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:    1   Mand død (ja/nej):    Nej
Hustru død (ja/nej):    Nej   Hustrus alder:    36
Hustrus civilstand:    Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:    1
Sogn:    Lyngby   Herred:    Sokkelund
Amt:    København   Stednavn:    6
Indtastningsnr:    C0280   Løbenr.:    171
 

[Ole Westermann]

He was married in the German community in Garnison Church because he was German, and in those days
most soldiers were professional and recruited from abroad, most from Germany, but they came from all
Europe. His wife was Danish and his name is certainly German.

Lolland is an island south of Sjælland, and his regiment/batallion was simply in the church record named the Lollandian National Battallion.
But the garrison was in Copenhagen.
My link tells where the regiment was placed during the time scale from 1656 to 1951.

[Jack Frost]

He was married in the German community in Garnison Church because he was German, and in those days
most soldiers were professional and recruited from abroad, most from Germany, but they came from all
Europe. His wife was Danish and his name is certainly German.

Lolland is an island south of Sjælland, and his regiment/batallion was simply named the Lollandian National Battallion.
But the garrison was in Copenhagen.
My link tells where the regiment was placed during the time scale from 1656 to 1951.

Thanks!  That's very helpful. 

His son Svend was a gardener sent to Norway by Danish royalty.  Svend remained in Norway and used the name Bohm and married a Norwegian woman.  Svend's descendants, including my grandfather, identified as Norwegian but I always suspected German ancestry because of their surname Bohm (and they didn't use son or datter, as in Olsen or Poulsdatter).  First names were Otto, Gustave, etc., also German sounding. 

Is there any indication where in Germany Johann Gottlieb Bohm came from?

Do you know what denomination Garnison Church was - Lutheranm Catholic, etc.?

[Jack Frost]

Inger, thanks for the 1801 Census.  I had searched but couldn't find it on my own. 

[Ole Westermann]

Garnison Church was a Lutheran church, mostly for military people, but also used by others in the area, se also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Church,_Copenhagen

[Jack Frost]

I understand your inference that he was German but I'd still like to find documentation to that effect.

It looks like his age was rounded off in the Censuses, to 50 on 1787 and 60 in 1801 so I can't trust the implied years of birth (1737, 1741).  Is there any other kind of record which would record his birthdate and/or place of birth?

This is a possible death record for him:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8943-W71V?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGQM-FQS6&action=view

[Ole Westermann]

His name is certainly NOT Danish, and ages in censuses are often very inaccurate, sometimes up to 5-10 years. And I made a search on FS i Germany an found these
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.anyDate.from=1730&q.anyDate.to=1740&q.anyPlace=Germany&q.givenName=johann%20gottlieb&q.surname=bohme

[Ole Westermann]

Birth and baptism of his son Poul Jensen in Tingsted, where JGB is called a dismissed sergeant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94W-NSFK?i=113&cc=2078555 top left

[Jack Frost]

Does "dismissed" imply anything negative, such as a dishonorable discharge?

[Ole Westermann]

No, it is a normal 'leaving the army'. The old Danish word was aftakket/aftacket.
He problably had a contract for serving a number of years, and that had ended.

[Jack Frost]

Good.  He apparently became a school headmaster, so I didn't think he caused problems.

[Jack Frost]

So, was Bohme in the Danish or German military?

[Jack Frost]

Wikipedia has this:

Denmark
Before 1772 the Danish army was made up mostly of German soldiers and officers. After 1772 the army began to recruit more Danes, and by 1803, the army was entirely Danish. If your German relative served in the Danish military before 1803, you may be able to find valuable genealogical information in Denmark Military Records.

[Ole Westermann]

In Denmark there was ONLY the Danish military, but the language there was at that time German.

Here are the existing musterrolls (Stambøger) from different regiments/bataillons
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/416356?availability=Family%20History%20Library

And an example from late 1700 with corporals, sergeants etc - written i German, which was the command language in the army then
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C332-S7MG?i=682&cat=416356 born in
Preussen, Würtenberg, Copenhagen, Leipzig, Tronheim, Halle, Lolland, Hanau in Hessen, Thüringen etc - most from Germany
married, unmarried, children, previously served who and where, by who and when hired and enrolled and at which age, and for how long.

I have looked in a good deal - most were hired for 6 or 8 years.

I don't think, that there is any from Böhmes bataillon.

[Jack Frost]

Is this the likely scenario: Bohme was a German national who immigrated to Denmark to serve in the Danish military, met and married his wife, had children, and remained in Denmark until death. 

[Ole Westermann]

Exactly, like many others.

[Merete]

I have found this text in a book called

[Merete]

The Text of the book about teachers on Lolland , it is a serious book.

[Ole Westermann]

Which can be read here https://slaegtsbibliotek.dk/909825.pdf see page 404-405

[Jack Frost]

Thanks.  That's a great find!

I noticed they don't have an exact birth date or birth place. 

[Ole Westermann]

BUT
Here is Johann Gottlieb Böhme in the musterrolls from "Falsterschen geworbenem Regiment zu Fuß"
 under command of His Highness Colonel Prince Carl of Hessen, in the Company of Capt. Christian von Perbandt (see 603-604/855) (dat.1760)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C332-WQLZ-L?i=610&cat=416356
27 Gemeiner (private) JGB born in Sachsen - Lutheran - Schuster (shoemaker) - mother alive in Dresden - served 2 years in Preissen (Preussen?)
     hired at the Regiments recruitment in 1759, 18 years old - enrolled in Rendsburg 17.august 1759 at which day he swore the oath of allegiance,
     30.june 1759 signed service contract for 8 years - height 2½ alen 6 tomme (1,72 m)

Then he probably around the time of his marriage ultimo 1769 changed to the Lollandian  enlisted Regiment.

[Jack Frost]

That's an interesting document. 

He's likely the Johann Gottlieb Bohme who married Else Poulsdatter, but I'd like to eliminate another candidate with the same name who died in Denmark on April 10, 1831 and was buried on May 23, 1831.  I'm not sure of the place in Denmark or his age, etc. 

I've lost the link to the record.

I have a saved image of the record but it's too large to post here.

Maybe there's something in the record which would confirm or eliminate him as the JGB in the military.
 

[Jack Frost]

This is the link.  But I think it's birth/baptism, not death/burial. 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94S-1ZQW?i=466&wc=M5V7-HZS%3A357517801%2C357517802%2C358183401%2C358269801&cc=2078555

I think the 2 years of service was in Prussia. It says his mother was alive in Dresden.  If I could find her name I could check that out. 

Any, the evidence is mounting that you have found the right JGB, and he was born in Saxony and moved to Denmark in the military. 

The record you posted implies a birth year of 1741 which matches the 1801 Census but is different from the 1787 Census and his death record. 

I suppose he could have been promoted from private to seargant during his tenure. 

The fact that he was a shoemaker is a surprise given he became a noted schoolteacher (unless he was just a cobbler before or while he was in the military).

Anyway, it's a great find!