The 4 marriages of Soren Hansen

Startet af Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland, 01 Nov 2018 - 05:28

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In trying to narrow down who the mother of Hans Sorensen is, born 13 Nov 1763 Brunemose, Tyrstrup, Øster Flakkebjerg, Soro, Denmark, I understand that his father, Soren Hansen, may have been married 4 times (if I am following the research trail correctly).

Birth Hans Sorensen here top right: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001678

I *think* I find Soren Hansen in the 1787 Census as follows:
Year:   FT-1787   Source reference:   75   
Household No:   28   
Name:   Søren Hansen      Gender:   M   
Age:   58      Civil status:   Gift   
Position in household:   Hosbond      Occupation:   Bonde, Gaardmand   
No of marriage:   4   
Parish:   Tystrup   District:   Øster Flakkebjerg
Shire:   Sorø   Place name:   Brunemose
Source entry No:   B6052   Record No.:   114
All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Søren Hansen       58     Gift     Hosbond     Bonde, Gaardmand      
Birthe Hansdatter     23     Gift     hans Kone           
Peder Sørensen     21     Ugift     [hans Børn af 3. ægteskab]           
Niels Sørensen      18     Ugift     [hans Børn af 3. ægteskab]           
Ane Sørensdatter     16     Ugift     [hans Børn af 3. ægteskab]           
Mette Sørensdatter     10     Ugift     [hans Børn af 3. ægteskab]           
Ane Sørensdatter     8     Ugift     [hans Børn af 3. ægteskab]           
Johanne Sørensdatter 1     Ugift     Datter af 4. ægteskab 

I think I find Hans Sorensen in 1787 living with a family as follows:
Year:   FT-1787   Source reference:   75   
Parish:   Tystrup   District:   Øster Flakkebjerg
Shire:   Sorø   Place name:   Brunemose
Source entry No:   B6052   Record No.:   110
All members of the household
Name:    Age:    Married?:    Pos. in household:    Occupation:    BirTD place:
Niels Andersen      77     Gift     Hosbond     Bonde, Gaardmand      
Magrethe Madsdatter    76     Gift     Madmoder           
Mads Nielsen             29     Ugift     deres Barn           
Hans Sørensen     23     Ugift     [Tienestefolk]     National Rytter          

I have what I think is the 3rd marriage of Soren Hansen to Lisbeth Jensdatter Banns 8 Apr 1760 and marriage 19 p Trin (12 Oct 1760) Brunemose, Tyrstrup, Øster Flakkebjerg, Soro, Denmark.  Lisbeth Jensdatter might be the mother of Hans Sorensen.  As far as I can see the marriage does not say that Soren Hansen is a widow.

Marriage here right side near the top: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001666

I find the 4th marriage to Birthe Hansdatter 4 Feb 1785 Brunemose, Tyrstrup, Øster Flakkebjerg, Soro, Denmark here right side near the top: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150746,25001828.  Soren Hansen is a widow.

I searched Brunemose, Tyrstrup, Øster Flakkebjerg, Soro 1740-1760 and I could not find the 1st and 2nd marriage for Soren Hansen.

Would it be safe to assume that considering the fact that Soren Hansen appears to be the only Soren Hansen having children around the 1760s-1770s that the mother of Hans Sorensen is Lisbeth Jensdatter (none of Hans' daughters are named Lisbeth)?

The father's name for Hans Sorensen comes from the birth information for Hans Sorensen's wife, Kirsten Nielsdatter (Niels Morten Jorgens) in Boeslunde bottom right here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114217#203270,38552087
    

Ole Westermann

Rebecca

I have solved most your problem. Søren Hansen got married to:
1. Elisabeth (Lisbeth) Jensdatter - Oct.5, 1760
2. ??                                             - 1762-1763 in ? (mother of Hans Sørensen)
3. Anne Nielsdatter                     - June 15, 1765
4. Birthe Hansdatter                    - Febr 4, 1785

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001714 left
1762 d. 23 Juni begr. (buried) Søren Hansens Hustrue (wife) Elisabeth Jensdatter i Brunemose æt. 44
 
Elisabeth - Lisbeth is the same name, the last one shortened.
SH and EJ did not get any children together - she was also rather old for that.
So who did SH get married to as the mother of HANS ?

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001678 right top
1763 d. 13 Nov. Dom.24 à Trin. døbt Søren Hansøns Søn i Brunemose
kaldet HANS; Kiøbmand Christen Petersøns Kiæreste i
Sorøe bar ham, Jomfr Hansteen i mit Huus holdt Huen.
Fadderne: Søren Hansøn i Eschildstrup, Hans Sørensøn
i H(aldager)lille og Søn Ole Hansøn ibid, og Mette Sørensdatter
i Eschildstrup.

Then the unknown mother of HANS is buried Dec.2, 1765
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001715 right
Søren Hansøns Hustrue i Brunemose . . . æt. 25 Aar (no name)

And then SH got betrothed allready Dec 30, 1765 and married June 15, 1766
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001670 right
to daughter of farmer Niels Andersøn, Anne Nielsdatter in Brunemose, and the respective fathers on both sides
Hans Sørensen in Haldagerlille and Niels Andersen were best men.
- So here you have SH's father: Hans Sørensen in Haldagerlille !

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001683 left
1767 d.4 Jan. Dom.p.Fest.N.A blev døbt Sørens Hansens Søn
i Brunemose, kaldet PEDER, min Kone bar
ham. Fadderne vare: Niels Andersøn i Brunemose,
Ole Hansøn og Johan Hansøn af H.lille, Hans Han-
søn af Carrebechs Torp.

mvh Ole

Ole Westermann

Here is prob. the marriage of Søren Hansen's parents
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001656 right
1731 D 24 Junii bleve Hans Sørensen og Anna Oles Datter
Haldager Lille Sammeviede, Hvis Forløftnings
Mænd ere underskrene
Hans Rasmusen.
Hans Hendrichsen.

And here the baptism of Søren Hansen
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119325#150745,25001613 right
1733 nr 2  D 5 Mart. Hans >Søfrensen< af Halager L. en Søn Nf. HANS* Anna Jens
                 datt. baar ham. T. Hans Ipsen af Reindop? Rasm. Mor?-
                 tesen af Halager L.  Søfren Nielsen ib etc -

*this must be a mistake, and should have been SØREN - the natural name acc. to the patronymic tradition.
  None of the following sons is named Søren.

Ole Westermann

First I have a correction to the suggestion about a miswriting in 1733 (Hans instead of Søren), because I found this short
notice up left at https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=150745#150745,25001607
1730.
er formodentlig SØREN Hansen i Brunemose født om Efteraaret i Hallagerlille
(is probably SØREN Hansen in Brunemose born in the autumn in Hallagerlille)

So we have no exact date.
And maybe he was in reality born as an illegitimate child of Hans Sørensen and Anna Olesdatter, who then married June 24, 1731.

I guess the vicar was ill at that time - he died in early 1731 - and the new vicar arrived May 21
On this page https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=150745#150745,25001701 left
in late 1729 are 8 persons named as buried witout any date - and among them
     Hans Sørensens wife of Haldagerlille - so HS seem to have been married before.

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Then I found wife nr 2 of Søren Hansen. I had looked after the marriage in Lynge p. where Eskildstrup is, and found 1762
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=153431#153431,25560628 right down

D. 1 Decembr  Hans Sørensen and Marie Sørens Datter of Eskild.
- and gave it up - but then much later I looked among betrothal certificates at
 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=153431#153431,25560709 left

For det indbyrdes ....etc .... betrothal between the widower Søren Hansen of Brunemose and the girl
Maria Sørens Datter of Eskildstrup, guarantee we .....etc ... 7de November 1762.    
    Søren Hansen    Hans Sørensen of Lille Hallager

So a miswriting at the marriage Dec.1 - should have been Søren Hansen !

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Burial of Hans Sørensen's wife in Haldagerlille in 1770
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=150745#150745,25001717 left
d.21 Mart. Faste Onsdag begr. Hans Sørensøns Kone Anne H(alager)lille æt. 60 Aar (i.e. born ca 1710)
and Hans Sørensen in 1775
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=150745#150745,25001719 left near bottom
d.17 ejusd (May) begr. Hans Sørensen i Haldagerlille . . æt. 72 (i.e. born ca 1703)

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Søren Hansen had his confirmation in 1747
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=203983#203983,38693099 left

Ole, thank you, thank you!

I have just made my way through all of the fantastic information that you found.

I think you are right that my Soren Hansen was probably illegitimate of Hans Sorensen and Anna Olsdatter.  With the unknown wife of Hans Sorensen dying in 1729 (at the same time of the illness of the priest), and the notation about Soren Hansen being born in the fall 1730, I think we have to conclude that Anna Olsdatter was his mother.

I found all of the other children of Hans Sorensen and Anna Olsdatter.

And great detective work on finding Maria Sorensdatter as the mother of my Hans Sorensen.