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Hello,

I have the marriage record for my Niels Jensen Balle and Nielsine Sørensen but I cannot decipher the place name of her father, Søren Nielsen Bonde.

Marriage #5 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247

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I read Ormslev.

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Viborg, Hids, Balle, Vester Kejlstrup, Avlsgaarden, Vester Kejlstrup, , FT-1880, B1747
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Johan Henrik Hee     61     Gift      Husfader, Propritær            Holms Mølle, Serup sogn 
Christiane Hee     51     Gift      Hustru            Holms Mølle, Serup sogn 
Augusta Sofie Hee     20     Ugift      Datter            Pederstrup sogn, Aarhus amt 
Valdemar Hee     10     Ugift      Søn            Vester Kejlstrup, Balle sogn 
Lourie Markusen Schack     22     Ugift      Husholdningselev            Uldum sogn, Vejle amt 
Peter Sørensen     20     Ugift      Forvalter            Rye sogn 
Nielsine Sørensen     23     Ugift      Mejerske            Lisbjerg sogn, Aarhus amt 
Mette Katrine Sørensen     24     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Sinding sogn 
Kristine Rasmussen     22     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Balle sogn 
Ane Pedersen     20     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Bording sogn 
Karen Marie Jensen     19     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Tvilum sogn 
Johanne Ane Gregensen     13     Ugift      Tjenestepige            Gødvad sogn 
Birte Jensdatter     68     Ugift      Under fattigforsørgelse            Hjortshøj sogn, Aarhus amt 
Daniel Pedersen     34     Ugift      Kudsk            Tandskov, Serup sogn 
Kristian Sørensen     23     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Balle sogn 
Peder Jensen     21     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Vinderslev sogn 
Simon Sørensen     26     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Them sogn 
Anders Peter Larsen     19     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Kjøbenhavn 
Niels Sørensen     19     Ugift      Tjenestekarl            Funder sogn 
Rasmus Sørensen     42     Ugift      Staldkarl            Fadbjerg sogn 
Niels Peder Jensen     39     Ugift      Mejeriforpagter            Gjellerup sogn, Ringkøbing amt 
Rasmus Pedersen     39     Ugift      Røgter            Them sogn 
Søren Nielsen     28     Ugift      Røgter            Vrads sogn 
Poul Thomsen     21     Ugift      Gartner            Solbjerg sogn, Skanderborg amt 

Aarhus, Ning, Ormslev, Ormslev By, Sogn, 4 En Huus, 56, FT-1880, C8155
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen Bonde     57     Gift      Husfader, Kludesamler            G..?? Sogn, Aarhus Amt 
Karen Marie Andesdatter     63     Gift      hans Kone            Tils [Tilst?] Sogn, Aarhus Amt   

1880 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10754158   

Aarhus, Vester Lisbjerg, Lisbjerg, Liisberg Skov, Et Huus, 13, FT-1860, C1794
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen     36     Gift      Huusmand, Huusfader, Arbeidsmand            Grundfør S., Aarhuus Amt 
Karen Marie Andersdatter     41     Gift      hans Kone            Tiilst Sogn, Aarhuus Amt 
Ane Margrethe Sørensen     10     Ugift      [deres datter]            Ølsted Sogn, Aarhuus Amt 
Nielsine Sørensen     4     Ugift      [deres datter]            her i Sognet 

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Do you think on the 1880 Census Søren Nielsen Bonde says he is born in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark?  That is what I have but the word in the Census does not look like it says that.

Birth #7 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549

Marriage #7 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453

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hi Rebecca,

I looked at the handwritten censuses from 1860 and 1880 and for the one in 1860 there's no doubt that it says Grundfør as given in the digitalised census posted by Inger:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=9183#9183,223195

The parish in the census for 1880 is a bit more tricky, but the text could be something like Gronfe, which very well could be Grundfør as it makes most sense looking at the parishes starting with a G in Århus amt - it says Aarhus Amt below the parish. Pronunciation and spelling can differ a lot from person to person and from place to place and there're several examples of funny ways of spelling done by this person writing the pages around Søren Nielsen and his family. Link to the census:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=54996#54996,11953308

Examples of spelling, which differ from what could be expected at the time:

Tils - Tilst
Sogen - Sogn
Pleibaren - Pleiebarn
Arbeimand - Arbeidsmand

Greetings from Lennarth
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Thanks Lennarth.  I wanted to confirm because the parents appear to have two sons by the name of Søren Nielsen (born close together), which is not uncommon, but they also moved all over the place.

Census:
1834 in Balle Bye, Mørke, Øster Lisbjerg, Randers, Denmark
1840 in Mårup Bye, Nødager, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark
1845 in Ulstrup, Feldballe, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark
1850 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark
1855 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark
1860 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark

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hi again Rebecca,

you're welcome. Yes, I now see that there were several children born with the name Søren Nielsen around 1823 in Grundfør parish. The lastname Bonde is also found in the father's name for some of them. Which one of them is the right one I can't say as it isn't possible to distinguish them by vaccination date. Best would probably be to follow all of them to see, if you can find more information during their lives to be able to eliminate them one by one and at the end find the right one. More information might be found at their confirmation. As I see it the possibilities for the right person could be those here (I looked for Søren Nielsen +/- three years):

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288548

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288552

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288554

You can also see, if you can find the administrations for the deceased Søren Nielsens. Maybe it will hold some useful information.

Greetings from Lennarth
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Aarhus, Vester Lisbjerg, Trige, Trige by, , 8, et hus, FT-1850, C0340
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen     28     Gift            Indsidder og træskoarbeider      Grundfør sogn, Aarhus amt 
Karen Marie Andersdatter     34     Gift            Hans kone      Tilst sogn, Aarhus amt 
Stine Sørensen     2     Ugift            Deres datter      Zeuthen sogn, Aarhus amt [Søften sogn] 

Daughter Stine: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21637336#391808,74289424 - No 6

- godmother: Faderens Søster, Pige Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter af Grundfør.

Randers, Øster Lisbjerg, Mørke, Balle Bye, en Gaard, 2, FT-1834, C3660
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation: 
Niels Sørensen     38     Gift            Fæstegaardmand       
Birthe Marie Sørensdatter     32     Gift            hans Kone       
Søren Nielsen     12     Ugift            deres Børn       
Christine Nielsdatter     10     Ugift            deres Børn       
Søren Nielsen     8     Ugift            deres Børn
      
Hans Nielsen     4     Ugift            deres Børn       
Frands Nielsen     2     Ugift            deres Børn       
Bartelomani Johannes Albretsen     33     Ugift            Tjenestefolk       
Christen Madsen     26     Ugift            Tjenestefolk 

- Anne Kirstine b. 6 Mar. 1824: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288644 - No 2

Søren's confirmation 1837 in Mørke parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618685#383328,74054583 - No 6

- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis

At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7

- a mistake?

You should be able to follow him in the military levying rolls, Lægdsruller. 

Younger brother Søren b. 12 Dec. 1825: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288554 - No 9

- confirmation 1840 in Nødager parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585594#369040,70721579 - No 6

- here in the 1850 Census:

Randers, Djurs Sønder, Rosmus, Ørup, gaard, 6, FT-1850, C5832
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birthplace:
Niels Sørensen Skomager     53     Gift            gaardmand, huusfader      Grundfør Sogn, Aarhus Amt 
Birgitte Marie Sørensdtr.     48     Gift            hans kone      Do 
Christine Nielsdtr.     27     Ugift            deres børn      Do 
Søren Nielsen     26     Ugift            do      Do 
Frants Nielsen     17     Ugift            do      Mørke Sogn, Randers Amt 
Jens Skriver Nielsen     13     Ugift            do      Do 
Kirsten Nielsen     11     Ugift            do      Do 
Carl Fredrik Nielsen     8     Ugift            do      Nødager Sogn, Randers Amt 
Rasmus Peder Nielsen     5     Ugift            do      Feldballe Sogn, Randers Amt 
Birthe Marie Jensdtr.     19     Ugift            tjenestepige      Hoed Sogn, Randers Amt

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Thank you for finding those Lennarth.  I had two of them, to match the two that i have, with the mother Bergethe Marie Sørensdatter, but the father of the other two has Bonde tagged onto the end so now I am not sure I have the right mother.

I definitely know that my Nielsine Sørensdatter has a father named Søren Nielsen Bonde as given on her marriage record #5 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247

Nielsine had 11 children so I will go back and double check the witnesses to see if a mother is mentioned.  Based on those birth records I think the mother of my Søren Nielsen (and Søren Jonas) should be Kirsten Sørensdatter.

I found this confirmation record for Søren Nielsen Skomager which is how I have seen who I thought was his father named in Census records, Søren Nielsen Skomager.  Confirmation here #6: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383328,74054583
« Senest redigeret: 15 Feb 2020 - 19:15 af Rebecca Johnson »

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Seen my posting about father's sister Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter being godmother of Søren Nielsen's daughter Stine b. 1848?

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Daughter Stine: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21637336#391808,74289424 - No 6

I did not know about this daughter.  Thank you.  I think she must have died young because she is not on the 1860 Census.

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- godmother: Faderens Søster, Pige Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter af Grundfør.

- Anne Kirstine b. 6 Mar. 1824: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288644 - No 2

I do not have a sister by the name of Anne Kirstine Nielsdatter?  The birth that you link has a different father.

I have this birth for Christiane Nielsdatter here #8: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288645

I wonder if her name was just recorded wrong in the baptism for Stine Sørensen?

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- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis

At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7

- a mistake?


That must be a mistake or I need to double confirm the mother of Søren Nielsen (Bonde).

« Senest redigeret: 15 Feb 2020 - 20:39 af Rebecca Johnson »

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Sorry, my mistake. The sister of Søren & Søren is of course Christine Nielsdatter b. 28 May 1824.

You could try to find her coinfirmation.

Maybe Ane was added to her name by mistake at the baptism 1848.

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Rebecca Johnson

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Yes, I have it here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383334,74054839

Her name is Christiane Nielsdatter there as well.

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- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis

At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7

- a mistake?

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I think this matches the vaccination of Christiane Nielsdatter if I am reading her confirmation record correct.