Andersen, Hans Nielsen 1827-1904, Soldat im Krieg von 1864?

Startet af Uwe Jacobsen, 04 Mar 2022 - 11:11

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Uwe Jacobsen

Liebe Ahnenforscher,

ich brauche mal wieder eure Hilfe.
Andersen , Hans Nielsen, Gastwirt,
geboren in Donslund Ksp. Vorbasse am 24. Mai 1827,
heiratet in Apenrade am 3. Juli 1868
stirbt in Apenrade am 21. Februar 1904

Könnte es sein, dass er im 2. Schl. Krieg Soldat gewesen ist und es darüber Informationen gibt?

Vielen Dank im Voraus.
Schöne Grüße
Uwe Jacobsen

Inger Toudal

#1
Vielleicht ist das er, aber in 1850:
https://cs.sa.dk/picture/view-values/88803?picture_series_id=669&selectedTab=4&page=42

- keine Information über Alter, Profession etc.

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Inger Toudal
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Inger Toudal

Niels Just Rasmussen

#2
He can be found in

2den Forstærknings Bataljon.
Stambog 1848-1852.
4. Compagni.
Compagni Number: 267.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen, Donslund.
From Ribe Amt, lægd 83 [= Andst Sogn].
Løbenummer: crossed out and corrected to 89.
Enrolled in 1850.
Height: not written down.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen, Donslund.
Born year [18]27.
Enrolled 15. June 1850.
Where from: Nyborg ?efter skole?
Written: 392 [perhaps new number?]
Source (page 149, bottom left page): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C33X-JWGF-D?i=148&cat=416356


Lægdsrulle 1850. Ribe Amt. Andst Sogn. Lægd 83.
Number Z209.
Father: Anders Hansen.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen.
Born: Donslund.
Age: 23 years old.
Height: 61 1/2 danish tommer [161 cm]
Vedtegninger: Infanteri 1/4 1850 [date he is assigned to infantry - possibly sent to school in Nyborg?]
2. F[or]st[ærknings] B[ataljon] 16/53 [perhaps he left the army in 1853]
Source (page 347, top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18072,988660

Niels Just Rasmussen

#3
Census 1850: Ribe Amt, Andst Herred, Gesten Sogn, Østergjesten Mark, en Gaard, 17, FT-1850, D3643
Christen Thomsen     43     Gift          Gaardmand, Sogneforstander, Huusfader     Egtved Sogn Veile Amt 
Vus Maria Simonsdatter     45     Gift          hans Kone     Østed Sogn Do [Veile] Amt 
Thomas Pedersen Thomsen     16     Ugift          deres Børn     her i Sognet 
Simon Thomsen     11     Ugift          deres Børn     Do [her i Sognet] 
Mette Johanne Thomsen     19     Ugift          deres Børn     Do [her i Sognet] 
Mette Sophia Thomsen     13     Ugift          deres Børn     Do [her i Sognet] 
Leene Thomsen     9     Ugift          deres Børn     Do [her i Sognet] 
Maria Thomsen     6     Ugift          deres Børn     Do [her i Sognet] 
Hans Nielsen Andersen     23     Ugift          Tjenestekarl     Born: Voerbasse Sogn
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Kilde: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid7966068

He is also in Gesten [/Gjesten] Sogn in Census 1840 as a 13 year old farm worker: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid4558974

Census 1834 with his parents in Donslund, Vorbasse Sogn.
Kilde: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid3266699

2. Forstærknings Bataljon was in the campaign of 1850 part of the 5th Brigade where it was stationed in Slesvig Town.

"Anden Forstærkningsbataljon oprettedes 6. September 1848 af mandskab der var fri for tjeneste i fredstid. Den 18. oktober 1848 gik bataljonen fra København til Fredericia. Vinteren over stod den grænsevagt imellem Kolding og Vamdrup. 1849 stod den i 1. Brigade. I midten af april forsattes den til 3. Brigade. Vinteren 1849-50 lå den i København. I felttoget 1850 stod den i 5. Brigade, hvorefter den dannede besætningen i Slesvig by. Den 1. februar 1851 til oktober stod den i Angel. Fra oktober til april i Svansø. Den opløstes 15. maj 1852"
Kilde: https://www.sa.dk/daisy/arkivskaber_detaljer?a=&b=&c=&d=&e=&f=&g=&h=&ngid=1240147&ngnid=&heid=&henid=&epid=&faid=&meid=&m2rid=&side=&sort=&dir=&gsc=&int=&ep=&es=&ed=

Census 1860: Aabenraa Amt, Rise Herred, Aabenraa Landsogn, Kolstrup, En Gaard, 21 - F1 (1), FT-1860, D7385
Hans Madsen Møller     50     Gift     Husfader. Sognefoged. Gaardmand          Frørup Sogn, Haderslev Amt 
Magdalene Møller. f. Dampere     51     Gift     Hans Kone          Frørup Sogn, Haderslev Amt 
Karen Hansen Møller     13     Ugift     Deres Datter          Kolstrup, Aabenraa Landsogn, Aabenraa Amt 
Hans Nielsen Andersen     33     Ugift     Tjenestekarl          Vorbasse Sogn, Ribe Amt 
Anne Christine Madsen     21     Ugift     Tjenestepige          Løjt Kirkeby, Aabenraa Amt 
Anne Marie Nielsen     20     Ugift     Tjenestepige          Højer Sogn, Tønder Amt 
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Kilde: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid16414426

So in 1860 he still works as a farm hand.

Niels Just Rasmussen

#4
Lægdsrulle. Tilgangsrulle 1848. Ribe Amt. Andst Sogn. Lægd 83.
Z209.
Father: Anders Hansen.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen.
Born: Voerbasse.
Age: 20.
Height: 61 1/2 danish tommer.
Location: Glibstrup [in Andst Sogn]
Moved from Lægd 82, number 259. [Moved from Gesten Sogn, lægd 82]
Soldier: 1. April 1850.
Kilde (s. 90, z209 left page): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18062,985638

So in 1848 he moves from Gesten Sogn to Glibstrup in Andst Sogn!
In the "census 1850" [1st February] he is back in Gesten Sogn, so the "Lægdsrulle 1850" with him in Andst Sogn must have been written, when he officially still lived in Andst Sogn.
He likely forgot (?) to report it his movement to the authorities?!

Niels Just Rasmussen

#5
By the way Donslund is not in Vorbasse Sogn, but in Hejnsvig Sogn.

Hejnsvig Sogn was "annex" to Vorbasse Sogn meaning Hejnsvig had is own church, but not its own priest.
The priest of Vorbasse Sogn was also priest in Hejsnvig Sogn!

Even in the Census 1834, Donslund is just recorded as Vorbasse Sogn...

So he was born in Donslund [in Hejnsvig Sogn], but the priest recorded him in the church book for Vorbasse Sogn. [He was home-baptised]
See (page 13, number 11): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128288#172699,28994612

Confirmed 3. April 1842 in Vorbasse Sogn.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen, working in Fitting [in Vorbasse Sogn]. Born 24. May 1827.
Father: Deceased parent Anders Hansen.
Mother: wife Kirstine Maria Hansdatter in Donslund.
Confirmation grades:
Knowledge: g [= good after the old Ørsted grading]
Behaviour: mg [= very good]
Vaccinated for smallpox: 1. August 1830 by Roesendahl.
Kilde (page 104, number 3): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128288#172700,28994785

Niels Just Rasmussen

I cannot find him in Åbenrå lægdsrulle for 1860.

Lægd 28-29 (possibly the Åbenrå Landsogn) starting here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=19886103#266554,50265707
and ending here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=19886103#266555,50265718
The Town of Åbenrå itself starts here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=19886103#266464,50254231

No luck (though I might have overlooked him?)

So without information from a lægdsrulle (which army unit he potentially was in) it is almost impossible to know whether he was discharged from the army or also fought in 1864.

Inger Toudal

Hovedrulle 1856, Kirchspiel Andst (lægd 83): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18660,1157924 - 89 / 49

- he has not reported to the military authorities that he has moved out of the parish, and they don't know where he is. Removed from the roll in 1866.

In his application 1876 for the erindringsmedalje he only mentions participating in the war 1850.

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Inger
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Inger Toudal

Uwe Jacobsen

Hallo Inger, hallo Niels,

vielen Dank für Eure Beiträge und die Mühe, die ihr euch gemacht habt.

Kann man zusammenfassend sagen, dass Hans Nielsen Andersen  im Jahre 1850 Kriegsteilnehmer war?
Infanterist des 2. Verstärkungs-Bataillons, 4. Kompanie. Das entnehme ich euren übereinstimmenden Beiträgen.
( Schlacht bei Idstedt am 25. Juli 1850, starke Verluste auf beiden Seiten. Der Krieg endete mit einem Sieg der Dänen gegen die Schleswig-Holsteiner ).
Er wurde 1848 als Wehrpflichtiger erfaßt und ist 1853 ausgeschieden.

Herzlichen Dank
Uwe


Niels Just Rasmussen

Hi Uwe.

We know that 2. Forstæknings Bataljon only existed in 1848-1852 ("Den opløstes 15. maj 1852" - so the unit was disbanded that date).

Yet one of the lægdsruller states:

Lægdsrulle 1850. Ribe Amt. Andst Sogn. Lægd 83.
Number Z209.
Father: Anders Hansen.
Name: Hans Nielsen Andersen.
Born: Donslund.
Age: 23 years old.
Height: 61 1/2 danish tommer [161 cm]
Vedtegninger: Infanteri 1. April 1850. [Date of joining the army, he is enrolled in the 2. Forstærknings Bataljon in 15. June 1850, perhaps after the basic army training first]
2. F[or]st[ærknings] B[ataljon] 16/53.
Source (page 347, top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18072,988660

It says says 16/53, which would normally be a serial number and date - so 1853; but 2. Forstærknings Bataljon shouldn't exist anymore?!
So it is likely that he left the army when the unit was disbanded. It is impossible to be sure, though. He could for a short period 1852-1853 be in another unit?

At the battle of Isted 1850 it was the 5. Brigade that had the biggest Danish loses, but 2. Forstærknings Bataljon was not one of the units with the biggest losses. 
It is the 3 below bolded units who fought at Bøgmose and Bøgholt.

From "Isted 1850: Når sammenbrud i planer og føring leder til kaos" by Rune Holmeå Iversen.
"I sårede og dræbte alene var det 5. Brigade, som led de største tab".
De tre bataljoner (3. Linjeinfanteribataljon, 3. Forstærkningsbataljon og 5. Forstærkningsbataljon), der havde kæmpet i Bøgmose og Bøgholt var hårdest ramt og havde tabt imellem 15-21 % af deres personel (hhv. 150, 218 og 154 mand). 3. Forstærkningsbataljon havde mistet 11 officerer ud af 18."
Source (page 104-105 in original): http://docplayer.dk/105224805-Om-laering-og-indsigt-fra-krig.html

Uwe Jacobsen

Hi Niels,

thank you very much for your help.

Greetings from Kiel
Uwe