I am trying to find information on my Great Grandfather Hans Erik Villumsen (later Harry Williamson) who jumped ship in Australia in May 1890. He was born in Kobenhavn 22 October 1869, his father was Edvard Villumsen and his mother was Annie Andersen. His father was a farmer according to a copy of the wedding certificate d. 3 Dec 1896. I believe the name of Villumsen then changed to Willumsen and in 1895 my Great Grandfather took the spelling Williamson after his naturalisation. He died on 28 Feb 1949. I have a family photo of perhaps his nephews and nieces c. 1899 inscribed on the reverse 'Til Daved & Erek'. The other names are Laurets/Thora/Kerstene/Anna. I also have the name of Fred (in a uniform) and of a baby after 1898 of Annie Christina Willumsen plus one other unnamed. I believe my Great Grandfather's brother was Niels These dates have been ascertained from the names of the photographers in Kobenhaven. I would be grateful if any assistance can be given to help me in my Danish search. Thank you. Linda Carter, New Zealand.
Hello Linda,
Do you have copies of the documents you can attach?
Is Hans Erik listed somewhere in the Australian National Archives? If so please provide links to the data.
There doesn't seem to be any by the names you mention in the 1880 census.
The fact that Hans Erik's father was a farmer sort of contradicts that he was born in Copenhagen. He is more likely born in a village near Copenhagen somewhere in the Copenhagen County.
Best
John
In the 1860 census there is a Edvard Williamsen, age 24, living in Kregme, Frederiksborg County.
He is a carpenter apprentice and born in Copenhagen. He could be a possible candidate for Hans Erik's father.
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9032931
Brian
In a case like this, one would try to follow Edvard in the military levying roll to see where he was in 1869.
In 1858 we find him in levying district 17 (Kregme Parish) #253
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17248#17248,733005
13 K 182 means that in the year K (1861) he will be listed as #182 in levying district 13 (Vinderød Parish)
And there he is:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=17254#17254,735196
Here 17- N69 refers to year N (1863), levying district 17 (Ågerup Parish, Holbæk County), #69. However, I am not able to find him there. 1861 the military levying roll system was reorganized, so this could be the reason, or I could have overlooked him. Maybe someone with more knowledge of this type of records could have a look.
Brian
The man in the levy records is named Edvard William.
It might be him here as a foster son:
Frederiksborg, Strø, Ølsted, Ølsted bye, huus, 9, FT-1840, C6758
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Niels Hansen 37 Gift hmd. daglejer
Birthe Pedersdtr. 35 Gift hans kone
Ane Kirstine Nielsdtr. 12 Ugift deres børn
Hans Nielsen 8 Ugift do
Peder Nielsen 6 Ugift do
Kirsten Nielsdtr. 1 Ugift do
Eduard William 4 Ugift plejebarn,fra stiftelsen
Frederiksborg, Strø, Ølsted, Ølsted By, et Huus, 17, FT-1845, C2828
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Niels Hansen 42 Gift Hmd: lever af sin Jordlod Ølsted S:
Birthe Pedersdatter 40 Gift hans Kone Do [Ølsted S:]
Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter 17 Ugift deres Børn Do [Ølsted S:]
Hans Nielsen 13 Ugift deres Børn Do [Ølsted S:]
Peder Nielsen 11 Ugift deres Børn Do [Ølsted S:]
Eduard William 9 Ugift Pleiebarn fra Kjøbenhavns Fattigvæsen Kjøbenh.
Frederiksborg, Strø, Ølsted, Ølsted sogn, Ølsted by, 18, FT-1850, C5428
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Niels Hansen 48 Gift Daglejer, husfader Ølsted Sogn
Birthe Pedersdatter 45 Gift Hans Hustru Ølsted Sogn
Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter 22 Ugift Deres datter Ølsted Sogn
William Eduard 13 Ugift Plejebarn København
Frederiksborg, Strø, Lille Lyngby, Store Lyngby By, Et Hus, 7, FT-1880, C6608
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Ole Laurits Larsen 34 Gift Husfader, Daglejer, Nyder Fattigunderstøttelse Ølsted Sogn
Ane Marie Hansen 35 Gift Hans Hustru Skævinge Sogn
Kristian Larsen 8 Ugift Søn, Deres Barn Borup
Niels Henrik Larsen 6 Ugift Søn, Deres Barn Gjørløse Sogn
Oluf Peter Larsen 3 Ugift Søn, Deres Barn Gjørløse Sogn
Kristine Marie Larsen 1 Ugift Datter, Deres Barn Sigerslevøster
Edvard Villiam 43 Ugift Snedker København
Margrethe Jensdatter 58 Enke Fattiglem Oppesunby
Karen Sigvardsdatter 77 Enke Husmoder og Husejer, lever af sin Jordlod Her i Sognet
Peder Sørensen 56 Fraskilt Daglejer i Agerbruget, Hendes Søn Her i Sognet
Hans Sørensen 38 Ugift Hjulmager, Hendes Søn Her i Sognet
Lars Sørensen 35 Ugift Tjemer Moderen, Hendes Søn Her i Sognet
Jens Peder Hansen 10 Ugift Plejesøn Her i Sognet
Hans Olsen 54 Gift Husfader og Jordbruger Her i Sognet
Sidse Marie Olsdatter 45 Gift Husmoder Her i Sognet
Frederiksborg, Strø, Lille Lyngby, Store Lyngby m-kort nr.5795 liste 5, hus f.2, 3, FT-1890, B9456
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Edvard Villiam 53 Ugift husfader under fattigforsørgelse Kjøbenhavn
Edvard's confirmation is here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17119991#159237,26772418
He was born January 26, 1837 in Copenhagen at the Maternity Hospital (Københavns Fødselsstiftelse).
At his birth neither his mother's nor his father's names were recorded.
Since Edvard stays as a single until the age of 53. He might not be the most obvius candidate.
Best
John
According to this document:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16415220#19,13509
Edvard was handed to his foster parents on March 6, 1837. His mother is only mentioned by number 82.
Best
John
Edvard dies unmarried in 1891 age 54.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=153318#153318,25537951
Best
John
There seems to be a bug in the archives' new viewer.
When you click the link it goes to page 1 in the book. If you copy and paste the URL into the adress field again it seems to work - at least in my browser.
Brian
Same thing here.
I use Firefox and Google Chrome on Ubuntu.
Best
John
I agree with John. This is probably not the right Edvard.
Doing a wider search. I came up with this family in the 1870 census, that does and does not fit. Many of the elements are there, just not in the right order.
All persons in the household
København, Smørum, Ishøj, Tranegilde, , 157, FT-1870, A4369
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Erik Villumsen 27 gift husfader huseier Sengeløse
Ane Hansdatter 28 gift husmoder her i sognet
Søren Oluf Hansen 5 ugift barn København
Hans Peder Villumsen under 1 år ugift barn her i sognet
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid9202137
Hans Peder was born 22 November 1869 in Ishøj Parish - page 25
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=204513#204513,38802230
The family in the 1880 census:
All persons in the household
København, Smørum, Sengeløse, Vridsløsemagle, Et Hus, 134, FT-1880, C4841
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Erik Villumsen 37 Gift Husfader, Daglejer i Agerbrug Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Ane Hansdatter 38 Gift Hans Hustru Ishøj Sogn i Kjøbenhavns Amt
Lars Christian Villumsen 8 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Jens Villumsen 3 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Ane Kirstine Villumsen 1 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Kirsten Larsdatter 71 Enke Husfaderens Moder Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Hans Peder age 10 is already serving:
København, Smørum, Sengeløse, Vridsløsemagle, En Gaard, 98, FT-1880, C4841
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Lars Hansen 51 Gift Husfader, Gaardejer Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Ane Marie Hansdatter 57 Gift Hans Hustru Kildebrønde Sogn i Kjøbenhavns Amt
Jens Peter Larsen 29 Gift Deres Søn Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
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Hans Andersen 18 Ugift Deres Tjenestefolk Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
Hans Peder Villumsen 10 Ugift Deres Tjenestefolk Her i Sognet [Sengeløse]
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid10209947
In the 1890 census the names of Hans Peder's younger siblings fit the names in the original post.
All persons in the household
København, Smørum, Sengeløse, Vridsløsemagle, , 270, FT-1890, C4842
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Erik Villumsen 47 Gift Husfader Arbejdsmand, Daglejer i Agerbrug Sengeløse Sogn
Ane Villumsen 48 Gift Husmoder Trangilde
Ane Christine Villumsen 11 Ugift Barn Sengeløse Sogn
Marthin Villumsen 6 Ugift Barn Sengeløse Sogn
Laurits Villumsen 5 Ugift Barn Sengeløse Sogn
Ana Villumsen (Tvillinger) 5 Ugift Barn Sengeløse Sogn
Thora Villumsen 3 Ugift Barn Sengeløse Sogn
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid12389763
Ane Christine Villumsen died 1901 in Copenhagen, unmarried, so she is probably not the woman with the child. - page 169
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=155481#155481,25975523
http://www.kbharkiv.dk/kildeviser/#!?collection=5&item=145526
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=3403129&searchname=polit_adv
However her brother Jens in 1900 married a Ane Kirstine Pedersen in Sengeløse - page 120
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=155481#155481,25975474
Jens was manager of Ringsted bacon factory. Here in the 1906 census. - page 3
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=16569#16569,624555
Ane Kirstine Willumsen could be the woman in the picture with the daughter Anna Christine - or this is yet another wild-goose chase.
Brian
Linda has allowed me to post an email she sent me and John:
Hello John and hopefully Brian too.
Thank you for the response. You are coming up with lots of info as is Bente who is responding through my email address. I wish I could respond to you both on the forum but I can't seem to find the link that puts it there, hence my coming back to you both individually. I hope a copy of this is also going to Brian but if not John, could you put him in the loop too. I am using an ipad beside my pc trying to do translations!
I have now had a chat to my elderly aunt who tells me as far as she knows he was just Hans (Harry) Williamson and she has never heard of him having the second name of Erik so goodness knows where my father got that one. However, the last entry really does follow the names of the photo which I am told was taken in Odense.
I am attaching the marriage and death certificates for you. Sorry the naturalisation one is very dark (so I haven't copied that) but states his name is Hans and he is aged 26 at the time and occupation of farmer. Mackay is a sugar cane area in Queensland.
My aunt said that the family in the photo which I will also attach had planned to visit Australia but the war intervened, though not sure which one she meant. She was born in 1933 so not sure if she is talking from what her grandfather told her which could mean either WW1 or WWII.
In the family that he had with Annie Smout (my GGm), the first son is named David which would be after her father, the 2nd Eric is from the male side of Villumsen I would think, Lillian Gertrude (my Gm not sure there), Harry Jnr (Danish) and then Ada (female side) Thora (Danish side). So you can see there is a record of names following through.
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When I followed my GGs trail to Australia via NZ (1890) his immigration crew list upon entering Australia stated he had departed from Shetland.
Also I can confirm that Hans' older brother was definitely Neils Anders Villumsen, the soldier I mentioned born in 1852 Bendstrup? as I have a family portrait which passed to me recently after my mother died and my Great Aunt Ada Thora always used to say Goodbye Uncle Niels as she walked past it on her way out the front door. It always hung in her family home before my father took control of it after my great grandparents died and before it was assigned to the firewood pile. It is painted on glass but I will try and find an artist's copy of it which my father produced to send to the Danish Consul when seeking the info re the army connection.
Re photo, on reverse the names in descending order are - Laurets/Thora/Kerstene Anna/Anna but I can't be sure with the centre two which is left and right though I think Thora is the one to the right and Kerstene Ana has the bow at her throat. A baby photo of Anna Christene Willumsun is taken after 1898. I have a very obscure photo of a boy soldier named Fred and also a female, no name, dated between 1877 and 1887, a younger woman.
Hope this isn't loading you with too much info.
Thank you all once again.
Kindest regards
Linda.
Niels Andersen Willumsen was born 8 December 1852 in Bendstrup, Alsønderup Parish, Frederiksborg County to Willum Pedersen and Lene Pedersdatter page 39. - Hard to see how he fits in at the moment.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=148043#148043,24449302
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10481388
Brian
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Linda has sent me Hans's marriage and death certificate and a photo from Odense.
Best
John
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Death certificate
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Citat fra: Brian Lauridsen [886] Dato 18 Jul 2015 - 08:44
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Niels Andersen Willumsen was born 8 December 1852 in Bendstrup, Alsønderup Parish, Frederiksborg County to Willum Pedersen and Lene Pedersdatter page 39. - Hard to see how he fits in at the moment.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=148043#148043,24449302
http://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10481388
Brian
I doubt that Niels Andersen Willumsen is a brother of Hans' as in the 1860 and 1870 censuses the families had these members:
Willum Pedersen 34
Lene Pedersdatter 31
Peder Willumsen 10
Niels Anders Willumsen 6
Dorthe Marie Willumsdatter 6
Willum Pedersen 43
Lene Pedersdatter 41
Niels Andersen Willumsen 17
Dortea Marie Willumsen 15
Ellen Elise Willumsen 8
Far fetched Niels Andersen Willumsen could be Hans' father. Since Hans would have been born out of wetlock he might have made up his parents names at his wedding.
Best
John
Niels A. Willumsen is supposed to be Hans' brother.
Hans was born in Ishøj to Erik Villumsen and Ane Hansdatter.
Hans named a son after Erik.
Erik Villumsen was born 1842 in Sengeløse to Willum Andersen and Ester Christine Larsdatter page 8
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=155476#155476,25974333
Niels' father was Willum Pedersen.
Doesn't really add up. The two Willums could be 1st cousins, but that is speculations at this point.
Brian
Here is a little help:
http://www.geni.com/people/Hans-Peter-Willumsen/6000000030941587564
http://www.familiekroeniken.dk/site/person.asp?person=116644
Brian
I have spent much time trying to find a connection between Niels Anders Willumsen and Hans Peter Willumsen, but I have not found any.
Bente Lindhardt
I would take the information on Geni with a grain og salt.
Hans' sister Anna Villumsen is supposed to have been married and given birth to a daughter in Eureka Springs, Carroll County, Arkansas 14 December 1905.
At that point she is a servant in Copenhagen.
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1472025&searchname=polit_adv
November 1905 she is living in Vestergade 4
http://www.kbharkiv.dk/kildeviser/#!?collection=2&item=3283479
May 1906 she is living at the same adress:
http://www.kbharkiv.dk/kildeviser/#!?collection=2&item=3283412
Brian
Citat fra: Brian Lauridsen [886] Dato 17 Jul 2015 - 19:32
There seems to be a bug in the archives' new viewer.
When you click the link it goes to page 1 in the book. If you copy and paste the URL into the adress field again it seems to work - at least in my browser.
Brian
In another thread it is mentioned that with Firefox you simply click the back button once, then you end on the right page.
Best
John