Help with mysterious child

Startet af Matthew Dent, 22 Jun 2020 - 18:12

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Matthew Dent

Hello,

I recently discovered my 3x great grandmother, Johanne Marie Katrine Larsen (b 4 AUG 1865), had yet another child out of wedlock that I did not previously know about. As I was looking through the 1890 census i noticed a nameless newborn child under her name that I didn't initially think could have been hers. The entries are 38 and 39 here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=59160#59160,12169895

So, cross-referencing with the church books I discovered that indeed it is her child and that it was eventually given the name Johan Kristensen, son of her and Kristen Kristensen. Record number 2 in 1890 here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=356410#356410,70429891

I know that she did not keep this child because he doesn't appear with her in later censuses, and she eventually marries in 1897 and has other children. I also don't believe he died young in Vester Hassing.

I've searched everywhere for Johan and his father Kristen but no dice. Maybe someone else might have better luck? I would greatly appreciate any assistance. The only leads that I have are that maybe Kristen Kristensen's father is this Kristen Pedersen that is in the witnesses column? I can't read enough of it to be sure.

Many thanks.
- Matthew

Hans Chr. Baagøe

Hi

He died at age 6 in Horsens, Kjær Herred: March 21st 1896:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584038#356325,70427478

Hans Chr. Baagøe

Matthew Dent

Wow thank you!
Could I ask what it says in the 5th column? Does it say anything about the mother and father or why he's buried in a different place than where he died?
- Matthew

Hans Chr. Baagøe

Hi

The record only tells the name of the mother, and the name of the husband  of the couple, who raised him. The foster parents was Ole Christian Christensen and his wife in Horsens Enge. The mother was living in Aalborg i 1896.

There is no information about why he is burried in Nørre Sundby. His mother could be living in Nørre Sundby and having her work in Aalborg on a factory.

Marriage in Aalborg Vor Frue (no. 30)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128440#173127,29087868

Census 1901:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-YNGW-F?i=1150&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL6R-WRV9
3 living children in the marriage! But one of them is missing in the census.

Census 1916:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BQ-3DPH-C?i=1750&cc=2717471&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQ2CH-D4CB

Census 1930: Johanne Marie Katrine Larsen married in 1897:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLM-H3TX-M?i=911&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLRZ-P5RZ
3 living and 1 dead child in the marriage!

They have 2 foster children in 1930.

There was a Christen Christensen in Hvorup in 1890:

Alle oplysninger vedr. den valgte person

Navn:   Christen Christensen   Køn:   M
Alder:   20   Civilstand:   Ugift
Fødested:   Hallund Sogn. Hjørring
Erhverv:   Dreng
Kildehenvisning:   Liste 27 Hovedliste   trossamfund:   Lutheran
Kilde:    FT-1890   Husstands-/familienr:   92
Matrnr/adresse:   Hus, 6
Sogn:    Hvorup   Herred:    Kær
Amt:    Aalborg   Stednavn:    Nørre Uttrup
Indtastningsnr:    C1111   Løbenr.:    494
Samtlige personer i husstanden

Aalborg, Kær, Hvorup, Nørre Uttrup, Hus, 6, 92, FT-1890, C1111
Navn:     Alder:     Status:     Stilling i familien:     Erhverv:     Fødested:
Jens Lauritz Pedersen     38     Gift      Husfader      Pottemager      Hvorup Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Augusta Sophie. født Nielsen     32     Gift      Husmoder            Sverrig 
Anna Amanda Pedersen     7     Ugift      Barn            Hvorup Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Jenny Emilie Pedersen     5     Ugift      Barn            Hvorup Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Jens Marius Valdemar Pedersen     4     Ugift      Barn            Hvorup Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
pigerbarn endnu uden navn     0     Ugift      Barn            Hvorup Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Johanne Marie Thomsen     16     Ugift      Tjenestetyende            Hammer Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Carl Sophus Larsen     20     Ugift            Svend      Hammer Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Frans Carl Petersen     16     Ugift            Dreng      Sønder Tranders Sogn. Aalborg Amt 
Christen Christensen     20     Ugift            Dreng      Hallund Sogn. Hjørring 
 
His birth record is here (no. 13):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123348#163284,27427774
I don't know, if could be the father of Johan, but he was on the rigth place at the rigth time.

Hans Christian Baagøe

Matthew Dent

Thank you so much, these are some great clues! Christian Christiansen is one of the most difficult names to have to search for...so many varieties. And yes Johanne had two children before she was married and 3 or 4 with her husband, and one died very young. The foster children are her grandkids, her daughter also had some children before getting married and they lived with her. The daughter lived just down the road in Aalborg at the time.
- Matthew

Hans Chr. Baagøe

Hi

I tried to find Kristian Kristiansen in the military records, but they showed at least 3 possible fathers!

No. 8:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=19913&side=276

No. 9 and 11:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=19921&side=273

The records with the registration of the real father is not online for the wanted area an period.

Hans Chr. Baagøe