Peter Hoffmann 1773/4-1848 factor in Iceland

[Tomas Albertsson]

Dear people
I have been trying to find something about Peter Hoffman in Denmark. He comes to Iceland around 1802/03 (after 1801 census), and does marry 1807 to an Icelandic woman Steinunn Jónsdóttir (1778-1855). They have some children that live all their lives in Iceland, but the oldest Christian b. 04/11/1804 at Budum is a "farver" in Denmark 1845-1855 but is gone or dead before 1860. He is married in Rödby, maribo Amt. His wife is Mariane Kastoft (1806-1852) daughter of Jakob Kasoft Kiöpmand/groserer.
Christian is here in these censuses:
MT1845 https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid6107805
MT1850 https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid6705140
MT1855 https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid8035891

Any idea why I cant find any trace of him ?

Mange tak
Tómas V. Albertsson

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Folketælling 1860 er han stadig i Rødby.
Christian Hoffmann. 56 aar. Enkemand. Født: Island. Farver.
Cecilia Hoffmann. 19 aar. Datter. Født Rødby.
Frederik Hoffmann. 1 aar. Søn. Født Rødby
Ane Kirstine Petersen. 38 aar. Født: Rødby. Tjenestepige.
Karn Johanne Petersen. 10 aar. Født Rødby. Pleiebarn.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-RVJ1?i=910&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLDC-MC86

Født: 13. April 1859 i Rødby.
Navn: Frederik Hoffmann.
Moder: Ugift Stine Petersen [må være tjenstepigen Ane Kirstine Petersen ovenstående]
Udlagt barnefader: Christian Hoffmann.
Kilde: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117951#155120,25903809

Folketælling 1870. Rødby.
Christian Hoffmann. 65 aar. Farver.
Ane Christine Pedersen. 47 aar. Tjenestepige.
Frederik Hoffmann. 10 aar. Søn.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-RS8K-S?i=1285&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL8G-W2SL

Død: 8. April 1874 i Rødby Sogn.
Navn: Christian Hoffmann.
Alder: 69 aar.
Enkemand, forhenværende farver.
Kilde: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117951#155121,25904250

Død: 4. Oktober 1882 i Rødby Sogn.
Navn: Frederik Hoffmann.
Alder: 23 aar.
Kilde (nederst): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117951#155122,25904643

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Folketælling 1880. Rødby.
Frederik Hoffmann. 20 aar. Snedkersvend.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLC-S9QY-Y?i=1026&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL6C-43YY

Folketælling 1880. Rødby.
Ane Kirstine Petersen. 57 aar. Tjenestepige hos Købmand Frederik Hermann Pöhler.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLC-S97V-N?i=1295&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL6H-ZBL6

Folketælling 1890. Fuglse Sogn.
Ane Kirstine Pedersen. 67 aar. Født: Rødby 21. Marts. 67 aar. Tjenestepige for partikulier Søren Andersen.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-Y72J-7?i=980&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL6L-3PTV

Folketælling 1901. Rødby.
Ane Kirstine Petersen. Født 20. Marts 1822 i Rødby. Alderdomsunderstøttet.
Kilde: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-YFH6-P?i=1766&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL65-HXF4

Død: 3. Juli 1910 i Rødby Sogn.
Navn: Ane Kirstine Petersen.
Alder: 88 aar.
Ugift. Sidst boende i Rødby, Fruegade.
Hun var født i Rødby 20. Marts 1822.
Datter af Skomagermester Peiter Christoffersen og hustru Karen Johanne Lausdatter.
Kilde: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117951#155124,25905411

[Tomas Albertsson]

Mange tak Niels

I think I have the sons line in full, but still haven't found anything about his father Peter Hoffmann 

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Tómas

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Mange tak Niels

I think I have the sons line in full, but still haven't found anything about his father Peter Hoffmann 

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Tómas

The problem is that "Peter Hoffmann" is fairly common i 1700's Denmark, so do you have any approximate age or where he was in Denmark before leaving, line of work??
Have you found him in the 1801 Folketælling in Denmark? [In theory he could easily be Norwegian or German, or "both" if from Bergen]
Also he could easily have 2 first names as it was quite common for German or German descended people in Denmark....

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Hvis i Danmark så er følgende person mulig:

Krak Vejviser 1800.
P. Hoffmann.
Silke- og klædekræmmer.
Raadmandsstræde 41.
Kilde: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/Kraks-Vejviser-1800/138

Krak Vejviser 1809.
P. Hoffmann
Silke- og Klædekræmmer.
Raadmandsstræde 39.
Kilde: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/Kraks-Vejviser-1809/224

Så desværre er det ikke ham....

[Tomas Albertsson]

Thank you Niels for your time

I am trying to find the skiftebog to see if something is to be found there. But the problem with that parish "Búðir" is that few church-books did survive. I was hoping to find something around his first son Christian, but alas that didn't happen. I will post a new post if something comes up 

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Tómas V. Albertsson

[Inger Toudal]

The son Christian is in Nakskov before settling in Rødby:

FT-1834: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid2386360

FT-1840: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid3585962

The only Peder / Peter Hof(f)man(n) with roughly the correct age, I can find at DFS:

FT-1787: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid442758

København, København (Staden), Købmager Kvarter, Gothersgade, 138, 2, FT-1787, B5770
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in  household:     Occupation:     
Jacob Friedrich Schlaffer     58     Gift      Husbond      Thehandler       
Elisabeth Magdalene NN     57     Gift      Hustru             
Peter Hofman     9     Ugift      Plejebarn             
Kirstine Jacobsdatter     26     Ugift            Tjenestepige       
Melchior Johan von Witten     71     Ugift      Logerende      Oberst på Kongelig Pension med 100RD aarlig

Do the Icelandic sources reveal anything about Peter's birthplace?

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Inger Toudal

[Tomas Albertsson]

Dear Inger
mange tak for det 

Sadly the only source so far of Peter birthplace is the 1816 census which says Jótland (Jutland).  I am asking a friend in the archives about skiftebog 1848 for Snæfellsnes, -- I know they are working on it to put all of them in digtal online but so far only censues and churchbook's are ony oneline. Many churchbooks from that area are lost from 1800-1830.
I was hoping to find something around Christian the oldest son because often sons are put to apprenticeships through family lines.
But I was this morning trying to find Christian's (1804-1874) skifte; see second last name at the bottom; and here says: Christian Hoffmann, farver, Christian Hoffmans son 125  BUT I don't find him/them 
Skifteprotocol navenreg.  (1836-1860): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290639#130342,33877186

[Inger Toudal]

Christian Hoffmanns son Christian dies 10 Feb. 1850:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290158#130339,33876610 - left page

Christian Hoffmann, farver, fallitbo: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290639#131482,34048231

- 1863, starts here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290158#131477,34047865 - right page

Christian Hoffmann, forhen farver: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290639#131482,34048232

- 1874: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=15290158#131483,34048329 - right page, bottom

Son Jens Peter is apprentice at købmand Wulff's in Nykøbing Falster, FT-1860: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid14595710

FT-1885, København: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid15147239

København, København (Staden), Vendersgade (Lige numre), Kjøbenhavn Nørrevold Kvarter, Vendersgade 8, Matr. 176 Forhuus 3. Sal, 7, FT-1885
Navn:     Alder:     Status:     Stilling i familien:     Erhverv:     Fødested:
Jens Peter Hoffmann     41     Gift      Husfader      Kjøbmand      Rødby 
Anna Dorthea Hoffmann     35     Gift      Husmoder            Nykjøbing Falster 
Christian Johannes Hoffmann     9     Ugift      Søn            Nykjøbing Falster 
Betty Magdalene Hoffmann     8     Ugift      Datter            Nykjøbing Falster 
Anna Martine Møller     17     Ugift      Tjenestetyende            Bjørnø, Faaborg 

København, København (Staden), Rømersgade, Vendersgade 8, -, 9, FT-1880, D4633
Navn:     Alder:     Status:     Stilling i familien:     Erhverv:     Fødested:
Peter Hofmand     34     Gift      Husfader      Købmand      Rødby 
Anna Dorthea Hofmand     30     Gift      Hustru            Nykøbing Falster, Maribo Amt 
Christian Johannes Hofmand     4     Ugift      Søn            Nykøbing Falster, Maribo Amt 
Betty Magdalene Hofmand     3     Ugift      Datter            Nykøbing Falster, Maribo Amt 
Mathilde Vilhelmine Stapff     24     Ugift            Tjenestepige      København 
Ivar Phillipsen     24     Ugift      Logerende      Agent      Ringkøbing 

Flyttet til kommunen:   1877
Gift hvornår:   1874
Antal levende børn:   2

Politiets registerblad: https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-1548223 - dør 17. sept. 1903

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Inger

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Sønnen Christian, der dør 10. Februar 1850, var født 13. August 1848 i Rødby.
Kilde: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17117951#327965,66011734

[Tomas Albertsson]

Mange tak Inger og  Niels

Got e-mail from the archive and sadly to say Peter Hoffmann 1773/4-1848 isn't mentioned in the "skiftbog" though one of his sons [Hans Peter 1811-1864] is there and dies in huge dept.

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Tómas V. Albertsson

[Randi Ottosen]

Did you find the ship he went with..!
We have lists in DK from about this time...!

[Tomas Albertsson]

Hi Randy

Sadly there aren't any such lists from that area 
The story is that most church-books and other official documents (1780-1840) from that area got destroyed in fire.

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Tómas

[Niels Just Rasmussen]

Found another "Peter Hoffmann" Candidate.

Confirmations from "Vor Frelsers Sogn" in Copenhagen.

Dom Quasimodogeniti 7. Aprilis 178? [probably 1782].
Conformati: Peter Hoffman [5th name from the top in that left bracket]
Kilde (s. 41, left page): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119855#158822,26683719

[Tomas Albertsson]

Mange tak Niels

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Tómas V. Albertsson