will help find ancestors in Canada/US

[Hanne Holck]

Thanks Homer!

But yes, I have the information you supplied, only not Karens (who lived the longest) death certificate, which might unveil, whether they had children. And I don't have any clous on how to research Axel's professional life as a miner.

BR
Hanne

[Homer Ficken]

Thanks Homer!

But yes, I have the information you supplied, only not Karens (who lived the longest) death certificate, which might unveil, whether they had children. And I don't have any clous on how to research Axel's professional life as a miner.

BR
Hanne

Sorry, I misunderstood your query.  Since Axel was your grandfather,, I thought Karen was your grandmother and that you were in Canada.  Now I realize that she must have been a later wife.

Information after 1930s is more difficult to obtain in US and Canada because of privacy laws, and the latest Canadian census Ancestry has available is the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.

Karen's death:

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
about Karen Hjorth Name: Karen Hjorth
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1911
Death Age: 74
Death Date: 14 Oct 1985
Death Location: Vancouver
Registration number: 1985-09-017093
BCA Number: B16576
GSU Number: 1358016

Here is what Ancestry lists regarding above:
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About British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
This electronic index of death registrations in the Canadian province of British Columbia was compiled by the British Columbia Vital Statistics Agency and the British Columbia Archives. The Vital Statistics Agency has released registrations of deaths that are at least 20 years old, in accordance with the Vital Statistics Act and the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.

The following information is provided in the index: surname, given name, gender, year, month, day, event place, registration number, British Columbia Archives microfilm number, Genealogical Society of Utah microfilm number. The index will only confirm the existence of a record on microfilm for the date listed. Once you have found an entry you can then view the actual record by obtaining a copy of the microfilm, and/or by contacting the British Columbia Vital Statistics Agency (http://www.hlth.gov.bc.ca/vs/index.html)

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The web address listed above is no longer valid and is now:  http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/    Perhaps you can obtain her death certificate from them.   The informant will usually be a descendant if they had children.

A miner's work was difficult, dangerous and unhealthy.

[Hanne Holck]

Thanks so much Homer - I take it that I must pay 50 $ for a copy of Karen's death certificate and see if there were any children as informants. Thanks again for the information you've supplied /Hanne

[Homer Ficken]

Thanks so much Homer - I take it that I must pay 50 $ for a copy of Karen's death certificate and see if there were any children as informants. Thanks again for the information you've supplied /Hanne

A death certificate is $27:

Certificate of Birth, Death, and Marriage $27.00*
Certified True Copy of Birth or Marriage Registration Document $50.00*

You might also post a query on these sites:

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.canada.britishcolumbia/mb.ashx

http://genforum.genealogy.com/canada/britishcolumbia/

Hjorth is an uncommon name and several are listed in British Columbia directory:

http://www.whitepages.com/name/Hjorth/BC

[Hanne Holck]

Thank you! I'll try via family tree and message board at ancestry.com BR Hanne

[pam sanchez]

I am hoping to get your assistance with the following people:

Nils Nilsen Dalsmon/Dolsman born Nils Nilsen on  7 jan 1855 in Skoger, Buskerud, Norway married Pauline Gunelia Frederiksdatter on 10 nov 1874 in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway.  Pauline was born  10 aug 1853 in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway.  Children born to them in Sandsvaer, Buskerud, Norway were Baby Nilsen stillborn on 25 sep 1873, Nikolene Frederike Nilsen born 28 may 1875 died 1878, Bolette Emily Nilsen born 4 sep 1877, Hans frederik Nilsen born 5 sep 1879 and Karl Anton born 3 may 1882.                       .

They immigrated in 1885 to the U.S.  The first records I find on them are located in Blooming Praire, Dodge County, Minnesota.  The are in the 1885 State census. They stayed there til about 1894. Several more children were born them as follows:  Clara N. Dalsmon born  1883 died 1891, Nels Peder Dalsmon born 1886, Ludvig Theodore born 1888, Clara born 1890. 

Then they move to Roberts County, South Dakota about 1895.  One more child was born there as follows:
John Edmer Dalsmon born in 1897.   The family was in the 1900 Roberts County Census but not located there in the 1920 Census.  Pauline and Hans were in the 1910 Roberts County, South Dakota Census.  Pauiine seems to travel and always be near Hans.

The family appears to split up.  In 1905 or so  Nils, Karl Anton and Nels Peder are found in Alberta Canada.  Pauline, Hans, John and Ludvig and Clara are found in Montana.  Nels Peder at times is found in Montana.  Nils and Karl who went by his middle name Anton buy land or homestead.  Nils died in Enchant, Lethbridge in 1923. Death date for Karl Anton is unknown. 


Hans, Ludvig and John never married.  Hans died in 1943 in Roberts County.  John and Ludvig both died in 1963 in Roberts County.  Clara married a Micheal Jozovich in Butte, Silver Bow County, Montana and lived there the rest of her life died in 1952.  Bolette Emily who went by Amelia appeared in Han's 1943 obituary that said she married a man with the last name of Hansen and still lived in Minnesota.  That is all the is known about her.  Nels Peder married Helga Svendsen and lived in Montana. 

The where abouts on Pauline are a mystery.  The last record I have on her is dated 1919 in Roberts Couny, South Dakota for a land purchase.  I have looked for her in the 1920 census but have been unable to locate her.  I have checked the Montana and South Dakota state death indexes and have not located her. 

The Dalsmon name has been spelled as Dalsmon, Delsmon and Dolsman.  Pauline's maiden name has been listed as Frederiksen and Frederiksdatter.

thanks for your help on any of the people above.

Pam

[Bjarne Due Pedersen]

It seems like Anita Griffith, who started this,  isn´t on anymore.
I posted « Svar #6 Dato: Tirsdag 21 02 2012, 05:47 » and haven´t got any responce at all.

[Jane C]

Pam, would it be better to start your own thread? Posted here, people reading the list of forum topics can't see that you have asked for help with your project. Only  those who have chosen to take an interest in this thread are reading your question(s).

[Hanne Holck]

Homer, can I ask you one more question?

Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?

BR Hanne

[Homer Ficken]

Homer, can I ask you one more question?

Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?

BR Hanne

You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html

I would try the archives listed first.

Good Luck!

[Hanne Holck]

Homer, can I ask you one more question?

Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?

BR Hanne

You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html

I would try the archives listed first.

Good Luck!

But the first ones apparantly are from Alberta and Karens death place is Vancouver BC ... Anyway.
Thanks a lot and I'll try

[Hanne Holck]

Homer, can I ask you one more question?

Will there be a viable way to search Canadian newspapers for obituaries, as I know details as to name, date and place, do you think?

BR Hanne

You can try the lookup volunteers listed here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~obitl/vwcan.html

I would try the archives listed first.

Good Luck!

But the first ones apparantly are from Alberta and Karens death place is Vancouver BC ... Anyway.
Thanks a lot and I'll try

... I'm being disconnected from ancestry.com (IP address, apparantly, can't imagine why) ...

[Jane C]

That's too bad about the problem reaching RootsWeb.

I think the Wayside Gold Mine of Bridge River, British Columbia, is about 140 km north of Vancouver. Wikipedia and other internet sources say it is located on the north side of Carpenter Lake at latitude 50° 52' 30", longitude 122° 49' 40." It is 3.2 kilometres north of Gold Bridge, British Columbia.
   Active exploration of Wayside Gold Mine began in 1906. See the link, below, for more history.
    The area around Wayside was being explored not only by mining companies but also by small, independent prospectors. There would be many different jobs associated with mining. Perhaps Axel was one of the men tunnelling underground, but maybe not.
    The main mining camps were Bralorne and Pioneer Mine.  During the 19th century, large hydraulic mining operations ( = using water power) stretched for thirty kilometers in this active mining area.
    It seems the Wayside Gold Mine had a typical mining set up for the miners. The company built and owned houses and other facilities for the miners. It governed the small miners' communities. Footpaths connected the mine adits (adit = opening to a mine).
    By 1933 the Wayside vein system had been exposed on five levels in 300 metres of tunnelling. Its vertical span was 150 metres. Production in 1915 and from 1934 to 1937, totaled 39,109 tons, yielding 166.1 kilograms of gold and 26.1 kilograms of silver.

http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm

http://198.103.48.36/studelev/froche/mike/photo-eng.php?PHPSESSID=fcde7f8629e57d602e4efaab9a83a468

Does all this sound like the place where Axel worked as a miner?

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[Jane C]

Family Search link with "how to" find information in Canada:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=P&Juris1=300&Event=Birth&Year=876

Also, maybe write an email to Anita who offered to help find people in Canada. She doesn't seem to come back to the forum, but is willing to help.

You say Axel started out farming, then became a miner. Do you think it could have been that he was mining when he was younger, and farming when older? I have three brothers on my family tree who emigrated Denmark to Vancouver area (late 1800s) and became prospectors (the people looking for good places to build a mine). They invested in mines that were not so very far from Wayside. Later they turned to farming. The mining areas would be explored actively and developed, but then later abandoned when mining became unprofitable.

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[Jane C]

* A sketch of Wayside Gold Mine location that shows relative location of other mines...on Carpenter Lake, at the foot of Mount Penrose. Attached.  

* A photo of Pioneer Mine (#2. on the sketch, to the right)

* Miners in Gold Bridge, British Columbia

A link with more information and photos (includes a photo of a chunk of gold!):

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=6444

: D

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[Jane C]

A sign commemorating Bralorne and Pioneer mines and other mines (such as Wayside) in the Bridge River mining area.

"BRIDGE RIVER GOLD
The famed Bralorne and Pioneer mines constitute British Columbia's leading gold camp.

In the 1860s prospectors from Fraser River and Caribou region found gold in the gravel of Bridge River. Hardrock claims were staked in the 1890s.

More than $100,000,000 in gold has come from the rich ore of these mines since 1932."


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[Jane C]

Attached is a postcard with a photograph of a Hjorth family in Aarsdale, Ibsker, Øster, Bornholm, Denmark.

This postcard was found in an antique shop in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The inscription reads, "En Glædelig Jul og et godt Nytaar ønskes af Familien Hjorth, Aarsdale." The postcard had NOT been mailed. (It could have been brought by the owner from Denmark to Canada.)

The person who purchased this postcard is seeking the family. See link:
http://familyphotoreunion.blogspot.com/search/label/Hjorth

Is this Axel Hjorth's family, Hanne? His uncle Laurits is living in Ibsker sogn in 1921.
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 137, 24, FT-1921, C9120
Laurits Peter Hjorth 5/4 1859 Gift Husfader Cementvarefabr. Østermarie

as a separate record on ddd.dda.dk, but seems to be same household:
Augusta Hjorth 22/3 1860 Gift Husmoder - Do [Østermarie]
Magda Hansine Bajer 22/1 1902 Ugift Tjenestepige Husgerning Ibsker

...also another Hjorth born in  Østermarie...(is this the same household?)
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 24 a, 8, FT-1921, C9120
Karl Hjorth 9/1 1895 Gift Husfader Gaardejer Østermarie

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Hjorth in the British Columbia marriage records online - you probably looked at these already:

Agnes E Newlander Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1932)
Axel Hjorth (and Karen)
Carl Hjalmar Hjorth (married in Trail 1936)
Egnar Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver 1926)
Morta Erika Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1928)
Niels Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1900)
Niels William Hjorth (married in Victoria 1916)
Walter Hjorth (married in Victoria 1923)



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[Jane C]

Now I see "En bror Einar Kristian udvandrer også, men der står ikke årstal."

Egnar Christian Hjorth married Dagny Viola Kildetoft on 14 January 1926 in Vancouver.
Dagny was born 30.03.1900 i Ølby, Sjælland.

It's a lot of English for you to read - I am sorry I don't speak Danish.

[Jane C]

A miner's house in the 1950s, near Wayside Mine.

Bradian is a little town in this area, built for miners and their families. Bradian is currently being restored, houses painted and fixed.

Some of the other mining camps were covered with water when a dam was built. Wayside Mine (and I supppose its miners's houses) is one of the places now underwater.

Again, here is the link to the Bradian website, with a page about Wayside Mine.
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/index.html

The Wayside page:
http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm

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[Hanne Holck]

That's too bad about the problem reaching RootsWeb.

I think the Wayside Gold Mine of Bridge River, British Columbia, is about 140 km north of Vancouver. Wikipedia and other internet sources say it is located on the north side of Carpenter Lake at latitude 50° 52' 30", longitude 122° 49' 40." It is 3.2 kilometres north of Gold Bridge, British Columbia.
   Active exploration of Wayside Gold Mine began in 1906. See the link, below, for more history.
    The area around Wayside was being explored not only by mining companies but also by small, independent prospectors. There would be many different jobs associated with mining. Perhaps Axel was one of the men tunnelling underground, but maybe not.
    The main mining camps were Bralorne and Pioneer Mine.  During the 19th century, large hydraulic mining operations ( = using water power) stretched for thirty kilometers in this active mining area.
    It seems the Wayside Gold Mine had a typical mining set up for the miners. The company built and owned houses and other facilities for the miners. It governed the small miners' communities. Footpaths connected the mine adits (adit = opening to a mine).
    By 1933 the Wayside vein system had been exposed on five levels in 300 metres of tunnelling. Its vertical span was 150 metres. Production in 1915 and from 1934 to 1937, totaled 39,109 tons, yielding 166.1 kilograms of gold and 26.1 kilograms of silver.

http://www3.telus.net/bradian/wayside.htm

http://198.103.48.36/studelev/froche/mike/photo-eng.php?PHPSESSID=fcde7f8629e57d602e4efaab9a83a468

Does all this sound like the place where Axel worked as a miner?

Tank you so much! And indeed it is highly probable that this is the very mine

[Hanne Holck]

Family Search link with "how to" find information in Canada:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=P&Juris1=300&Event=Birth&Year=876

Also, maybe write an email to Anita who offered to help find people in Canada. She doesn't seem to come back to the forum, but is willing to help.

You say Axel started out farming, then became a miner. Do you think it could have been that he was mining when he was younger, and farming when older? I have three brothers on my family tree who emigrated Denmark to Vancouver area (late 1800s) and became prospectors (the people looking for good places to build a mine). They invested in mines that were not so very far from Wayside. Later they turned to farming. The mining areas would be explored actively and developed, but then later abandoned when mining became unprofitable.

Axel was a farmer, when he left Denmark in 1923 (from Declaration of passenger to Canada SS Montlaurier) etc. He became a Canadian citizen in Sept. 1925 and on the Naturalisation Act of Oct. 1925 he is mentioned as a miner.

[Hanne Holck]

Attached is a postcard with a photograph of a Hjorth family in Aarsdale, Ibsker, Øster, Bornholm, Denmark.

This postcard was found in an antique shop in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The inscription reads, "En Glædelig Jul og et godt Nytaar ønskes af Familien Hjorth, Aarsdale." The postcard had NOT been mailed. (It could have been brought by the owner from Denmark to Canada.)

The person who purchased this postcard is seeking the family. See link:
http://familyphotoreunion.blogspot.com/search/label/Hjorth

Is this Axel Hjorth's family, Hanne? His uncle Laurits is living in Ibsker sogn in 1921.
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 137, 24, FT-1921, C9120
Laurits Peter Hjorth 5/4 1859 Gift Husfader Cementvarefabr. Østermarie

as a separate record on ddd.dda.dk, but seems to be same household:
Augusta Hjorth 22/3 1860 Gift Husmoder - Do [Østermarie]
Magda Hansine Bajer 22/1 1902 Ugift Tjenestepige Husgerning Ibsker

...also another Hjorth born in  Østermarie...(is this the same household?)
1921
Bornholm, Øster, Ibsker, , 24 a, 8, FT-1921, C9120
Karl Hjorth 9/1 1895 Gift Husfader Gaardejer Østermarie

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Hjorth in the British Columbia marriage records online - you probably looked at these already:

Agnes E Newlander Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1932)
Axel Hjorth (and Karen)
Carl Hjalmar Hjorth (married in Trail 1936)
Egnar Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver 1926)
Morta Erika Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1928)
Niels Christian Hjorth (married in Vancouver in 1900)
Niels William Hjorth (married in Victoria 1916)
Walter Hjorth (married in Victoria 1923)

Karl Mathias Hjorth was Axel's father and Ejnar Christian Hjorth his brother. He emigrated the same year as Axel. They all came from Østermarie, Bornholm - but the Ibsker family might be related. Karl Mathias was married to Hanne Magdalene Sofie born Rasmussen. I haven't quite 100 % knowledge as to the farm/household - yet

[Jane C]

Hi Hanne,

Here is a Hjorth family tree - these people are your Hjorth ancestors:
http://www.bornholm-stamtavle.dk/stamtavle/jochum/HTMLFiles/HTMLFiles_109/Rusinius_Laurentius_Hjorth_P19119.html

Lookup for Death Information: Maybe a volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness -British Columbia can help find out about Axel's Canadian-born children, if any. A volunteer might be willing to find obituaries for Axel and Karen, and copy information in the death certificates. The death certificates will probably name one of their children as "informant."
www.raogk.org

Homer also gave suggestions for ways to find the same information. The fastest way to get the death certificate for Axel is just to go ahead and pay the $27 - not so much money, if you just order the one.

Life as a Miner: In your online posts (here and last year) you asked many times about what life was like for Axel as a miner. That is why I pursued the information. The links I gave you give a vivid picture that I know you will enjoy and be thankful for after you have time to digest it all.

The Wayside Mine I told about IS the right one. On the Canadian Passenger Lists, as talked about earlier, Axel Hjorth can be seen to make a trip from Denmark to Canada in 1934. He listed his contact in Canada as Mr. G. Bancroft, Bridge River, Wayside Mine, B.C.

Ibsker Connection: There IS family (at least some family) to Axel Hjorth in Ibsker. His uncle Laurits Peter Hjorth moved there. In the 1880 census, you can see Laurits Peter Hjorth, 20, born in Østermarie sogn, Bornholm. Laurits is a brother to Axel's father. In 1921 census, you can see Laurits Peter Hjorth, born April 1859, born in Østermarie sogn, living in Ibsker sogn, Bornholm. Laurits's children were born in Ibsker sogn.

You can reply to a post by clicking SVAR at the bottom of a post. Most often you do not want to click CITAT, because then the whole post will appear again in the thread.

I think you have found out a lot about your grandfather!  A big THANK YOU from me to you for sharing the journey!



Mvh

[Homer Ficken]

Lookup for Death Information: Maybe a volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness -British Columbia can help find out about Axel's Canadian-born children, if any. A volunteer might be willing to find obituaries for Axel and Karen, and copy information in the death certificates. The death certificates will probably name one of their children as "informant."
www.raogk.org

Unfortunately, RAOGK is no longer online, as the administrator died last November.

[Jane C]

No wonder my brower wouldn't open the site. I thought it was me/my system. Thanks Homer.

[Hanne Holck]

Thank YOU, Jane and Homer!

Yes I have come far with the help from enthusiastic and skillful people as yourselves.

I will - as soon as I have a little break - contact the Ibsker part of the family.

And yes 27 or 50 CAD as it is for a photocopy is no big deal. I have filled and printed the form .... It is, however, Karen's death certificate or an obituary, if any, that will tell me, if there are any children in the marriage of Karen and Axel, I believe.

Thank you, Jane, for all your help, and, Homer, I tried the raog-link too and it failed.  But I will try the volunteer-webside.

BR Hanne

[Hanne Holck]

Hi - I can try to help anyone looking for ancestors who lived in Canada or the USA. I'm mostly limited to what I can find on-line and locally where I live (southern Ontario).
Anita

Hello Anita,

I wonder if you - without to much effort i.e. - could (help me) trace any children, if any, of

Axel Hjorth, Vancouver BC, Born 27 March 1896, Østermarie Bornholm, Denmark, Dead 12 Dec 1973 in Vancouver

married to Karen Larsen on 16 April 1934 in Vancouver

Karen was born approx 1911 in Kongsted, Præstø, Denmark and died in Vancouver 14 Oct 1985

I know I can order a copy of her death certificate, but first I'll try this way

Thanks so much in advance.

BR Hanne Holck

[Hanne Holck]

Hello Jane,

Apparantly I cannot gain access to Anita's profile, and thereby I cannot mail her. Could you send me her email address at hanne.holck@gmail.com ? Thanks in advance

Hanne

[Homer Ficken]

Hello Jane,

Apparantly I cannot gain access to Anita's profile, and thereby I cannot mail her. Could you send me her email address at hanne.holck@gmail.com ? Thanks in advance

Hanne

Hanne, just click on the little envelope icon below Anita's name in her original post and an email form should open.

It shows her email as:  anita.griffith@sympatico.ca

[Hanne Holck]

Thank you so much.

BR Hanne