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1766 baptism of Ane Jensdatter in Store Heddinge
« Dato: 08 Apr 2022 - 01:05 »
I could use some help locating a translating a baptism record.  According to an ancestry.com index, Ane Jensdatter was baptized on 22 Jun 1766 in Store Heddinge, Praesto, daughter of Jens Hansen.  The record is located on FHL Film 50760.  https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3385217:9825  I believe I've located the correct page, but I still can't make it out.  In the upper right corner appears to be a 22 Juny record:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-R6VR?i=76&cc=2078555&cat=431663.  Could someone help me out by locating and translating the correct baptism record?  Thanks very much.

Update:  Also indexed at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-79C?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=M35Q-V62
 
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« Svar #1 Dato: 09 Apr 2022 - 12:51 »
My proposal:

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Gl (Gamle) Jens Hansens Datter
Ane af B. den 22 Junii
Suscep Christen Smeds H. i H.
Test. Christen Brun, Ung Jens
Hansen, B.
 ------------------ transl.
Old Jens Hansen's daughter
Ane of B(jælkerup?) the 22 of June
Carrier Christen blacksmiths wife in Heddinge
Witn. Christen Brun, young Jens
Hansen, B(jælkerup?)

mvh Ole

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« Svar #2 Dato: 09 Apr 2022 - 19:07 »
Thanks so much Ole for sharing your expertise with me again.

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« Svar #3 Dato: 16 Apr 2022 - 16:56 »
Here is the Rigsarkivet link (page 77, top fourth column): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303201

There are 3 Jens Hansen in Store Heddinge in Oeders Efterretninger in 1771; here is the oldest (as it was "gamle" Jens Hansen):

Mandens navn:   Jens Hansen   Mandens erhverv:   Aftægt
Mandens alder:   68   Mandens civilstand:   Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:   2   Mand død (ja/nej):   Nej
Hustru død (ja(nej):   Nej   Hustrus alder:   54
Hustrus civilstand:   Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:   1
Sogn:   Store Heddinge Landsogn   Herred:   Stevns
Amt:   Præstø   Stednavn:   2
Indtastningsnr:   C2386   Løbenr.:   69
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
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« Svar #4 Dato: 17 Apr 2022 - 21:15 »
Thanks very much for the additional information Niels.  I will check it out.

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« Svar #5 Dato: 17 Apr 2022 - 21:38 »
I could use some help tracking down her marriage record to Lars Hansen to try and figure out her father.  I was helped greatly in previous discussion at https://forum.slaegt.dk/index.php/topic,139383.msg737450.html#msg737450

According to FamilySearch indexing, there are four Ane Jensdatter's born in Store Heddinge in 1766 to these fathers:
1.  7 Feb 1766 to Jens Jensen:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-798
2.  9 Feb 1766 to Jens Jorgensen:  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-79F
3.  14 Mar 1766 to Jens Olsen:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-79J
4.  22 Jun 1766 to Jens Hansen:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-79C

I learned from the previous discussion that her father could not have been Jens Olsen, leaving three others.  She was married to Lars Hansen by the 1801 census:  https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid940822

Their known children were:
1. Hans Larsen, b. 6 Apr 1793 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-894W-R6JG?i=137&wc=M5KZ-MJ9%3A357517501%2C360106701%2C360233301%2C360234701&cc=2078555
2. Jens Larsen, b. 1795
3. Ane Margrethe Larsdatter #1, chr. 27 Nov 1801 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-RDT6?i=468&cc=2078555 (buried 6 Dec 1801)
4. Ane Margrethe Larsdatter #2, chr. 31 Dec 1802 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-RDT6?i=468&cc=2078555

What I know of Ane Jensdatter and Lars Hansen are documented at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jensdatter-1726 and https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hansen-8364

If anyone here sees any information in the original records about the name of her father, or her marriage record, I would greatly appreciate your sharing it with me.  Thank you.

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« Svar #6 Dato: 17 Apr 2022 - 22:29 »
Since it seem that Lars Hansen & Ane Jensdatter is NOT married in Store Heddinge Sogn [I assume it has been looked through thoroughly]; then Ane Jensdatter most likely comes from another parish as it was the custom to be married in the bride's parish.

So a plane could be to search for the marriage in surrounding parishes in Stevns Herred!
In the census 1801 their oldest child Hans Larsen is 8 years, so starting looking at marriages 1790-1793 (in case the first child died).
Stevns herred with parishes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Stevns_Herred.png

Ane Jensdatter is the most common Danish name you can find through the ages and it is often very hard to distinguish between them (sometimes impossible if the church books doesn't give enough information); so finding 4 in Store Heddinge born in 1766 is not something "special" for that parish.
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« Svar #7 Dato: 18 Apr 2022 - 21:14 »
Thanks for the research suggestions Niels.  While I have looked through the marriage records in Store Heddinge from 1788-1792, my skills are very limited, so I can never be sure that I didn't miss something.  I was hoping that another record, such as a child's baptism, might give a clue as to her parents.

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« Svar #8 Dato: 18 Apr 2022 - 22:21 »
Might have found her marriage record.  I looked again in Store Heddinge whose records are actually quite readable and didn't find it.  Following Niels' advice, I looked next in Holtug.  This might be it:  http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=151735&side=63; top left entry.  Could I get a translation?  I think it might say "Tomastrup" after the name Lars Hansen.  According to his death record, he apparently became insane and returned home to Thomestruphttp://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=423949&side=7; first entry, #5

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« Svar #9 Dato: 18 Apr 2022 - 22:39 »
Viet: 15. Januar 1788 i Holtug Sogn.
ungkarl Lars Hansen i Thomastrup [Tommestrup] og pigen Anne Jensdatter i Giorsløv.
Spons. [= Forlovere]: Rasmus Hansen (his brother?), Jens Hansen (her father?). [Sadly not stated where; but maybe it is because they both are local (in the parish)?]

NB: Gjorslev in Holtug Sogn, NOT Gørslev in Gørslev Sogn!!

Holtug Sogn: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holtug_Sogn
Gjorslev Slot: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjorslev

So if she is at Gjorslev in 1788, she might be working at the manor, or surrounding area, also in the census of 1787.

We have a very strong candidate!

Folketælling 1787: Præstø, Stevns, Holtug Sogn, Gjorslev, , 3. familie, FT 1787, A3911
Ole Schou     63     gift     Husbond     Forpagter      
Girtrud Dorethea     53     gift     Madmoder           
Jens Olsen     29     ugift     deres barn           
Anna Elisabeth Olsdatter     17     ugift     deres barn           
Rasmus Hansen     31     ugift     Tjenestekarl     National Soldat      
Jørgen Andersen     28     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Lars Hansen     36     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Jørgen Hansen     26     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Mads Olsen     31     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
?? Johansen     26     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Hans Micharlsen     23     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Niels Olsen     19     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Hans Olsen     16     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Jens Pedersen     15     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Jens Michaelsen     13     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Ole Madsen     10     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Bodil Jørgensdatter     55     enke     Mejerske           
Karen Andersdatter     23     ugift     Malkepige           
Anne Larsdatter     28     ugift     Malkepige           
Birthe Jensdatter     21     ugift     Malkepige           
Maren Mathisdatter     19     ugift     Malkepige           
Ane Jensdatter     21     ugift     Bryggerspige            [Fits with being born in 1766!!]
Ane Madsdatter     25     ugift     Kokkepige           
Marie Clausdatter     59     ugift     Hønsepige           
Mette Jørgensdatter     16     ugift     Tjenestepige 
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.

Bryggers-pige = Scullery-maid.



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« Svar #10 Dato: 18 Apr 2022 - 23:13 »
Could this be the possible marriage of the possible brother of Lars Hansen.

Trolovet: 3. August 1789 i Store Heddinge Sogn:
Rasmus Hansen og Karen Christensdatter.
Forlovere: Christen Hendrichsen (her father?) og Hans Hemmingsen i Holtug (a soldier? friend from Holtug Sogn?)
Kilde (s. 16, nr 5 last first column): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303140

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« Svar #11 Dato: 18 Apr 2022 - 23:35 »
Thanks very much for your help Niels.  The Lars Hansen in that 1787 census appears to be the wrong age but she does appear to be a good fit.  This might be him:  https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107938.  The "marriage" record I found was the trolovelse.  The vielse appears to be at http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=151735&side=70 (17 Mar, lower right).  Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to add anything.

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« Svar #12 Dato: 19 Apr 2022 - 00:22 »
I didn't find a baptism record for her in Holtug.  The trolovelse listing bondsman/witness of Jens Hansen as her potential father might put back in play the Store Heddinge baptism I referenced earlier and translated by Ole Westermann, (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994W-R6VR?i=76&cc=2078555&cat=431663), upper right:

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Gl (Gamle) Jens Hansens Datter
Ane af B. den 22 Junii
Suscep Christen Smeds H. i H.
Test. Christen Brun, Ung Jens
Hansen, B.
 ------------------ transl.
Old Jens Hansen's daughter
Ane of B(jælkerup?) the 22 of June
Carrier Christen blacksmiths wife in Heddinge
Witn. Christen Brun, young Jens
Hansen, B(jælkerup?)

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« Svar #13 Dato: 19 Apr 2022 - 22:21 »
In this confirmation record for Niels Larsen (#24), son of Lars Hansen and Ane Jensdatter, may I ask what the words are before and after her name?  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G94W-BJ22?i=213&cc=2078555

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« Svar #14 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 16:34 »
"Lars Hansen, gaardmand i Thomestrup og hustru (= wife) Ane Jensdatter".

Doesn't seem to appear in Store Heddinge Sogn in Folketælling 1834.


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« Svar #15 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 16:51 »
Thanks Niels.  This might be problematic as I thought Lars Hansen died in 1818 (#5):  http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=423949&side=7&height=929  I wonder if the pastor just didn't note the parents' status.

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« Svar #16 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 18:20 »
Very often at Confirmations the priests doesn't give the information/confirmation, whether the parents are alive or deceased.
He often just copies the parents (and their information) at the time of the baptism!

So I don't see it as a problem that it doesn't say "afdøde"!


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« Svar #17 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 18:25 »
Thanks for clarifying this.  I appreciate your help Niels.

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« Svar #18 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 19:01 »
Folketælling 1834: Præstø, Stevns, Store Heddinge Landsogn, Thomestrup By, , 25. et hus, FT 1834, A2316
Hans Larsen     41     Gift          Lever af sin Jordlod      [Age fits with being 8 years old in 1801, se below]
Inger Marie Rasmusdatter     39     Gift          hans kone      
Karen Hansdatter     12     Ugift          deres datter      
Maren Hansdatter     8     Ugift          deres datter      
Hans Hansen     5     Ugift          deres søn      
Ane Jensdatter     78     Enke          Aftægt af huset [Age is way of  - mistake of writing 78 instead of 68?, but "your" Ane Jensdatter had a son Hans Larsen]
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.    
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Folketælling 1801: Præstø, Stevns, Store Heddinge Landsogn, Thomestrup By, , 12. familie, FT 1801, A3920
Lars Hansen     38     gift     Mand     Husmand med Jord      
Ane Jensdatter     35     gift     hans kone          
Hans Larsen     8     ugift     deres barn          
Jens Larsen     6     ugift     deres barn 
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.

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« Svar #19 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 19:42 »
Død: 31. Juli 1835 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Begravet: 5. August 1835.
Navn: Ane Jensdatter.
husmand Lars Hansens enke i Thomestrup. Født i Bjelkerup [Bjælkerup, Store Heddinge Sogn]. Fader: Jens Hansen.
Alder: 76 Aar. [ages at burials are often way off in the church books in this time period]
Kilde (s. 18, nr 28): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21883129#428477,78521604
NB: Extremely lucky that the priest gave this much information [unusual at this time]

So it should be the Ane Jensdatter baptised 22. June 1766 Store Heddinge Sogn and from "B" [= can only be Bjælkerup]!
So at some point her son - Hans Larsen - took over the house in Tommestrup (1818, when Lars Hansen died?) and she got "aftægt" [so she handed over the legal ownership of the house to her son, with the condition/agreement, that she could stay in the house until her death and being fed by the sons family].
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« Svar #20 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 19:49 »
I have the 1801 census, but the 1834 one I previously thought might be for a different Ane Jensdatter from Erikstrup, Store Heddinge whose age matched more closely in the 1787 and 1801 census:  https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107780, https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid940274.  Your great find of the burial record does suggest that the 1834 census is for "my" Ane Jensdatter.  I don't think I'd looked for her burial record that late, so thanks very much Niels for locating that important record.

Edit:  Ah!  And now I see your edit about the B[jælkerup].  That does appear to be the smoking gun linking to the right Ane Jensdatter!  Outstanding.  Really excellent work Niels.
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« Svar #21 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 21:08 »
Quest for "Gamle" Jens Hansen.

Døbt: 4. Marts 1764 in Store Heddinge Sogn.
"G. Jens Hansens datter - Karen [Jensdatter] af Bielcherup.
Suscep [Gudmoder] Ane Jens Hansens B[jælkerup]. [So Ane wife of Jens Hansen (the young) we must presume for now?]
Testes [Faddere]:  Christen Jensen, Jørgen ?Knudsen B[jælkerup].
Kilde (s. 73, last third column): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303197

?Young? Jens Hansen.

Trolovet: 16. November 1759.
Jens Hansen ?Bund? og Ane Jørgensdatter.
Caution: Hans Jensen B[jælkerup] og Niels Hansen i Strøebye [Strøby Sogn, Stevns Herred, Præstø Amt].
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Viet: Dom 3 post Epiphan 1760.
Jens Hansen og Anne Jørgendatter, begge fra B[kælkerup].
Kilde (s. 26, nr 1 in 1760): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303150

NB: He marries an Ane, and an Ane married to Jens Hansen was "Gudmoder" at Karen Jensdatters baptism in 1764, above!

Possible the "young" Jens Hansen in Oeders Efterretninger 1771:
Mandens navn:   Jens Hansen   Mandens erhverv:   Bønder
Mandens alder:   41   Mandens civilstand:   Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:   1   Mand død (ja/nej):   Nej
Hustru død (ja(nej):   Nej   Hustrus alder:   39
Hustrus civilstand:   Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:   1
Sogn:   Store Heddinge Landsogn   Herred:   Stevns
Amt:   Præstø   Stednavn:   1
Indtastningsnr:   C2386   Løbenr.:   16
Kilde: Dansk Demokratisk Database.

"Gamle" Jens Hansen.
Here we have him!

Trolovet (Engaged): Dom. 8 post Trinitatis 1761.
Jens Hansen B[jælkerup] og Magret Jensdatter.
Caution: Hans Jensen B[jælkerup] og  Rasmus ?Posse? Høyerup.
Kilde (s. 9, nr 8 in 1761): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303133
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Viet: Dom 25 post Trinitatis, Adventi 1761.
G[amle]. Jens Hansen med Margrete Jensdatter B[jælkerup].
Kilde (s. 27, nr. 16 in 1761): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303151
NB: So we have now identified his marriage and wife !!

Folketælling 1787: Præstø, Stevns, Store Heddinge Landsogn, Bjelkerup, , 14. familie, FT 1787, A3914
Rasmus Hansen     32     gift     Husbond     Bonsk Gårdbeboer      
Karen Jensdatter     42     gift     Madmoder           
Jørgen Pedersen     16     ugift     Tjenestedreng           
Jens Hansen     58     gift     konens fader     på aftægt       (in 1st marriage, see original)
Margrete Jensdatter     52     gift     konens moder     på aftægt  (in 1st marriage, see original)
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Original (s. 3 last family): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=1248#1248,62465
NB: Something must be wrong with the ages and the wife of 42 can't possibly have parents on aftægt aged 58 and 52....
If ~ 23 years old then Karen Jensdatter would fit being the daughter of "gamle Jens Hansen" baptised in 1764 (see top)!!

Viet: 3. Marts 1786 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Rasmus Hansen i ?S? og Karen Jensdatter i B[jælkerup].
Kilde (s. 34, nr 5 in 1786): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303158

So if 58 years in 1787 "old" Jens Hansen should be around 42 years in 1771!

Oeders Efterretninger 1771:
Mandens navn:   Jens Hansen   Mandens erhverv:   Bønder
Mandens alder:   42   Mandens civilstand:   Gift
Mandens nr. ægteskab:   1   Mand død (ja/nej):   Nej
Hustru død (ja(nej):   Nej   Hustrus alder:   32
Hustrus civilstand:   Gift   Hustrus nr. ægteskab:   1
Sogn:   Store Heddinge Landsogn   Herred:   Stevns
Amt:   Præstø   Stednavn:   1
Indtastningsnr:   C2386   Løbenr.:   14
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.

Folketælling 1801: Præstø, Stevns, Store Heddinge Landsogn, Bjelkerup By, , 20. familie, FT 1801, A3920
Rasmus Hansen     44     gift     Husbond     Bonde og Gårdbeboer     
Sidse Jensdatter     32     gift     hans kone     [New Wife]      
Maren Rasmusdatter     12     ugift     hans datter af første ægteskab           
Karen Rasmusdatter     5     ugift     deres barn           
Ane Rasmusdatter     1     ugift     deres barn           
Peder Hansen     22     ugift     Tjenestekarl           
Margrethe Jensdatter     70     enke     mandens første kones moder     nyder Ophold af Gården
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.

So it looks like the old Jens Hansen is 1 year older than the young Jens Hansen in Bjælkerup!


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« Svar #22 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 21:48 »
Begravet: 3. Juni 1801 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Jens Hansens enke i B[jælkerup]. 71 Aar.
Kilde (s. 148, nr 18 in 1801): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156881,26303456
NB: So could very well be Margrethe Jensdatter, wife of "gamle" Jens Hansen.....

Begravet: 1. August 1788 in Store Heddinge Sogn.
Jens Hansen i B[jælkerup], 62 Aar.
Kilde (s. 160, nr 22 in 1788): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303284
NB: Unclear if the "young" or the "old".

Begravet: 17. November 1790 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Hr. Jens Hansens h[ustru]. 43 Aar.
Kilde (s. 160, nr 32 in 1790): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303284
Unclear who this "Hr. [Mister] is......but it can't be the wife of Gamle Jens Hansen.
B[jælkerup] is not specified, so it could be a third Jens Hansen in Store Heddinge Købstad.
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« Svar #23 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 21:51 »
Many great finds!  I am very confused by 1787 census.  In Bjælkerup, we have one Jens Hansen aged 58 married to Karen Jensdatter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107884) and a second Jens Hansen aged 60 married to Anne Jørgensdatter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107866).  So the older (gamle) Jens Hansen is actually younger than the other per this census?

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« Svar #24 Dato: 20 Apr 2022 - 22:26 »
Hi Kerry.
Happy to be of help  :)

Yeah since ages of especially old people are often not trustworthy it's still really absurd that we end up having the younger Jens Hansen listed as being older than the older Jens Hansen in the 1787 census  ::)

But you see: To have any chance to find out relationships in these time periods you really have to get an overview of all the family. Any family connection could give the needed proof or at least a good guess.
In extreme cases you have to write all persons in the parish (only really viable in low population rural parishes) and trying to untie the family relations - and still sometimes it is impossible (in cases where the priests doesn't give any information and you don't have any probates).
It is these kind of "detective cases" I find really fun to try to sort out!

Sadly in these cases we have several people on "aftægt" and then you almost never have any "skifte". The ownership has already been transferred while the person was alive, so the people on "aftægt" generally don't own anything anymore. If nothing to inherit than no "skifte" will be conducted! 

Cheers
Niels

Baptised: 9. Oktober 1768 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
G. Jens Hansens søn i B - Hans.
Død.
Kilde (s. 82, nr. 28 in 1768): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303206
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« Svar #25 Dato: 21 Apr 2022 - 15:01 »
Preliminary look-through for "gamle" Jens Hansens birth in Store Heddinge Sogn.

So we have 2 Jens Hansen born in 1725 and 1730, where both is carried at the baptism by Peder Klein's [Kleinsmed?] wife.
A working hypothesis could be that these are the old and young Jens Hansen's: The could even have the same father, but with two different wives....

Copuleret: Fastelavns Søndag [1723]
Hans Jensen og Kirsten Pedersdatter af Store Heddinge.
Kilde (s. 37): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303024

Copuleret: Dom 2. Post Trinitatis 1724.
Hans Jensen og Maren Pedersdatter af Store Heddinge.
Kilde (s. 42): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303029

Døbt: 20. April 1725 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Hans Jensens søn Jens [Hansen] af Store Heddinge.
Peder ?Cleins? hustru Dorothea bar det.
Faddere:
Søren Andersen.
Jørgen Nielsens søn Niels [Jørgensen].
Lars Pedersen.
Peder Møllers hustru Anna Maria.
Niels Larsens datter Kirstine.
Kilde (s. 46, right mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303033

Begravet: 3. August 1725 i Store Heddinge.
Hans Jensens hustru Rebecca i Store Heddinge.
Kilde (s. 48, 2top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303035

Copuleret: 20. December 1726 i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Hans Jensen og Anna Catrine Larsdatter af Store Heddinge.
Kilde (s. 55, bottom right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303042

Begravet: 25. Februar 1729.
Hans Jensens datter Sidse af Store Heddinge.
Kilde (s. 66): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303053

Døbt: Dom Cant [1730] i Store Heddinge Sogn.
Hans Jensens barn Jens [Hansen] af Bielkerup.
Peder Kleins hustru baar det.
Faddere:
Jens Christophersen.
Niels Christophersen.
Niels Jens(ens) datter Anna.
Botild, Mogens Nielsens [Mogens Nielsen's wife Botild (modern Bodild)]
Kilde (s. 73, left mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303060

Viet: Dom 1 Epipahn [Første søndag efter Helligtrekonger] 1734.
Hans Jensen af Store Heddinge og Maren Pedersdatter af Thomestrup.
Kilde (s. 87): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156879,26303074
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« Svar #26 Dato: 21 Apr 2022 - 15:48 »
If that's preliminary, I wonder what complete looks like.  :D  I'm far behind on reviewing all of this.  Hopefully I'll have the time soon.  Thanks Niels!

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« Svar #27 Dato: 22 Apr 2022 - 19:25 »
Many great finds!  I am very confused by 1787 census.  In Bjælkerup, we have one Jens Hansen aged 58 married to Karen Margrete Jensdatter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107884) and a second Jens Hansen aged 60 married to Anne Jørgensdatter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid107866).  So the older (gamle) Jens Hansen is actually younger than the other per this census?

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« Svar #28 Dato: 22 Apr 2022 - 19:26 »
Duplicate.  Unable to delete.
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« Svar #29 Dato: 23 Apr 2022 - 20:33 »
What does it say before Jens Hansen's name in this baptism record for Hans, 2 Jun 1771?  Young or old Jens?  3rd column, #6:  https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303212

This Hans bapt. 9 Oct 1768 was clearly identified as son of gl Jens Hansen, so unless he died, the other might be young Jens:  3rd column, #28 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303206

Anything about young or old Jens Hansen in this 15 Sep 1776 baptism of Peter:  column 1, #24, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303223

What does it say about Karen's baptism on 2 Feb 1763:  Column 2, #3, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303195.  FS has the father indexed as Jens Hansen, but that's unclear to me:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYN1-7ZF

What is the word before Jens Hansen in this 17 Dec 1779 baptism of Maren?  Column 3, #47, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303230

Thanks for any help.

Edit1:
What is the meaning of "Caution: Hans Jensen B[jælkerup] og Niels Hansen i Strøebye [Strøby Sogn, Stevns Herred, Præstø Amt]." in this transcription above:

Trolovet: 16. November 1759.
Jens Hansen ?Bund? og Ane Jørgensdatter.
Caution: Hans Jensen B[jælkerup] og Niels Hansen i Strøebye [Strøby Sogn, Stevns Herred, Præstø Amt].
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Viet: Dom 3 post Epiphan 1760.
Jens Hansen og Anne Jørgendatter, begge fra B[kælkerup].
Kilde (s. 26, nr 1 in 1760): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118800#156880,26303150

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