Møborg - Script Help Needed with Parent's Names

[Rick Larsen]

Hello,

I've encountered a particularly difficult pair of parent names and would appreciate help from any script experts. The names appear in several difficult-to-read baptismal entries. I put the AO volume and page reference numbers next to the names of the children below:

The father's name seems to read Peder {MICHELSEN} HAARPØTTE or HAARPATT. The mother's name appears to read Ane AMSTRUP.

The names appear in the following entries:

1. Peder PEDERSEN, Baptism: 27 Sep 1753; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 16
2. Lauritz PEDERSEN, Baptism: 8 Jul 1756; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 17
3. Jens PEDERSEN, Baptism: 27 Apr 1758; Møborg 1703-1776, Opslag 19
4. Ane PEDERSDATTER, Baptism: 9 Dec 1759; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 20
5. Jørgen PEDERSEN, Baptism: 2 Jun 1760; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 20
6. Rasmusine Marie PEDERSDATTER, Baptism: Abt. 07 May 1764; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 22
7. Christen PEDERSEN, Baptism: 20 Oct 1765 ; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 22

If my memory serves me correctly, the father's name also appears in a few confirmation entries and as a godparent for other children around the same time.

Thank you for any help!
Rick Larsen

[Lars Bo Foller Larsen]

forkert, ikke en Haarpøtt

Peder Skovager
4. Ane PEDERSDATTER, Baptism: 9 Dec 1759; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 20

Peder Skomager
7. Christen PEDERSEN, Baptism: 20 Oct 1765 ; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 22

[Rick Larsen]

Tak Lars!
I deleted them...
Rick

[Lars Bo Foller Larsen]

bare for ordens skyld
rettet tilnavnet på den første til skomager, da det er det der står 

Peder Skomager
4. Ane PEDERSDATTER, Baptism: 9 Dec 1759; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 20

Peder Skomager
7. Christen PEDERSEN, Baptism: 20 Oct 1765 ; Møborg-Nees 1703-1776, Opslag 22

[Kirsten Didriksen]

Hello Rick!

In the 1760's in Nees Sogn, there was a man called Peder Christensen Harpøth who where married with Ane from Ulfborg Sogn.

Peder was a poor farmer but he became the owner of a big farm "Ulfsund", he kept the name "Harpøth", which also was the name of his first farm.

I am not sure if its Peder you are interestet in? ???

Bedst Regards
Kirsten

[Rick Larsen]

Dear Kirsten,

This must be the man. The coincidence would other wise be very strange. Thank you for sharing the information with me. I will investigate tomorrow in the parish registers.

Best Regards,
Rick

[Arne Feldborg]

P. Christensen Harpøth died 20de Juli 1778, and had those children:
1 Christen Pedersen Harpyth,   29 Aar
2 Laurs Harpyth    27 Aar
3 Jens Harpyth     25 Aar
4 Søren Harpyth    20 Aar
5 Christen Harpyth    10 Aar
6 Johanne Marie Harpyth   18 Aar

See: http://hammerum-herred.dk/andre_afskrifter/Skifte%20efter%20P%20Harpyth%20Uldsund%20i%20Nees.pdf

[Rick Larsen]

Thank you Arne! It was a big surprise to find so much information from you!

But, after careful analysis, it seems Christensen Harpøth may not be the father.

The big question for me now is whether his son Jens Pedersen Harpyth the same person as Jens Pedersen Veihuus? Jens Pedersen Harpyth was born in 1758 in Møborg. He is the only Jens Pedersen that I can find born in the 1758-1770 period.

According to the 1801 census, Jens Pedersen was 35 years old (born about 1765) and a "...Huusmand med lidt Jord og Væver..."

Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, Veihuus, , , 16, FT-1801
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jens Pedersen 35  Gift Mand Huusmand med lidt Jord og Væver  
Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter 26  Gift Hans Kone  
Peder Jensen 7  Ugift Deres Søn  
Anne Kirstine Jensdatter 4  Ugift Deres Datter  
Simon Jensen 2  Ugift Deres Søn

According to the 1834 census, Jens Pedersen was 69 years old (born about 1764) and a "Dagleier".

Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, , , Øster Veihuus, 63, FT-1834
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jens Pedersen 69  Gift  Dagleier  
Ane Kathrine Simonsdatter 59  Gift  hans Kone  
Kyndi Jensen 13  Ugift  deres Søn  
Christen Pedersen 6  Ugift  Pleiesøn  
Ane Andersdatter 87  Enke  Almisselem

An analysis of the baptisms of Jens Pedersen Veihuus' children seems to reveal that he is not the same person, because none of the godparents listed are from the children of Christensen Harpøth. In fact, It seems that Jens may have had brothers in the Møborg-Nees area called Christen, Niels, Thomas and maybe Jens Christian.

Jens PEDERSEN VEIHUUS
Birth: Abt 1764-1765, according to census information
Death: 02 May 1839 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1834-1853, Opslag 97
...... + Anna Cathrine SIMONSDATTER SUUSGAARD
Baptism: 09 Jul 1775 in Gørding, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Gørding-Vemb-Bur 1766-1815, Opslag 60
Marriage: 30 Jan 1794 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 60
Death: 07 Nov 1856 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1854-1862, Opslag 60

............2 Peder JENSEN Baptism: 09 Sep 1794 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 40
barn af Jens Øster-Søndergaards hustru; Fadderne: Simon Suusgaard, Jens Øster-Søndergaard, Jens Simonsen og Lauriz Simonsen, ____ Kirsten Pedersdatter
............2 Anne Kierstine JENSDATTER Baptism: 23 May 1797 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 44
barn af Peder Knudsens kone i Sidekior; Fadderne: ___ ___ navn Simon Suusgaard, Peder So____d, Laust Simonsen, Niels Simonsen og Ole Obolsbeks Datter
............2 Simon JENSEN Baptism: 23 Nov 1799 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 50
barn af Laust Simonsen i Heftbek hans hustrue; Fadderne: Laust Simonsen i Heftbek, Simon Suusgaard, Jens Øster-Søndergaard Jens Christian Godskesen og Peder Torps Datter
............2 Thomas JENSEN Baptism: 16 May 1802 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1801-1815, Opslag 5
baarnt af Inger Simonsdatter Suusgaard; Fadderne navn Simon Suusgaard, Christen Aalberg, Niels Grobs, Jens Simonsen og Simon Suusgaards hustrue
............2 Karen JENSDATTER Baptism: 18 Jul 1804 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1801-1815, Opslag 10
baarnt af Kyndi Trolborgs hustrue; Fadderne navn Simon Suusgaard, Kyndi Trolborg, Ove Ovelsbek, Christen Aaeborgs Søn og Datter
............2 Thomas JENSEN Baptism: 09 Oct 1807 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1801-1815, Opslag 19
baarnt af Jens Suusgaards hustrue; Fadderne navn Christen Aaeberg, Jens Suusgaard, Niels Smorport, Christen Aaebergs Søn of Datter
............2 Godske JENSEN Baptism: 29 Jun 1810 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1801-1815, Opslag 26
baarnt af Jens Chr. Nørre Torp hans hustrue; Fadderne navn Jens Suusgaard, Niels Smorport, Andrea Staldknegt og hstr, Niels Smorports hustrue
............2 Godske JENSEN Baptism: 28 Feb 1813 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1801-1815, Opslag 33-34
Fadderne navn Thomas Pedersen i Greebs, Hans Simonsen i Øster Smorport, Jens Christian Pedersen i Øster Torp, _____ Peder Jensen I Bekke i Torring, ____ Pige Anne Kirstine Jensdatter i Øster Veihuus
............2 Kynde JENSEN Baptism: 08 Jun 1820 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg 1816-1822, Opslag 9
Kyndi Jespsen Folborgs hustrue Anne Nielsdatter bar baarnt; Gaardmand Christen Pedersen Øster Ti Bosten, ungkarl Broderne Peder Jensen i Fousing, Simon Jensen i Sur og _____ Karen Jensdatter i Krogsgaard i Flynder

Do you agree that Jens Pedersen Veihuus and Jens Pedersen Harpyth are different people based on this information?

Any ideas how I might find the baptism of Jens Pedersen Veihuus in this case? There were several Peders having children in Nees during this period. Unless I missed something, I did not see and baptism records for Møborg before about 1775.

Regards,
Rick

[Rick Larsen]

Hello,

Just to add one piece of information that adds to the confusion. In the 1787 census of Møborg, I find a Jens Pedersen, who is a "Skræder" (Tailor) residing with a "Væver", the occupation he gave in the 1801 census. In this census, his approximate birth year is 1758-59, the same a Jens Pedersen Harpyth.

Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, Torp Bye, , , 12. Familie, FT-1787
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Mourits Christensen 65  Gift  Boelsmand og Væver 
Kirsten Morthensdatter 77  Gift   
Johanne Jøesdatter 15  Ugift   
Jens Pedersen 28  Ugift  Skræder

Regards,
Rick

[Arne Feldborg]

The big question for me now is whether his son Jens Pedersen Harpyth the same person as Jens Pedersen Veihuus?

It is not the same person.

Jens Pedersen Harpøth lives in Ringkøbing.

[Rick Larsen]

Thanks Arne...even if the news is bad for me. I had a feeling this might be the case after I read the information you sent me (above)
Rick

[Rick Larsen]

Hello,

Backing up a little...

His Trolovend in Gudum on 6 Jan 1794 [Gudum-Fabjerg 1744-1816, Opslag 112] reads:

Jens Pedersen Nyeluar fra Flygode (or Flynder?) og Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter i Heftbek ____. Forloverne navn Simon Suusgaard fra Giording og Jens Nielsen ____grd fra Moeborg.

The Copulrede in Møborg on 30 Jan 1794 [Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 60] reads:

Ungkarl Jens Pedersen Veihuus og Pige Anne Cathrine Simonsdatterfra Heftbek, trolovend i Gudum, paa Chr. Stanius hans ____ ____ i Moeborg kirke.

Regards,
Rick

[Kirsten Didriksen]

Hello Rick

Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter is born in Hestbæk.

Sorry I can't find Jens Pedersens birth!

Maybe you can use this:

Fkt-1801; Møborg - Veihuus ; 16;
68; Søren Amorsen; ; 35; gift,1; ; ; Mand / Huusmand med lidt Jord
69; Johanne Jesdatter; ; 33; gift,1; ; ; Hans Kone
70; Amor Sørensen; ; 7; ugift; ; ; Deres Søn
71; Hans Christian Sørensen; ; 4; ugift; ; ; Deres Søn
72; Else Sørensdatter; ; 1; ugift; ; ; Deres Datter
73; Amor Sørensen; ; 70; gift,1; ; ; Huusbondens Fader / Gammel afskediget Soldat
74; Else Hansdatter; ; 72; gift,1; ; ; Hans Kone
75; Jens Pedersen; ; 35; gift,1; ; ; Mand / Huusmand med lidt Jord og Væver
76; Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter; ; 26; gift,1; ; ; Hans Kone
77; Peder Jensen; ; 7; ugift; ; ; Deres Søn
78; Anne Kirstine Jensdatter; ; 4; ugift; ; ; Deres Datter
79; Simon Jensen; ; 2; ugift; ; ; Deres Søn

Venlig hilsen
Kirsten

[Rick Larsen]

Hello Kirsten,

Thank you so much for sharing the information! I have almost everything except Jens Pedersen's birth/baptism...and, as a result, his parents and ancestors.

For those who are members on Ancestry.com, the records for the family (descendants and ancestors) are at: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/22115091/person/1186962023

If anyone would prefer that I make a synthesis here, please just let me know.

Best Regards,
Rick

[Arne Feldborg]

Jens Pedersen Nyeluar fra Flygode (or Flynder?) og Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter i Heftbek ____. Forloverne navn Simon Suusgaard fra Giording og Jens Nielsen ____grd fra Moeborg.

I read:
Jens Pedersen Vejehuus(?) fra Flønder
og Anne Catrine Simonsdatter i Hestbeck
deres Forlovere vare Simon Suusgd.
fra Giørding og Jens Nielsen Skræddergd.
fra Møeborg.

Ungkarl Jens Pedersen Veihuus og Pige Anne Cathrine Simonsdatterfra Heftbek, trolovend i Gudum, paa Chr. Stanius hans ____ ____ i Moeborg kirke.

I Read:
Ungkarl Jens Pedersen Veihuus og Pi-
ge Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter fra
Hestbek, trolovede i Gudum, paa Hr.
Afcanius hans Vegne viede i Møeborg
kirke.

...2 Peder JENSEN Baptism: 09 Sep 1794 in Møborg, Ringkøbing, Denmark; Møborg-Nees 1776-1800, Opslag 40
barn af Jens Øster-Søndergaards hustru; Fadderne: Simon Suusgaard, Jens Øster-Søndergaard, Jens Simonsen og Lauriz Simonsen, ____ Kirsten Pedersdatter

I read:
Baaren af Jens Øster Skræ-
dergaards Hustrue. Fadderne vare Simon Suusgaard,
Jens Øster Skrædergaard, Jens Simonsen og Lauriz Simon-
sen Samt Kiersten Pedersdatter.

The Child are named after Jens Pedersens Father, and the Godmother (Anne Kirstine Pedersdatter) is problably Jens Pedersens sister?. And the "Forlover" is her husband.

Jens Øster Skræddergaard and his Wife:

Fkt-1801; Møborg - Øster Skrædergaard ; 29;
141; Jens Nielsen; ; 44; gift,1; Huusbonde / Bonde og Gaardbeboer
142; Anne Kirstine Pedersdatter; ; 40; gift,1; Hans Kone
143; Kirsten Marie Jensdatter; ; 12; ugift; Deres Datter
144; Peder Christian Jensen; ; 6; ugift; Deres Søn
145; Karen Margrete Jensdatter; ; 3; ugift; Deres Datter
146; Poul Jensen; ; 1; ugift; Deres Søn

BTW.
Jens Pedersen are named "Vejhuus" after the place where he is living at the time of the wedding. I do not think that he is born there, and I'm not sure if he is born in Flynder at all.

[Rick Larsen]

As always...thank you very much Arne!!!

I updated my records with all of the changes you suggested.

Some time back, I came across a long thread in the old DIS-Danmark forum about Jens Vejhuus and his wife Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter, which I am posting here for future readers: http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?1,521227,521277

As concerns Jens Vejhuus, I think I need help now from someone who has access to the Lægdsruller, as this is probably the only remaining way to find when and where he was born, and who his father was.

The Child are named after Jens Pedersens Father, and the Godmother (Anne Kirstine Pedersdatter) is problably Jens Pedersens sister?

BTW, from what I can see:

Child 1 is named after Jens' father
Child 2 is named after the Godmother (Anne Cathrine Simonsdatter's mother was "Anne")
Child 3 is named after Anne Cathrine's father
The only other girl that was born to the couple was called "Karen"

Best Regards,
Rick

[Rick Larsen]

Hello,

In studying the parish register and 1801 census for Møborg and comparing them to the godparents' names in the baptisms, I see that several of the people in Jens Pedersen Vejhuus' life seem to be at, or closely related to, a place called Torp.

After 1810, Jens Christian Pedersen Torp and his wife were godparents to two of Jens' children. Peder Torp's daughter (Anne Sophie Pedersdatter?) is also a godparent to his 3rd child born in 1799.

In 1801, I find him
Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, Torp Bye, , , 18, FT-1801
Name:   Age:   Marital status:   Occupation in household:   Occupation:   Birth place:
Peder Andersen   59   Gift   Huusbonde   Bonde og Gaardbeboer   
Ide Margrete Jensdatter   53   Gift   Hans Kone      
Anne Sophie Pedersdatter   16   Ugift   Deres Datter      
Jens Christian Pedersen   12   Ugift   Deres Søn      
Peder Jensen   3   Ugift   Pleiebarn      

Some of Jens' children are named after people with names that are not so common in Møborg at that moment. Jens named 2 of his children "Godske". In Møborg-Nees 1801-1815, Opslags 84-90, I see in 1802 the death of Godske Torps hustru Else Olufsdatter; Godske Christensen Torp is the only "Godske" in Vejhuus in the 1801 period. He dies 1809 aged 65 years.

In 1787, there was a Thomas Pedersen living in Hyldal bye in Møborg, seemingly unattached to any parents at age 14 (born about 1773). Thomas Pedersen i Greebs shows up as a godparent to one of Jens' children in 1813. Jens named 2 of his children "Thomas". Niels Greebs also shows up as a godparent to a couple of Jens' children. Niels Greebs' wife dies in Greebs in 1807. In 1801, I find them at:

Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, Greebs, , , 20, FT-1801
Name:   Age:   Marital status:   Occupation in household:   Occupation:   Birth place:
Niels Pedersen   59    Gift   Huusbonde   Bonde og Gaardbeboer   
Anne Christensdatter   39    Gift   Hans Kone      
Jens Jensen   16    Ugift   Tienestedreng      

Christen Aaeberg shows up as a godfather to several of Jens' children. He is, in fact, Christen Pedersen Aaebierg. We find him in the 1801 census at:

Ringkøbing, Skodborg, Møborg, Aaebierg, , , 21, FT-1801
Name:   Age:   Marital status:   Occupation in household:   Occupation:   Birth place:
Christen Pedersen   59    Gift   Huusbonde   Bonde og Gaardbeboer, samt Lægdsmand og Sognefoged   
Kirsten Madsdatter   36    Gift   Hans Kone      
Peder Christensen   19    Ugift   Hans Søn      
Karin Christensdatter   16    Ugift   Hans Datter      
Niels Christensen   12    Ugift   Hans Søn      
Maren Christensdatter   5    Ugift   Deres Datter      
Anne Christensdatter   4    Ugift   Deres Datter      
Christen Christensen   3    Ugift   Deres Søn      
Jens Christian Christensen   2    Ugift   Deres Søn      
Dorothea Jensdatter   12    Ugift   Pleiedatter      

If this picture is accurate, that would seem to compose the following family:

Peder Andersen, father, born about 1741
Ide Margrete Jensdatter, born about 1747 (second wife?)
Anne Kierstine Pedersdatter, b. 1761
Jens Pedersen Vejhuus, b. 1765-66
Thomas Pedersen, b. 1773
Anne Sophie Pedersdatter, b. 1784
Jens Christian Pedersen Torp, b. 1788

And, maybe it is a coincidence, but several of the other godparents also have the family name "Pedersen", like Jens: Christen Pedersen Aaebierg (b. about 1741) and Niels Pedersen Greebs (b. about 1741).

I need some other stronger evidence to link them though, don't you agree?

Regards,
Rick