Fæste for Hans Christophersen

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 20 Apr 2020 - 20:54

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Hello,

I have a fæste for my Hans Christophersen and I thought I found the actual page but now I am not so sure.

Database: http://faesterogskifter.dk/InfoFpage.aspx?id=71561

Document entry #8 on the left? : http://faesterogskifter.dk/InfoFpage.aspx?id=71561

I see that entry #8 mentions Peder Hansen who may or may not have some relation to Hans Christophersen's wife, Maren Hansdatter.  The database record does not translate well.

Hans Christophersen age 35 married Maren Hansdatter age 37 on 14 Jan 1826 in Stubberup, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark.  The marriage is also recorded in Viby.  In both cases he is listed as a widow and she is single.  Hans was married firstly to Dorthe Madsdatter 19 Jan 1816 in Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark and she died 20 Oct 1825 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark.

Hans and Dorthe marriage #2 in 1815 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=22018995#448718,80661100

Hans and Maren Hansdatter marriage in Stubberup #1-#2 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=22019095#449591,80694978

The marriage #102 in Viby is here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=22019135#449969,80706610

Maren Hansdatter was born 15 Sep 1788 in Snave, Stubberup, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark to Hans Hansen and Anna Olsdatter.  Her birth is here at the bottom left: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17137403#178887,30343346

There is another Maren Hansdatter on the same page but I do not think this is my Maren Hansdatter because the birthplace does not look like Snave.

Based on 1834 Census and 1838 death records for Hans Christophersen he is born around 1789-1791 and since all of the documents say he is from Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark presumably this is where he was born but I have not been able to find a record.


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#1
Fæste 2 Feb.1825 starts here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=20803231#326883,65839158 + following 7 pages

- Møller Peder Hansen's widow is Hans Christophersen's foster mother.

Odense, Bjerge, Dalby, Hersnap Bye, , 17, FT-1801, B5446
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Peder Hansen     57     Gift      Huusbonde      Huusmand med jord og møller       
Maren Christophersdatter     49     Gift      Hans kone 
          
Ole Rasmussen     35     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Maria Larsdatter     14     -      Tienestefolk             
Hans Christophersen     10     -      Hans søstersøn

1801 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1323143

Odense, Bjerge, Dalby, Hersnap bye, -, 57, FT-1787, B2916
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:    
Peder Hansen     41     Gift      mand      huusmand og møller       
Maren Chrestoffersdatter     34     Gift      kone 
          
Karl Mørk     23     Ugift      tjenestekarl             
Johanne Jensdatter     40     Ugift      tjenestepige             
Mette Povelsdatter     30     Ugift      tjenestepige             
Karen Hansdatter     6     Ugift      konens søsterdatter

- 1787 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid280537

Møller Peder Hansen in Hersnap dies 7 Sep.1815:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17128996#174229,29310900 - right page

- and his widow Maren Christophersdatter in 1830.

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#2
Thank you so much Inger!

I think I am getting closer to finding the parents of Hans Christophersen.

Possible confirmation here in 1806 in Kerteminde (father Christopher Hansen) : https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17137823#200532,37990130

Apparently the father of Maren Christophersdatter might be Christopher Smed from Viby or Kerteminde.  Still trying to figure out which sister might be the mother of Hans Christophersen.

Peder Hansen and Maren Christophersdatter were married in Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark on 21 Feb 1782 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17138763#181994,30896879

Maren Christophersdatter birth 2 Jul 1752 in Viby here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17138763#181992,30896594

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#3
The bondsman Ole Hansen of Stubberup at the marriage 1826 could be Maren Hansdatter's brother:

Their father Hans Hansen died 1793: http://faesterogskifter.dk/InfoSpage.aspx?id=22145

Skifte: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070435#139704,34372456

- widow Anne Olsdatter; children: Ole 9 y, Hans 7 y, Maren 4 y, Johanne 1 y.

Odense, Bjerge, Stubberup, Snare bye, ingen, 91, FT-1787, B3164
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:   
Hans Hansen     42     Gift      hosbonde      bonde og huusmand       
Anne Olsdatter     34     Gift      madmoder
            
Ole Hansen     4     Ugift      deres barn             
Hans Hansen     2     Ugift      deres barn             
Maren Larsdatter     71     Enke      indsidder

Odense, Bjerge, Stubberup, Snave Bye, , 3, FT-1801, B5451
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:   
Niels Pedersen     40     Gift      Huusbonde      Huusmand med jord       
Anna Olsdatter     48     Gift      Hans kone             
Hans Nielsen     7     -      Deres barn             
Giertrue Nielsdatter     6     -      Deres barn             
Rebecca Nielsdatter     3     -      Deres barn             
Johanna Hansdatter     11     -      Konens datter 

Odense, Bjerge, Stubberup, Martofte Bye, , 14, FT-1801, B5451
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Anders Pedersen     40     Gift      Huusbonde      Bonde og gaardbeboer       
Maren Nielsdatter     37     Gift      Hans kone             
Johanna Andersdatter     4     -      Deres barn             
Peder Andersen     2     -      Deres barn             
Karen Andersdatter     1     -      Deres barn             
Anders Andersen     35     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Karen Nielsdatter     24     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Peder Nielsen     19     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Lars Christiansen     13     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Maren Hansdatter     12     Ugift      Tienestefolk

Odense, Bjerge, Stubberup, Norskov, , 8, FT-1801, B5451
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:
Hans Christesen     49     Gift      Huusbonde      Bonde og gaardbeboer       
Johanne Pedersdatter     39     Gift      Hans kone             
Peder Hansen     6     -      Deres barn             
Karen Hansdatter     4     -      Deres barn             
Lars Hansen     1     -      Deres barn, tvilling             
Christen Hansen     1     -      Deres barn, tvilling             
Maren Pedersdatter     33     Ugift      Tienestefolk             
Ole Hansen     18     Ugift      Tienestefolk 

Anne Olsdatter died 1829: http://faesterogskifter.dk/InfoSpage.aspx?id=22140

Skifte: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070435#139706,34372742 - right page

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Thank you Inger.  I had some of that.

I checked Viby 1778-1791 and then Kerteminde 1780-1791 for a marriage between Christopher Hansen and someone Christophersdatter but came up empty.

Christopher Smed (born around 1720) had the following children with an unknown spouse:

Karen Christophersdatter (1742 in Måle, Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark and dies 1823) who married Hans Olsen 19 May 1776.  They had Maren, Ursula and Karen.

Anna Dorthe Christophersdatter (22 Nov 1744 in Måle, Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark).  No further information.

Lars Christophersen (24 Nov 1748 in Måle, Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark).  No further information.

Maren Christophersdatter (2 Jul 1752 in Måle, Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark-12 Apr 1830 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark) who married Peder Hansen 21 Feb 1782 in Måle, Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark.  No children found.

The logical choice would be Anna Dorthe as the mother of Hans Christophersen but he had the following children:

With Dorthe Madsdatter
Alheed Hansdatter (1811–1844) illegitimate
4 Aug 1811 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

Peder Hansen Dalby
18 Sep 1817 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

Christopher Hansen
10 May 1819 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

Mads Hansen (1821–1885)
6 Feb 1821 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

Hans Hansen
12 Nov 1823 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

With Maren Hansdatter
Niels Hansen (1826–1871)
23 Jul 1826 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

Birth and death of Jens Hansen
19 Jul 1828 in Hersnap, Dalby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark

With only one daughter, and her name is Alheed, this is not helpful.


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#6
According to the levying roll, Hans Christophersen was born in Copenhagen:

1797: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17595,840901 - F 127

1799: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17602,842995 - F 127

- father Christopher Mortensen

B: Hans                                                         
F: Christopher Mortensen - kældermand p nørreg.                   Døbt: 02.05.1790
M: Anne Hansdatter                                                Sogn: Vor Frue                 
                                                                  KBog: 1-13-9

B: Karen                                                         
F: Christopher Mortensen - værtshusmand p nørreg.                 Døbt: 11.10.1791
M: Anne Hansdatter                                                Sogn: Vor Frue                 
                                                                  KBog: 1-13-9

- source: http://danbbs.dk/~stst/kbh_kbg_reg/

Anne Hansdatter must be Peder Hansen's sister.

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#7
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 21 Apr 2020 - 00:18

Peder Hansen and Maren Christophersdatter were married in Viby, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark on 21 Feb 1782 here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=17138763#181994,30896879

- one of the bondsmen is Hans Philip Høg.

Odense, Bjerge, Kerteminde Købstad, Vestergade, 150. Fam. [Et hus], 138, FT-1787, A1416
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation: 
Hans Philip Høgt     67     gift      mand             
Else Pedersdatter     65     gift      hans kone      husmoder
       
Johanne Hansdatter     30     ugift      deres datter 

- 1787 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid62512

Hans Philip Høegh and Else Pedersdatter married 1744 in Ullerslev parish (Svendborg county):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17129072#174272,29315532 - left page

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17129216#174359,29325974 - right page

Apparently, Peder Hansen was also called Høegh.

Probate extract from https://www.brejl.dk/kerteminde.html

425 Else Pedersdatter i Kerteminde. 26.3.1789, fol.250B.
E: Hans Filip Høgh. B:
1) Peder Høgh 44, møller i Hersnap [i Dalby sogn]
2) Clara Marie Høgh 42, gift i København
3) Hans Adolf Høgh 38
4) Margrethe Dorthe Høgh 35, på Østrupgård ved Fåborg
5) Johanne Kirstine Høgh 33
6) Anne Høgh 30, i København
7) Kirsten Høgh 26, i Søllested sogn ved Assens
8) Marie Elisabeth Høgh 24, i København.

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Possible confirmation of Hans Christophersen in Stubberup 1806:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138451#181312,30782816 - left page

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Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 21 Apr 2020 - 12:29

Anne Hansdatter must be Peder Hansen's sister.

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Thank you so much Inger.  I was on the completely wrong track all because I misread the 1801 Census as "her sister's son" instead of "his sister's son".  Yes, he was known as Møller Peder Hansen Høgh.

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Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 21 Apr 2020 - 12:29
According to the levying roll, Hans Christophersen was born in Copenhagen:

1797: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17595,840901 - F 127

1799: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17602,842995 - F 127

- father Christopher Mortensen

B: Hans                                                         
F: Christopher Mortensen - kældermand p nørreg.                   Døbt: 02.05.1790
M: Anne Hansdatter                                                Sogn: Vor Frue                 
                                                                  KBog: 1-13-9

B: Karen                                                         
F: Christopher Mortensen - værtshusmand p nørreg.                 Døbt: 11.10.1791
M: Anne Hansdatter                                                Sogn: Vor Frue                 
                                                                  KBog: 1-13-9

- source: http://danbbs.dk/~stst/kbh_kbg_reg/

Anne Hansdatter must be Peder Hansen's sister.

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I wonder if this one is any relation?  He has the same profession but the parish is different from the other two children.

B: Gertrud Kirstine                                               Født: 23.08.1805
F: Christopher Mortensen - kældermand                             Døbt: 01.09.1805
M: Mette Elisabeth Mortensdatter                                  Sogn: Garnison                 
                                                                  KBog: 1-19-11

I have not found Christopher Mortensen or Anna Hansdatter Høgh in the census in København or Odense in 1787 or 1801.  Anna is in København by 1789 per the excerpt of her mother's probate but I have not found a marriage record in Kerteminde or København 1787-1790.

Do the military records say anything of note?

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The military records only tell us that Hans came to Hersnap around 1797. At first he didn't have a proper ceritficate of baptism,
but when a certificate issued according to the regulations was produced in 1798, proving that he was born in Copenhagen, he
was removed from the levying roll. Before 1848 only sons of farmers were entered in the Danish levying rolls.

It could be the same Christopher Mortensen in 1805, but I cannot find him in the 1801 Census, either.

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