Need Help - Difficult Ancestor from Rold sogn

[Rick Larsen]

Hello,

I am looking for birth/baptism information for Mariane CHRISTENSDR, born about 1794 in Rold Sogn, the daughter of Christen SØRENSEN. I would also de thrilled to find any information on her parents. She is proving to be a difficult case for me, because her birth is not recorded in the parish where she (claims she was) born.

WHAT DO I HAVE?
Mariane married Christen NIELSEN 3 Nov 1822 in Gunderup [Gunderup 1813-1832, Opslag 171]; Christen 25 of Fjellerad, Mariane 20 of Haals (birth year as +/- 1801-1802)

FT-1834 Gunderup, Opslag 4, Gunderup bye, Huus 16 (birthyear +/- 1800-1801)

Mariane widowed with death of Christen NIELSEN 2 May 1833 [Gunderup 1833-1846, Opslag 129]

Mariane married Christen POULSEN 15 Nov 1834 in Gunderup; [Gunderup 1833-1846, Opslag 91]; (birth year +/- 1794)

FT-1840 Gunderup, Opslag 5; Gunderup bye, Huus 20 (birth year +/- 1794)

FT-1845, 1850, 1855 and 1860 of Gunderup all give place of birth as Rold sogn and year of birth as +/- 1794

Mariane died 18 Oct 1878 in Gunderup sogn, af Falligaarden i Oppelstrup [Gunderup 1877-1892, Opslag 243]

No birth or baptism record found in Rold!

An entry in Rold on 5 Apr 1812 shows confirmation Mariane and Maren CHRISTENSDR, daughters of Christen SØRENSEN [Rold 1771-1813, Opslag 249]. Something distinguishes the entries for Mariane and Maren. The father of the two girls confirmed in 1812 may only be the stepfather to Maren. Or, maybe there are two different Christen Sørensens in the parish in 1812? There is an abbreviation after the second Christen Sørensen that can perhaps be read Stf (stiffader).  Whatever it is, it seems to distinguish the two entries.

Betrothal/Marriage entry on 13 Oct 1791 shows Enkemand Christen SØRENSEN married Karen SØRENSDR [Rold 1771-1813, Opslag 145]

FT-1787 Rold, Opslag 12, Rold Bye, 26th Family shows:
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Søren Pedersen {Rytterhuus} 70  Enke(mand) hosbonde huusmand 
Christen Sørensen 28  Ugift hans søn af første ægteskab tienende 
Karen Sørensdatter 30  Ugift hans datter af første ægteskab tienende

FT-1801 Rold shows Christen married Dorethe Helvig CHRISTENSDR (so the 1794 marriage was sister Karen and this is not the correct Christen!):
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christen Sørenson Rytterhuus 44  Gift mand huusmand med jord og hiulmand 
Dorethe Helvig Christensdatter 40  Gift hans kone   
Christen Christenson 10  Ugift deris søn   
Søren Christenson 2  Ugift deris søn   
Maren Christensdatter 7  Ugift deris datter   
Anne Christensdatter 5  Ugift deris datter

FT-1787 Rold also shows:
Aalborg, Hindsted, Rold, Rold Bye, , , 6
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christen Sørensen 53  Gift hosbonde gaardmand 
Kirsten Sørensdatter 41  Gift hans kone   
Søren Christenson 16  Ugift hosbondens søn af første ægteskab opholdende hos sin fader 
Johanne Marie Christensdatter 4  Ugift hans datter af første ægteskab

NOTE: I did not see a death/burial entry for his wife Kirsten in the 1787-1791 time frame, so I do not know if this is the right Christen!

Mariane's sister Maren married Christen JENSEN INGERSEN on 4 Jan 1818 in Årestrup [Årestrup 1813-1845, Opslag 165]; Bondsmen at marriage: {sister Mariane's husband} Christen NIELSEN fra Nøvling, Jens CHRISTENSEN af Ersted

WHAT I CANNOT FIND?

I cannot find Mariane's (or Maren's) birth/baptism record or any other source of birth date

I cannot find the family (Christen SØRENSEN, Karen SØRENSDR, Mariane CHRISTENSDR, Maren CHRISTENSDR) anywhere in Denmark in the 1801 Cenus (DDD, and Arkivalieronline for Rold)

I cannot find any information on Mariane's father, Christen SØRENSEN (birth, death, parents, etc.)

I cannot find any information on Mariane's mother, Karen SØRENSEN (birth, death, parents, etc.)

I also cannot find Mariane on the 1870 census of Gunderup (Oppelstrup) or nearby parishes.


Any help from more experienced researchers would be greatly appreciated!

Best Regards,
Rick Larsen (Luxembourg)