Copenhagen Childrens Home 1840

Cora Patel · 19 Jul 2011 - 20:28

Hello,
Could anyone help me?
I am trying find records from Desuden de i Opfostningshuset at Store Kongensgade in Copenhagen (Sankt Anna Oster Kvarter) regarding three brothers.

I think all three brothers passed through the Orphanage.
Heinrich Balthasar Skibsbye aged 12 is recorded on the 1840 Census (b.1828)
Jens Nielsen Skibsbye aged 14 is recorded on the 1845 Census (b.1893)
I am trying to trace the eldest brother, Balder Cristjan Skibsbye (b.1825)

In the 1845 Census, Heinrich (Heindrich) is aged 17 and an apprentice carpenter in Soro - Slagelse Parish, Slottensgade in the home of Carpenter Peter Jacobsen and Caroline Peterson.

In this census, there is a Peter Skibsbye aged 20, also an apprentice (saddle master) in Soro in the home of Jens Petersen and Marie Emilie Larsen.
I wondered/ think this is Heinrich brother Balder Cristjan, the forenames are different but the surname is unusual.
Can anyone help me find out if they are one and the same person??
Their parents were Niels Christian Larsen (b.1790) and Lise Phissel (b.1795) many thanks everyone!!
Many thank

Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen · 19 Jul 2011 - 21:41

Hi Cora

Have you found their birth in the birthrecords on AO?
If so, please let us know the informations.
The more exact informations we get, the better we can help.

The records from Opfostringshuset will be in Rigsarkivet and not online.

Regards
Ruth

Cora Patel · 19 Jul 2011 - 21:53

Hi Ruth,
thanks for your reply, I could only find the information on the census.
I have managed to find later information on DK archive perhaps I have not looked properly?
Do you think that maybe his birth name could be different?
From what I have gathered it looks like the boys were fostered out to be apprentices at the age of 15.
I feel that this is the person but I want to qualify it really.
Many thanks
Cora

Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen · 19 Jul 2011 - 22:04

Hi
Be carefull, Skibye/Skibby is not so uncommon as we have village/parish called Skibby in Frederiksborg Amt and as long as we had the patronyms the name of village or parish was often added to tell the difference of peoples names

Regards
Ruth

Anne Mortensen · 19 Jul 2011 - 22:07

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HEINRICH BALTHASAR HILKER SKIBSBYE Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 OCT 1828 Trinitatis, Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn, Denmark

Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: NIELS CHRISTIAN SKIBSBYE Family
Mother: ELISABETH SORENSEN PISELHOY

Lissa Pedersen · 19 Jul 2011 - 22:11

Hi Cora,

You do not mention the 1834 census, but perhaps you already have it:

København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Prinsensgade 371,Bagstuen til Forgaarden, 7, FT-1834, C5734
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Niels Christian Larsen Skibsbye 45 Gift Musikus
Lise Phisselhoi 39 Gift Konen
Caroline Wilhelmmine Skibsbye 13 Ugift deres Barn
Balder Cristjan Skibsbye 9 Ugift deres Barn
Heinrich Balthaser Skibsbye 6 Ugift deres Barn
Jens Nielsen Skibsbye 3 Ugift deres Barn

Lissa

Anne Mortensen · 19 Jul 2011 - 22:18

kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Prinsensgade 371,Bagstuen til Forgaarden, 7, FT-1834, C5734
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:

Niels Christian Larsen Skibsbye 45 Gift Musikus
Lise Phisselhoi 39 Gift Konen
Caroline Wilhelmmine Skibsbye 13 Ugift deres Barn
Balder Cristjan Skibsbye 9 Ugift deres Barn
Heinrich Balthaser Skibsbye 6 Ugift deres Barn
Jens Nielsen Skibsbye 3 Ugift deres Barn
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kbhv, København (Staden), Rosenborg Kvarter, Vognmagergade Huset No 72, 1ste Sidesal til venstre, 515, FT-1840, C5186
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:

Niels Christian Larsen Skibsby 51 Gift Arbeidsmand
Elisabeth Sørensen 44 Gift Hans Kone
Jens Larsen Skibsby 8 Ugift Deres Søn
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Anne Mortensen · 19 Jul 2011 - 22:22

Navn: Jens Skibsbye Alder: 14 Erhverv: til Opdragelse heri Stiftelsen Fødested: Kjøbenhavn
Kilde: FT-1845 Amt: København Herred: København (Staden) Sogn: Sankt Annæ Øster Kvarter Stednavn: Det kgl.Opfostringshus
Matr.nr/adresse: Store Kongensgade 269 Indtastningsnr: C3485 Løbenr.: 9333

Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen · 19 Jul 2011 - 23:11

Hi Cora
You might be rigth about Peter Skibsbye:

Groom's Name: Peder Baltzer Nielsen Skibsbye
Groom's Birth Date: 1826
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 26
Bride's Name: Jacobine Amalie Cleviin
Bride's Birth Date: 1830
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 22
Marriage Date: 18 Jan 1852
Marriage Place: Garnisons Sogn,Kobenhavn,Kobenhavn,Denmark

You find the marriage in København, Sokkelund, Garnisons 1847-1856, opslag 99 nr. 8

And here is his birth:
København, Sokkelund, Trinitatis, 1813-1827, opslag 344
born 19. Aug 1825, Peder Balder, Baptism. 13. Nov. 1825.
Parents: Musikant Niels Christian Larsen Skibye, Vognmagergade 85 and wife Elisabeth Sørensen.
(Skibye) is added as it was not easy to read the first Skibye.

So - you were right

Regards
Ruth

Cora Patel · 19 Jul 2011 - 23:25

Ohhh Ruth you are an ANGEL!!!
I have been working on this for over a year.
It was Karsten Madsen that pointed me to this site - a very helpful person too.
I didn't want to say but I am having a family history day with all my family on Sunday and have been desperately trying to qualify my instincts that Balder was indeed Peter the carpenter.
Many many thanks.

Cora

Lissa Pedersen · 20 Jul 2011 - 00:02

Hi Cora,

Could this be your Jacobine Clevin?

Frederiksborg, Lynge-Kronborg, Fredensborg Slot, Fredensborg, Fattighuset (poor/working house), 39 F108, FT-1845, C3307
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Berthe Andersen 70 Enke fattiglem Fredensb.
Christiane Corneliussen 73 Enke fattiglem Asmind, Fborg A
Sophie Greff 84 Enke fattiglem Kjøbenhavn
Sidsel Mikkelsen 50 Ugift fattiglem Daglykke, Frborg Amt
Inger Pedersdatter 64 Enke fattiglem Daglykke, Frborg Amt
Ane Pedersen 70 Ugift fattiglem Helsingør
Karen Larsdatter 78 Enke fattiglem ??, Fredbg. A
Karen Larsdatter 75 Enke fattiglem Asmind, Fborg A
Niels Andersen 32 Ugift fattiglem Lønholt, Frb. Amt
Karen Cleviin 60 Enke (widow) fattiglem (pauper) Kjøbenhavn
Jacobine Cleviin 16 Ugift fattiglem (pauper) Kjøbenhavn
Ellen Nielsdatter 84 Enke fattiglem Nakkehoved, Fborg Amt
Gertrud Jensdatter 78 Ugift fattiglem Kjøbenhavn
Anders Knudsen 34 Ugift fattiglem Danstrup, Freborg. A.
Otto Rademager 64 Ugift fattiglem Altona
Ole Hansen 64 Ugift fattiglem Daglykke, Frborg Amt
Peder Povelsen 74 Enkemand fattiglem Toelt, Frbg. Amt
Svend Hansen 80 Enkemand fattiglem Karlebo, Fborg Amt

And perhaps she is here in 1840:

kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, Balsamgade, , Huuset nr. 454, Kvisten, 461 F22, FT-1840
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Karen Jacobsen 54 Enke (widow) Vaskerkone
Niels Christ. Klevin 18 Ugift hendes Søn, gaaer paa Tobaksbinderarbeide
Poul Klevin 15 Ugift hendes Søn
Jens Peter Klevin 13 Ugift hendes Søn
Else Marie Klevin 22 Ugift hendes Datter, tjener i Ugeviis
Jacobine Klevin 11 Ugift hendes Datter (her daughter)

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 20 Jul 2011 - 00:18

Hi Cora,

Jacobine's siblings:

kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , , Balsamgade 454,Qvisten, 4, FT-1845
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Bergitte Æversen 47 Enke lever af Syning Kjøbenhavn
Fredrikke Ratzenburg 21 Ugift hendes Datter,Fabriksarbeide Kjøbenhavn
Cathrine Ratzenburg 17 Ugift hendes Datter Kjøbenhavn
Johanne Glose 59 Enke lever af Syning Kjøbenhavn
Fredrik Møllnitz 41 Gift Skrædersvend Kjøbenhavn
Wilhelmine Danielsen 31 Gift hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Else Marie Klevin 26 Ugift lever af Syning Kjøbenhavn
Niels Høbye 4 hendes Søn (her son) Kjøbenhavn
Niels Christian Klevin 23 Ugift i Søetatens Tjeneste Kjøbenhavn
Paul Jacobsen Klevin 20 Ugift Cigarmager Kjøbenhavn
Jens Peter Klevin 17 i Cigarmager Lære Kjøbenhavn
Svend Thorsen Schæfer 35 Ugift Arbeidsmand Kjøbenhavn
Christiane Fergesen 45 Ugift Waagekone Kjøbenhavn
Andrea Kryer 24 Ugift hendes Datter,lever af Syning Kjøbenhavn

Lissa

Cora Patel · 20 Jul 2011 - 11:17

Thanks Everyone for your help.
Lissa, Yes it seems they are - interesting too as Jacobine's son & Grandson - Frederick and Rudolph were in the cigar trade at times.
Perhaps there was a factory near Sankt Hans Gade.

I am looking now for other records of Frederick Elias Neilsen Skibsbye, son of Jacobine and my great grandfather. So far I have his birth and baptism in Denmark, a census from 1885 showing his "Other Wife (!)" Sofie Mathilde Skibsby and son Rudolph Theobald and his death in 1917 recorded by another "Wife" (!!) Jensine Ferdinande.
Also, could you point me in the direction/ help with Service Records?
On my great grandfathers wedding certificate it says his father, Peter Neilsen Skibsbye was an Officer in the Army (deceased) I can't find any records for him other than his marriage to Jacobine and the birth of his children.
Many thanks once again and if youever need help this end please let me know.
Kind Regards
Cora

Lissa Pedersen · 20 Jul 2011 - 11:28

Hi Cora,

Found this on www.fogsgaard.org:

Sofie Mathilde Skibsby
arbejderske (worker)

Born: 22-01-1840 Place of birth: Cimrishamn (my comment: Simrishamn is in Sweden)
Died: 11-09-1922 Address: Borgergade 9,2

No spouse mentioned.

Number of children at home: 2

Founds this too:

Landsarkivets løbenr.: S 3582

Frederik Elias Nielsen Skibsbye
sailor, newspaper dealer

Born: 21-10-1852 Place of birth: København
Died: 24-12-1917 Address: Snaregade 4,3

Spouse: Jensine Ferdinandine Born: 26-05-1870 Place of birth: København

Lissa

Cora Patel · 20 Jul 2011 - 14:24

Hi Lissa,
Thanks for that!
I was mistaken then - I thought leaf seller was something to do with tobacco and cigars! So it means Newspaper Seller

Many thanks
Cora

Ruth Steenberg Rasmussen · 20 Jul 2011 - 19:59

Hi Cora

A little curiosity to your story:

Frederik Elias Nielsen Skibsby was not buried but left his body to the surgical academy.

Look: København, Sokkelund, Helligånd 1904-1921, opslag 104, nr. 54

Regards
Ruth

Lissa Pedersen · 20 Jul 2011 - 22:37

Hi Cora,

Rudolf Nielsen Sofus Theobald Skibsby is here: http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1913920&backside=0

You will find Sofie Mathilde Skibbye's death in Skt. Paul parish (1920-1930), opslag No. 173. Says that she was born Lundgreen and was a widow.

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 20 Jul 2011 - 23:33

Just so we can see the 1885 census:

kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Hans Gade (Ulige numre), Udby. Klædebo Kvarter, , Sankt Hans Gade 15 Matr. 73A 4A Forhus 4. Sal th, 11, FT-1885
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Frederik Elias Nielsen Skibsby 32 Gift Husfader Søminearbeider Kjøbenhavn
Sofie Mathilde Skibsby 38 Gift Husmoder Lidt Rengjøring Kjøbenhavn
Rudolf Theobald Sophus Skibsby 4 Ugift Søn Kjøbenhavn

Here is Jensine Fernandine born Andersen: http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1618193

It says in the document that she was an abandoned wife.

She is here too: http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1618185&limitstart=20

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 21 Jul 2011 - 00:32

Hi Cora,

You will find Jensine Andersen in the 1916 census in Stengade 21, 5th fl. with the children Anna b. 17 Sep 1893 and Camilla b. 22 Dec. 1902 - opslag 33.

On next opslag - 34 - there is a Rudolf Andersen b. 28 July 1907 - could be that he is her child too?

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 21 Jul 2011 - 00:56

Hi Cora,

You will find Rudolf and his family in the 1911 census in Dronningens Tværgade 49, 2nd fl. - opslag 77:

Rudolf F.S.N. Skibsbye - b. 7 April 1880
Ranghilde Hedvig Skibsbye - b. 7 ?? 1880
Caroline S.R. Skibsbye - b. 3 June 1901
Erna Sofie Hildur Skibsbye - b. 30 May 1902

This could be Ragnhilde Hedvig with parents and siblings in 1885:

kbhv, København (Staden), Borgergade (lige numre), No. 68 Matrikel no. 121, Forhus, , 2. Sal, 8, FT-1885
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Frants Andersen 44 Gift Husfader Skomagersvend Christiansstad, Sverrig (from Sweden)
Marie Andersen 43 Gift Husmoder Landskrona i Sverrig (from Sweden)
Frants Carolius Andersen 20 Ugift Søn Conditorsvend Kjøbenhavn
Nielsine Antoinette Johanne Andersen 16 Ugift Datter Tjenestepige Kjøbenhavn
Nicolai Anton Andersen 14 Ugift Søn Bydreng Kjøbenhavn
Franziska Elvira Carry Andersen 12 Ugift Datter Bypige Kjøbenhavn
Robert Anders Theodor Andersen 9 Ugift Søn Kjøbenhavn
Ove Osvald Hermann Andersen 7 Ugift Søn Kjøbenhavn
Ragnhilda Hedvig Andersen 4 Ugift Datter Kjøbenhavn
Ynghild Inga Petronella Andersen 2 Ugift Datter Kjøbenhavn
Harald Theodor Emilius Street 19 Ugift Logerende Skomagersvend Viborg
Carl Alfred Bergstrøm 25 Ugift Logerende Skomagersvend Lund i Sverrig

Lissa

Lissa Pedersen · 21 Jul 2011 - 01:09

One of the children is here - Nicolai Anton - he had been in America: http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/index.php?option=com_sfup&controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1742263&limitstart=0

Frants Andersen's death is here:

Landsarkivets løbenr.: A 2361

Frants Andersen
Shoemaker

Born: 27-03-1840 Place of birth: Christianstad
Died: 27-03-1918 Address: Fredericiagade 48, 2
Spouse: Marie Born: 31-12-1841 Place of birth: Landskrona

Number of children at home: 1

Notes: His birth could als be read as 27-08-1843

Lissa