Translation help for death record Margrethe Jørgensdatter

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 16 Feb 2020 - 06:01

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Hello,

I have the death record for my Margrethe Jørgensdatter and I cannot tell if it says that her husband, Anders Jensen, has pre-deceased her or not.

Death record #4 on 6 Jun 1833 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637436#392933,74319054

Confirmation records also have some writing that I cannot make out but might shed light on what happened to poor Anders Jensen.

Confirmation Kirsten Andersdatter 1825 in Ølsted, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark #1 here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9943-S88L?i=45&cc=2078555&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG35-77T5

Confirmation Karen Marie Andersdatter 1831 in Tilst, Hasle, Århus, Denmark #7 here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9943-1XP9?i=80&cc=2078555&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG35-L2P8

Confirmation Jakob Andersen 1822 in Tilst, Hasle, Århus, Denmark #7 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637436#392930,74319025

This might be him in the Census.

Year:   FT-1787   Source reference:   -   
Household No:   16   
Name:   Anders Jensen   
Age:   13      Civil status:   Ugift   
Position in household:   tjenestekarl   
Parish:   Tilst   District:   Hasle
Shire:   Aarhus   Place name:   Tilst By
Source entry No:   B3294   Record No.:   95

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Peder Andersen     36     Ugift     husbonde     bonde og gaardbeboer      
Anna Pedersdatter     74     Enke(mand)     hans moder           
Rasmus Berthelsen     17     Ugift     tjenestekarl           
Kirsten Nielsdatter     24     Ugift     tjenestepige           
Anders Jensen     13     Ugift     tjenestekarl      

***********************************************

Year:   FT-1801   Source reference:      
Household No:   18   
Name:   Anders Jensen      Gender:   M   
Age:   28      Civil status:   Ugift   
Position in household:   hendes søn   
Parish:   Tilst   District:   Hasle
Shire:   Aarhus   Place name:   Tilst Bye
Source entry No:   B3296   Record No.:   81

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Karen Andersdatter     60     Enke     husmoder     bondekone, gaardbeboer      
Niels Jensen     29     Ugift     hendes søn           
Anders Jensen     28     Ugift     hendes søn           
Peder Jensen     26     Ugift     hendes søn           
Maren Jensdatter     21     Ugift     hendes datter           
Rasmus Jensen     15     Ugift     hendes søn 

Lennarth Nielsen

hi Rebecca,

I've looked in the listed records and nothing indicates that Anders should have passed away. I searched the family in Århus county for 1834, but they didn't show up. Maybe they have moved further away than Århus county. A possibility would be to find Anders in the military levying rolls (lægdsruller) and follow him from there. I have inserted part of the text from the records below.

Death record for Margrethe Jørgensdatter
Indsidder Anders Jensens Hu-
strue i Gjeding.

Indsidder is an old Danish word for a person, who is renting a place to live on a farm. So the text means:
This person (indsidder) Anders Jensen's wi-
fe in Gjeding.

Kirsten Andersdatter 1825 in Ølsted
Kirsten Andersdatter for Sognefoged
Andreas Jensen i Ølsted confirme[-]
ret i Foldby Kirke.

It just says that Kirsten had her confirmation in Foldby church and it was done by the parish executive officer Andreas Jensen.

The next column just mentions the parents:
Faderen Indsidder Anders Jensen
i Gjeding Tilst Sogn. Moderen
Margrethe Jørgensdatter.

Karen Marie Andersdatter 1831 in Tilst
It's just the parents mentioned again:
Forældrene Anders Jensen Indsidder i
Gjeding og Margrethe Jørgensdatter.

Jakob Andersen 1822 in Tilst
Same information with the names of the parents:
Forældrene Anders Jensen og Margrethe
Jørgensdatter Indsidderfolk i Gjeding

Lennarth

Thank you so much Lennarth!

CitatIndsidder Anders Jensens Hu-
strue i Gjeding.

So if he is listed as 'insidder' then chances are he is still alive in 1833 when Margrethe Jørgensdatter dies.  Usually I see 'Enke efter' if the spouse has died before them.

This does not explain why I cannot find poor Anders in Århus, Denmark for the 1834 Census.  So far, all I have found is that the children stayed in Århus, Denmark except for the confirmation of Kirsten Andersdatter in Ølsted, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark.

Lennarth Nielsen

hi again Rebecca,

you're welcome. Yes, I'd expect that he's still alive after Margrethe's death. You can also try to find an administration (skifte) after Margrethe, which should confirm, if Anders is still alive after her death. There's a good historic dictionary with Danish words, but the explanations are in Danish only. Here's an example with the word indsidder:
https://ordnet.dk/ods/ordbog?query=indsidder&tab=for

Sometimes, you'll also see the abbrevation afd., which stands for afdøde (=deceased). Anders could have moved in 1833 or 1834 and then you wouldn't find him in Århus county. It doesn't seem like it as I didn't find him in list of people, who has moved out of the parish (afgangsliste):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=392934#392934,74319083

If he has moved you should also be able to find it in the military levying (lægdsruller) rolls as mentioned. Here'll you'll find the entrance for lægdsruller and skifter:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/collection/theme/21

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/collection/theme/30

Lennarth

Thank you for that information and the links Lennarth.

I think I found the marriage record for Margrethe Jørgensdatter and Anders Jensen on 21 Nov 1801 in Hårslev, Skovby, Odense, Denmark.

Here 2nd from the top on the right: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=179649#179649,30466353

This led me to the Census and I think I find her as follows:

Year:   FT-1787   Source reference:   Mikrofiche 437   
Household No:   F 8   
Name:   Magrethe Jørgensdatter   
Age:   11      Civil status:   -   
Position in household:   Deres datter      Occupation:   -   
Parish:   Haarslev   District:   Skovby
Shire:   Odense   Place name:   Eilschow Bye
Source entry No:   A3175   Record No.:   901

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Jørgen Andersen     70     g     Huusbond     Bonde og Gaardmand      
Ane Hansdatter     38     g     Hans kone     -      
Magrethe Jørgensdatter     11     -     Deres datter     -      
Michel Hansen     30     u     Konens broder     -      
Marie Hansdatter     28     u     -     Tienestepige 

Year:   FT-1801   Source reference:   180   
Cadastre/Address:   F 19   
Household No:   201   
Name:   Magrethe Jørgensdatter      Gender:   K   
Age:   24      Civil status:   Ugift   
Position in household:   Baen af 2. ægteskab      Occupation:   -   
Parish:   Haarslev   District:   Skovby
Shire:   Odense   Place name:   Eilskow Bye
Comments:   -   
Source entry No:   A3467   Record No.:   1119

All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Jørgen Andersen     84     Gift     Huusbonde     Bonde og Gaardmand      
Marie Hansdatter     54     Gift     Hans kone     -      
Magrethe Jørgensdatter     24     Ugift     Baen af 2. ægteskab     -      
Anders Jensen     35     Ugift     Tienestefolk     
-      
Jens Jensen     16     Ugift     Tienestefolk     -      

The marriage record seems to indicate that Anders Jensen was also in Ejlskov at the time of their marriage but this does not match up with what I thought I had for him.  The 1801 Census is the only Anders Jensen in the parish besides another Anders who is only 1 years old.

I thought I had found him in 1801 living in Tilst with his mother but now I am wondering if I have that wrong.

Karen Andersdatter 60 Enke husmoder bondekone, gaardbeboer
Niels Jensen 29 Ugift hendes søn
Anders Jensen 28 Ugift hendes søn

I am starting to think that his parents were not Jens Nielsen Trige and Karen Andersdatter after all.

I am still looking for a death record for him in hopes that it might name his father or give me a clue as to where he is from.

Britta Hansen

#6
Anders Jensen reported that his wife Ane Margrethe Jørgensdatter had died on 6 June -
Hasle-Vester Lisbjerg-Framlev-Sabro Herredsfoged
Dødsanmeldelsesprotokol no.144 last record in the list
The children are listed:
daughter Kirsten Andersdatter, ugift [not married]
-   do -    Karen Marie Andersdatter, ugift
son Jacob Andersen, husmand i Weilbye [Vejlby, Hasle, Århus]
daughter Mette Marie Andersdatter gift med tjenestekarl Søren? Jensen i Haldum

Trige, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus:
Anders Jensen in Zeuthen [Søften] and Ane Magrete Jørgensdatter, Trige married on 25 Nov 1806 - left 2. marriage
Venlig hilsen
Britta Hansen

britta.hansen12@gmail.com

Thank you so much Britta!

I had no idea they had a daughter named Mette Marie.  I have been unable to locate a birth for her and I searched Tilst, Hasle, Århus, Denmark 1802-1824.  I also could not locate a marriage for her in Tilst, Hasle, Århus, Denmark or Haldum, Sabro, Århus, Denmark from 1814-1833 (when her mother died).  I also could not locate a confirmation in Tilst 1814-1834.  I also checked Ølsted, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark 1814-1833 where Kirsten Andersdatter had her confirmation and did not find a record.  I then checked Folby for a confirmation 1814-1835 and did not find a record there.

I found this in the skiteprotokol for Ane Margrethe Jørgensdatter but I do not think it reveals much.

1833-No 144 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=193370#193370,32418944