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Jenny Stephensen

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I have a number of street addresses for my ancestor Hans Krough Clausen in Adelgade Nysted. I would like to look at an old map circa 1850 with the street numbers as they would be on the census so i can understand where the houses are now. I have Adelgade 59/60; Adelgade 28 ; Adelgade 53 Nordre deel; and also Wanthorpe Bye, en gaard og Molle. I’m guessing Adelgade 59/60 now equals Adelgade 11 - the current address of the bibliotek? I would really appreciate it if you you suggest how I might find these references? Thank you


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« Svar #2 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 15:22 »
But looking at the original census https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=114440#114440,17276794 and forward
the numbers seem to be consecutive numbers 1-157, and not numbers in the separate streets.

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« Svar #3 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 19:29 »
Fire insurance 1818-1827
 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=185597#185597,31401272 left no 75 no i taxation prot. 8/4
a. 10 Fag Forhus  - b. 7 Fag Tver?hus
Fire insurance 1847-1857
 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=185600#185600,31401395 right
insurance no and matr. nr. (cadastral number) 59 + 60
59 - a. 10 Fag Forhuus med Brænderi -1100   (10 bay front house with distillery)
       b.  6  Fag Sidehuus                         180    (  6 bay side house)
       c.  10 Fag Baghuus                         750    ( 10 back house)
60 - a. 7 Fag Forhuus                          - 610
       b.  3  Fag Tilbygning                          50
       c.  9  Fag Sidehuus                          590
 (1852, Oct.5 to Ramlau's widow)

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=154236#154236,25724894 right
Born 1793, Oct.4 - HANS - bp. Oct.28 - Parents: Hlr.* Petter G. Clausen and Johanne Krog.      *Højlærde - erudite
The mother died Oct.22 and was buried Oct.28 - Hans prob. bp. next to his mothers coffin.

So he was baptized with the surname Krog, but took it from his late mother.

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« Svar #4 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 21:17 »
I forgot a word! - So he was NOT baptized with the surname Krog, but took it from his late mother.

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« Svar #5 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 22:16 »
I found this

Information about 59+60

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17097749#145150,23464287

Its very difficult to read the text, mayby someone else can help

It looks like Hans Clausen is buying no 59, 9th of april 1814, and no 60 26th of february 18?? (perhaps 1819, im not sure)

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« Svar #6 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 23:07 »
On this map you can find no 59 and no 60:

https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o1k_oekort&id=3112&elav=2003051

The streetnumbers today is No 60: "Fiskergade 20, 4880 Nysted, Denmark"  and No 59: "Fiskergade 22, 4880 Nysted, Denmark"

Enter the adresses in google maps, and you can use google streetview to have a closer look at the buildings

According to the Danish BBR registry Fiskergade 22 is built i 1830, so mayby its your anchestor Hans Clausen that built the house.

Fiskergade 20 is even older, its from 1761.

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« Svar #7 Dato: 14 Jan 2020 - 23:44 »
But that does not fit with this:

59
Adkomst - Skjøde af 19 April 1814, tingl. 1 August s.A.  Fol.180
- https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=145146#145146,23463616 left
Hus norden for Byen imellem Consumtions Boden paa nordre side og betjent Bræstrups hus paa søndre side
10 fag forhus og 6 fag baghus, bindingsværk med straatag mm 1183 rbd 2 mk - skomager Schmidts enke bliver
boende til sin død.
   ------
House north of the town between the custom house on the northern side and officer Bræstrups house on the southern.
10 bays front house and 6 bays back house, timber frame and straw roof etc

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« Svar #8 Dato: 15 Jan 2020 - 00:31 »
Unfortunately, I have to correct myself. the addresses I provide in the previous post are not correct.

Matr numbers 59 and 60 are old numbers which must be changed to 136 and 137.

Find no 136 and no 137 on this map: https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o1k_oekort&id=3112&elav=2003051

The present addresses are therefore:

Adelgade 8, 4880 Nysted and
Adelgade 10, 4880 Nysted.

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« Svar #9 Dato: 15 Jan 2020 - 11:30 »
Which also fits with the map from 1798
https://historiskatlas.dk/@54.6680009,11.7310621,16z?m!67

Biblioteket (the library) i Nysted (Clausens Pakhus (warehouse))
- a part of a big merchant's house having been run for centuries and lying near the (northern) entrance to Nysted.

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« Svar #10 Dato: 15 Jan 2020 - 13:41 »
Hi Ole and Henrik thank you so much for your kind response. I will have a good look at your links on the weekend. The bibliotek was originally Hans Clausen grandfathers granary. It’s current address is Adelgade 11 so it is a guess that the several census records of Adelgade 59/60 are the same. I had a wonderful trip there earlier this year. If it’s ok I might have a couple of other questions once I’ve had a chance to digest. Thank you was again, I can’t tell you how grateful I am!  :) :)

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« Svar #11 Dato: 15 Jan 2020 - 22:28 »
You are welcome. Just ask if you have any questions.

I found the probate record regarding Hans Clausen.

Unfortunately i cant read the text. I copy the links in here, mayby someone else can read the text and extract the interesseting information.

 Register til skifteprotokol vedr. Hans Clausen
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15263058#134123,33550904
Registret angiver at der står noget om Hans Clausens skifte på følgende fol i skifteprotokollen: 120, 121, 131, 137 og ??? (den sidste henvisning kan jeg ikke læse)

Skifteprotokol fol 120 og fol 121
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15263008#134119,33549712
På venstre side på dette opslag står der i den næstnederste indførsel en lille notits om Hans Clausen
Den nederste indførsel på højre side ser ud til at være en større udregning af arvinger mv. Den fortsætter på de følgende sider.

Skifteprotokol fol 131
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15263008#134119,33549723
Her er yderligere en tekst vedr. skiftet. Den starter på venstre side og fortsætter på højre side og efterfølgende sider.

Skifteprotokol fol 137
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15263008#134119,33549729
Mere tekst til skiftet. Den starter på venstre side og fortsætter på højre side og efterfølgende sider.

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« Svar #12 Dato: 16 Jan 2020 - 11:03 »
HC died 22. may 1864 at Østermøllegaard, 71 years old - see https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o2k_oekort&id=48273&elav=2003052
- the most eastern mill (here with matr.nr. 20a)
- at the next map  https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o2k_oekort&id=48274&elav=2003052  both mills are crossed out!
- see also https://historiskatlas.dk/@54.6636059,11.7355871,15z?m!55

Here is a probate record from Nysted byfoged - first in Danish summary
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=131516#131516,34053405
1864 den 25 Juni ... afdøde Kjøbmand og Mølleeier Hans Clausen ... tilstæde Møller Carolius Clausen
1. Matr No 60a i Adelgade - 7 fag forhus mur og bindingsværk med tegltag, 4 fag tilbygning med grundmuret gavl i syd,
    9 fag sidehus - gaards- og haveplads --- vurd. 2400 rd
2. Matr No 152a ved gamle Torv - 7 fag forhus - 3 fag baghus - mur- og bindingsværk med tegltag - grund, gaard og haveplads,
    bortlejet, HC endnu ikke berigtiget adkomsten  --- vurd. 800 rd
3. Øst for byen Møllevænget - 5 tdr land med hollandsk vejrmølle og et hus (matr.nr 171) 7 fag til beboelse - 5 fag tilbygning som udhus,
    lejet af Carolius Clausen for 10 aar fra 25.juli 1863 --- vurd. 5000 rd
4. Kongejordsparcellen No 11 i Kongemarken, 10 tdr land etc .... vurd. --- 1800 rd
5.        -do-                    - 31, 32 og 3, 33 tdr land etc... vurd. --- 7000 rd
    disse er 1½ aar tidligere af HC solgt til grdmd. Morten Bley? i Vantore for 10000 rd iflg kontrakt, men skøde maaske ikke udstedt.
    --- ialt vurd. --- 18.800 rd
HC døde 22.maj, begr 28.maj 1864 på Østermøllegaard, 71 aar gl
    ----------------- translation in summary:
1864 the 25th  of June ... late merchant and mill owner Hans Clausen ...present miller Carolius Clausen
1. Matr No 60a in Adelgade - 7 bays front house bricks and timber frame with tile roof, 4 bays annex with brick-built house end in south,
    9 bays side house -     --- val. 2400 rd
2. Matr No 152a at the old Torv - 7 bays bfront house - 3bays back house - bricks and timber frame with tile roof -
    rented away, HC not yet rectified his ownnership --- val. 800 rd
3. East of the town Møllevænget - 5 tdr land with a dutch windmill and a house (matr.nr. 171) 7 bays for living - 5 bays annex as outhouse,   
    rented by Carolius Clausen for 10 years from 25. july 1863 --- val. 5000 rd
4. Kongejordsparcellen No 11 i Kongemarken, 10 tdr land etc .... val 1800 rd
5.        -do-                    - 31, 32 og 3, 33 tdr land etc               ... val. 7000 rd
    these were 1½years earlier by HC sold to farmer Morten Bley? in Vantore for 10000 rd acc. to contract, but maybe a title deed not made
                                                                                         --- in all val. 18.800 rd
    -----------------------------
From the probate protocol found by Henrik (TERRIBLE handwriting):
The heirs:
1. a daughter Hanne (Johanne) Caroline, married to merchant (Aron Hertz) Samson in Nysted
2. a son Peder Gommesen Clausen - of age (in Grænge)
3. a daughter Flemine Marie, married to lottery collector Olsen in ...
4. a daugter-daughter Ane Mortensdatter 27? yo, mother late Ane Margrethe Clausen
5. a son Simon Groth Clausen, mentally ill
6. a son Carolius Andreas (Clausen) (in Nysted)
7. a daughter Hedevig, married to ..... Arnoldus  ....
8. a daghter Julie Tomassine, married to distiller Jørgen Rasmussen in Nysted
9. a daghter Aurora Augusta, married to merchant Ramlau in Nysted

Valuation in all 14451 rd

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« Svar #13 Dato: 19 Jan 2020 - 03:29 »
Thank you once again for taking the time to look into this for me. I have had a chance now to look at all of your great links and have a few questions I hope it’s ok to ask?
- re the links to a hkpn maps of Nysted and Vantore. I’ve not been able to download a clear version so I can read the numbers? Is there a trick? Or attach a higher res .jpg? I’m hoping this might give me some clues to the other addresses-eg Adelgade 28-29 (in 1860) and Adelgade Nordre deel 53 (In 1845) which still are a mystery. I had wondered whether Adelgade 28 in 1860 is the same as present day
- Can I ask is the value you describe of ‘rd’ - is that Danish Kroner? (Ie DKK)

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« Svar #14 Dato: 19 Jan 2020 - 11:37 »
If you go to ex. https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o1k_oekort&id=3112&elav=2003051
- go to Kopi - scroll to JPG (Hele kortet) - (the whole map) - and the map is downloaded.

Do the same with https://hkpn.gst.dk/mapviewer.aspx?type=o2k_oekort&id=22544&elav=0471254

rd is an abbreviation of Rigsdaler - the actual currency at that time.
That was changed in 1875 to Kroner.
I think that a worker in 1860 earned 2-300 rd a year.

See also (in Danish) http://helec.dk/Rigsdaler.pdf - maybe use a translation program.