Hello,
I'm Back!! I had much help from your group a couple years ago, but we may have been looking at the wrong person, apparently. I had been of the opinion that my Grandfather's name was Peter Miller, but after 10 years of searching could not find the correct one. It appears that he may have changed to that name upon arrival in the US in 1894, and that he was possibly born on 03 February 1870 in Copenhagen, with the name of Aage Eduard Møller. I had stopped looking for him after having been led to another man by the name of Peter Madsen Marius Møller, who was soon determined by your members to not be my man, as he was still alive and living there after he was supposed to be in the US. I stopped as I didn't want to waste any more of your groups time, but never gave up.
I have now learned through research by a researcher in a "Danish-American" Facebook group that I recently joined that she had possibly found my grandfather, apparently in Police Departure records for 1894 under the name Aage Eduard Møller, born 03 February 1870, "Københaven" Stillinger Mejerist. The researcher said that he was listed as a "dairyman," and there was mention that he comes from "Kristiania" (Norway); which I assume to mean that his parents immigrated from there to Copenhagen before he was born. My Grandfather (Peter Miller) was an award winning butter-maker, having in 1895 won a "First Prize" for best butter (i.e., lowest butterfat) one year after arriving in Ellsworth, Hamilton, Iowa in 1894.
He filed his "First Papers" in Hamilton County, Iowa on 19 September 1894, was granted citizenship in Stearns County, Minnesota on 03 July 1900. In an effort to find information on him, I had tried to find "Guild" records for training dairymen in Denmark, but never could; it being my hope that he would have begun his apprenticeship at about age 14, then completed his Journeyman and Master levels before leaving in 1894, at age 24. The 03 February 1870 birthdate does fit perfectly with dates known here. Ay help in locating his family information would be most appreciated.
Hi Wayne
I don't think Aage Eduard Møller is your man - he is still in Copenhagen in 1915 with wife and kid.
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2256104&isbrowsing=1&searchname= (http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2256104&isbrowsing=1&searchname=)
/Ellen
Hi again - Wayne
Sorry, there is 2 Aage Eduard Møller - the other one fits better:
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv (http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv)
/Ellen
A proposal
Navn: Møllehøj, Peter Rasmussen Stilling: Mejerist
Alder: 24 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junc., Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 162800 Forevisningsdato: 5/1/1894
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: ? Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Alsted, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
Bemærkninger: SOS: Der findes Alstedgård, Alstedlund, Alsted mark, Li. Alsted i Ør. Nykirke Sogn, Vejle Amt. IDkode: I9294M3701
I think this is him in the 1890-census:
Vejle, Nørre Tyrstrup, Ødis, ødis sogn, midlertidig fraværende fra ødis sog, 268, FT-1890, C5769
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peter Rasmussen Møller 20 Ugift tjenestetyende tjenestetyende Bjært Sogn - Vejle Amt
/Ellen
Peter Rasmussen Møller is born on 11. june 1869.
Doesn't fits the birth date.
/Ellen
Hi Wayne,
Have you found Peter Miller's immigration?
And what about his marriage record, which might tell us where in Denmark he was born?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M93B-JGH
Peter Miller
United States Census, 1900
Name: Peter Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Crow River Township Belgrade village, Stearns, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Years Married: 3
Birth Date: Feb 1870
Birthplace: Denmark
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1897
Immigration Year: 1894
Father's Birthplace: Denmark
Mother's Birthplace: Denmark
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Peter Miller Head M 30 Denmark
Anna Miller Wife F 24 Minnesota
Emma Miller Daughter F 2 Minnesota
Cora Miller Daughter F 0 Minnesota
Linas Corneilson Boarder M 21 Norway
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11126-189987-85?cc=1325221
Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Citat fra: Gitte Johansen [67] Dato 17 Mar 2015 - 21:37
A proposal
Navn: Møllehøj, Peter Rasmussen Stilling: Mejerist
Alder: 24 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junc., Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 162800 Forevisningsdato: 5/1/1894
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: ? Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Alsted, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
Bemærkninger: SOS: Der findes Alstedgård, Alstedlund, Alsted mark, Li. Alsted i Ør. Nykirke Sogn, Vejle Amt. IDkode: I9294M3701
This is my Peter Miller -- Jewell Junction is attached to Ellsworth, Hamilton County, Iowa; I sent my complete e-mail a few minutes ago, apparently not having done it correct.
I now have found three Peter Millers living closer to each other in the same county (Hamilton), or close – on the border townships of Franklin County – Lee and Hamilton. I believe my Grandfather was the last Peter Miller to come to Iowa, in 1894 – directly to Ellsworth, following the other two (ages 43 and 48 respectively) who came together in 1871; 43 year-old Peter Miller settled in Kemrar according to the 1900 Census – Freedom and Independence township just south of Webster City, about 8 miles from Ellsworth. His older relative, 48 year-old Peter Miller, had by 1900 settled in Franklin County, straddling Lee and Hamilton Townships, as he is listed in both townships which are a very few miles Northeast of Webster City, about 20 miles north of Ellsworth.
I firmly believe that the connection to them all is the Rasmussen family, headed by Rasmus (age 63) and Karen M. Rasmussen (age64), with whom my Peter Miller is living (Jewell Junction, Ellsworth, Hamilton County, Iowa) in May 1895 – one year after he arrived from Denmark, when the mid-decade Iowa Census was taken on 05 May 1895. In the 1900 Federal Census there are surnamed Rasmussen individuals living with the two elder Peter Millers, 75 year-old Aunt Marer (believe mis-spelled Mette) Rasmussen is living with the 43 year-old Peter in Kamrar, just south of Webster City. A Niels Peter Rasmussen (age 41) is living with the 48 year-old Peter Miller family in Franklin County, just a few miles Northeast of Webster City.
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 18 Mar 2015 - 10:18
Hi Wayne,
Have you found Peter Miller's immigration?
And what about his marriage record, which might tell us where in Denmark he was born?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M93B-JGH
Peter Miller
United States Census, 1900
Name: Peter Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Year: 1900
Event Place: Crow River Township Belgrade village, Stearns, Minnesota, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): W
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Years Married: 3
Birth Date: Feb 1870
Birthplace: Denmark
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1897
Immigration Year: 1894
Father's Birthplace: Denmark
Mother's Birthplace: Denmark
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Peter Miller Head M 30 Denmark
Anna Miller Wife F 24 Minnesota
Emma Miller Daughter F 2 Minnesota
Cora Miller Daughter F 0 Minnesota
Linas Corneilson Boarder M 21 Norway
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11126-189987-85?cc=1325221
Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Yes I have that Census taken June 1900!! Thank you!! About ten days later he received his US Citizenship, on 03 July 1900
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 17 Mar 2015 - 22:38
Peter Rasmussen Møller is born on 11. june 1869.
Doesn't fits the birth date.
/Ellen
Drats!! I'm wondering whether there was a mistake of the date given that he wasn't there for the Census of 1890. Might someone have answered for him. I wonder if he was gone for his Dairyman (Butter-Maker) training?? Is there some way to get the other residents living at the "..Odis Sog 268.." to cross check names?? OH MY OH MY!! Hopefully not another snag like the last time we thought we had him!! Wayne
Citat fra: Wayne Johnson [14150] Dato 18 Mar 2015 - 18:28
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 17 Mar 2015 - 22:38
Peter Rasmussen Møller is born on 11. june 1869.
Doesn't fits the birth date.
/Ellen
Drats!! I'm wondering whether there was a mistake of the date given that he wasn't there for the Census of 1890. Might someone have answered for him. I wonder if he was gone for his Dairyman (Butter-Maker) training?? Is there some way to get the other residents living at the "..Odis Sog 268.." to cross check names?? OH MY OH MY!! Hopefully not another snag like the last time we thought we had him!! Wayne
The Departure record is interesting in that person is clearly my grandfather, a dairyman going to Jewell Junction (Ellsworth,) Hamilton County, Iowa; where I have him living on 03 May 1895 when the 1895 State Census was taken. In the household are: Steven Nelson, age 30 - Head -- Farmer; Mine Nelson (wife), 24; Andrew Nelson (son), age 1; Anton Rasmussen, age 23; Peter Miller, age 25 -- Buttermaker; Rasmus Rasmussen, age 63; and, Karen m. Rasmussen (his wife), age 64. All claimed they had been born in Denmark.
It is not Peter Rasmussen Møller.
He is a soldier in 1896.
Nr. P 52
https://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?epid=16480943#27667,2955634
We have to find Peter Rasmussen (Møllehøj)
These are the Rasmussen's from the 1895 Iowa census. I'm not sure if they are related to Peter Milller.
Vejle, Bjerre, Bjerre, Neder Bjerge By, Hus, 5, FT-1880, D2458
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rasmus Rasmussen 46 Gift Arbeidsmand. Husfader Hornum Sogn
Karen Marie Poulsen 47 Gift Husmoder Skjol Sogn
Rasmine Johanne Rasmussen 10 Ugift deres Børn Hornum Sogn
Anton Rasmussen 8 Ugift deres Børn Hornum Sogn
Rasmus Iversen 75 Enkemand Aftægtsmand forsørges af Husfader Stoubi Sogn
and their emigration records:
Navn: Rasmussen, Karen Marie Stilling: Hustru
Alder: 57 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junction, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 205000 Forevisningsdato: 3/29/1890
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8990R1904
Navn: Rasmussen, Rasmus Stilling: Husmand
Alder: 56 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junction, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 205000 Forevisningsdato: 3/29/1890
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8990R1903
Navn: Rasmussen, Anton Stilling: Tyende (m/k land)
Alder: 17 Bestemmelsessted: Jewel June, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 14200 Forevisningsdato: 2/1/1889
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8889R1310
Navn: Rasmussen, Rasmine Stilling: Tyende (m/k land) (Mine Nelson I presume)
Alder: 19 Bestemmelsessted: Jewel Junc., Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 17500 Forevisningsdato: 2/5/1889
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8889R1313
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 18 Mar 2015 - 10:18
Have you found Peter Miller's immigration?
And what about his marriage record, which might tell us where in Denmark he was born?
You didn't answer my questions.
Best regards,
Inger T.
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 19 Mar 2015 - 10:31
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 18 Mar 2015 - 10:18
Have you found Peter Miller's immigration?
And what about his marriage record, which might tell us where in Denmark he was born?
You didn't answer my questions.
Best regards,
Inger T.
Searched high and low, but there are no marriage records as church records were destroyed in fire in 1930s, had been stored in basement of private home.
He has always claimed in local records that he was born in Copenhagen. The departure police records (as translated) seemed to be confusing!! What does "Indirect" mean, followed by a series of explanations: "..SOS: there is A Farm, ALAD, A mark, Li, Alsted in Lightheaded (???). Nykirke Sogn, Vejle County. IDkode: I9294M3701
From http://www.udvandrerarkivet.dk/udvandrerprotokollerne/
"Direct - Indirect
Direct tickets are Issued direct Copenhagen - New York. In these cases, include the name of the ship. Indirect tickets issued by a Danish travel agent, but applies to exit from a non-Danish sailing port (usually German or English) - in these cases, ship name not available."
In the remark, the transcriber has tried to identify Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj's last place of residence in Denmark: Alsted, Vejle. The place names Alstedgård etc. are found in Øster Nykirke parish, Vejle county.
Best regards,
Inger T.
Citat fra: John Wrenholt [12094] Dato 18 Mar 2015 - 21:49
These are the Rasmussen's from the 1895 Iowa census. I'm not sure if they are related to Peter Milller.
Vejle, Bjerre, Bjerre, Neder Bjerge By, Hus, 5, FT-1880, D2458
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rasmus Rasmussen 46 Gift Arbeidsmand. Husfader Hornum Sogn
Karen Marie Poulsen 47 Gift Husmoder Skjol Sogn
Rasmine Johanne Rasmussen 10 Ugift deres Børn Hornum Sogn
Anton Rasmussen 8 Ugift deres Børn Hornum Sogn
Rasmus Iversen 75 Enkemand Aftægtsmand forsørges af Husfader Stoubi Sogn
and their emigration records:
Navn: Rasmussen, Karen Marie Stilling: Hustru
Alder: 57 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junction, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 205000 Forevisningsdato: 3/29/1890
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8990R1904
Navn: Rasmussen, Rasmus Stilling: Husmand
Alder: 56 Bestemmelsessted: Jewell Junction, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 205000 Forevisningsdato: 3/29/1890
Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8990R1903
Navn: Rasmussen, Anton Stilling: Tyende (m/k land)
Alder: 17 Bestemmelsessted: Jewel June, Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 14200 Forevisningsdato: 2/1/1889
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8889R1310
Navn: Rasmussen, Rasmine Stilling: Tyende (m/k land) (Mine Nelson I presume)
Alder: 19 Bestemmelsessted: Jewel Junc., Iowa
Kontrakt nr.: 17500 Forevisningsdato: 2/5/1889
Sidste oph.sogn: Bjerre Sidste oph. amt: Vejle
Sidste oph.sted: Bjerre, Vejle Bestemmelses land: USA
Bestemmelses by: Jewell Bestemmelses stat: Iowa
Skibsnavn: Indirekte
IDkode: I8889R1313
I believe that it is safe to assume that they are relate somehow, but until we can find difference between Møller and Møllehof we are probably not able to locate my grandfather's information. Is Møllehof even a real family name? On the original photocopy of the Police Report - it clearly shows Møller, not Møllerhof. it states: "Fulde Navn; Møller Aage Eduard 3-2-1870 Copenhagen Stillinger Mejerist." Source: Stadsarkiv@kff.kk.dk f Brug ogrettigheder
Wayne
The following link is to the original record where we first found my Peter Miller as Aage Eduard Møller.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politietsregisterblade.dk%2Fcomponent%2Fsfup%2F%3Fcontroller%3Dpolitregisterblade%26task%3DviewRegisterblad%26id%3D2105417%26isbrowsing%3D1%26searchname%3Dpolit_adv&h=fAQFGQ9rL
I think Aage Eduard Møller and Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj are two different persons.
I did find the surname Møllehøi / Møllehøj / Møllehøy in Copenhagen censuses 1840, 1845 , and 1850.
Inger T.
Hi Wayne
Personaly, I think Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj is the best lead yet. Althorugh we haven't found his birthrecord yet.
- You state, his migration record (with destination) suits.
- He is born in 1870
- He is a dairyman
The info that his last place of residence is Alsted is also interesting. There is a dairy on the parish, where he could have been educated.
We need to look more around to try to find his birth.
Regards
Ellen
I have found a Peter Rasmussen, born february, 24 1870 in Alsønderup.
http://www4.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=0148044#148044,24449465
Location in Alsønderup: Møllehøj.
Not so far from Copenhagen.
Unfortunately he is a cobbler in 1890.
He could of course have changed to "mejerist".
Have you ever heard of a cobbler?
Frederiksborg, Strø, Alsønderup, Neiede By, Et Hus, 251-F1, FT-1890, C5434
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Frederikke Rasmussen 54 Enke Husmoder Lynge Sogn
Peder Rasmussen 20 Ugift Barn Skomager Alsønderup
I cannot find him in "lægdsruller".
If you look at the other church book from Alsønderup, I read that he was born in Alsyn??, maybe Alsønderup Mark.
https://www4.sa.dk/content/dk/ao-forside/find_kirkeboger
Frederiksborg, Strø, Alsønderup, 1857-1881, Opslag 30, Nr. 2.
The last two witnesses are of Møllehøi(e), though.
Inger T.
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsønderup_Sogn
(http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Als%C3%B8nderup_Sogn)
Alsønderup Sogn er et sogn i Hillerød Provsti (Helsingør Stift). Sognet ligger i Hillerød Kommune; indtil Kommunalreformen i 1970 lå det i Strø Herred (Frederiksborg Amt). I Alsønderup Sogn ligger Alsønderup Kirke.
I Alsønderup Sogn findes flg. autoriserede stednavne:
Alsønderup (bebyggelse, ejerlav)
Alsønderup Indelukke (bebyggelse)
Alsønderup Overdrev (bebyggelse)
Alsønderup Vænge (bebyggelse)
Bendstrup (bebyggelse, ejerlav)
Bendstrup Overdrev (bebyggelse)
Lykkesholm (bebyggelse)
Møllehøj (bebyggelse)
Nejede (bebyggelse, ejerlav)
Nejede Vesterskov (bebyggelse)
Sønder Strødam (bebyggelse)
Tulstrup (bebyggelse, ejerlav)
Vester Strødam (bebyggelse, ejerlav)
No! I have not seen any reference to him as a cobbler. He arrived and went to work immediately. He was first recognized, soon after his arrival in Iowa, in 1895 with a award for "Best Butter" by an association of dairymen, butter-makers; he became the manager of a creamery in Minnesota in early 1896, when it opened -- hired by my Great Grandfather, a successful farmer who had arrived from Norway in 1869.
Please excuse me if I am late in responding as my main computer went bad this AM, and had to switch.
Wayne
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 19 Mar 2015 - 19:10
Hi Wayne
Personaly, I think Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj is the best lead yet. Althorugh we haven't found his birthrecord yet.
- You state, his migration record (with destination) suits.
- He is born in 1870
- He is a dairyman
The info that his last place of residence is Alsted is also interesting. There is a dairy on the parish, where he could have been educated.
We need to look more around to try to find his birth.
Regards
Ellen
Hi Ellen,
I agree, we will find him this time; it seems so strange, however, that the initial identity I got with the "facebook" lead, spelled Aage Eduard Møller (Dairyman) does not match up with the Møllehof data (with the Jewell Junction destination connection -- which is unquestionably him) from that police departure record. The Rasmussen connection also works -- those arriving at Jewell Junction in 1869.
I may be a little slow as I am having computer problems, as my main computer crashed this AM, and I am using a less relatable one until I can get the main one to a repair shop.
Regards, Wayne
This is not a police departure record. The Copenhagen police has registered Aage Eduard Møller as staying at the address Vesterbrogade 94, 1st floor, arriving from Kristiania (Oslo). Unfortunately, the date at the top is illegible:
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv
The Copenhagen Police Emigration Protocols, where Gitte found Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj's emigration in May 1894, are a different matter: http://www.udvandrerarkivet.dk/udvandrerprotokollerne/
Inger T.
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 19 Mar 2015 - 21:23
This is not a police departure record. The Copenhagen police has registered Aage Eduard Møller as staying at the address Vesterbrogade 94, 1st floor, arriving from Kristiania (Oslo). Unfortunately, the date at the top is illegible:
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv
The Copenhagen Police Emigration Protocols, where Gitte found Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj's emigration in May 1894, are a different matter: http://www.udvandrerarkivet.dk/udvandrerprotokollerne/
Inger T.
Thank You!! I am at my wits end, I am trying to comprehend the difference between the names; Gitte's find, with him going to Jewell Junction has to be him. (Jewell Junction is a smaller town about 2 - 3 Kms. west of Ellsworth, Iowa - a larger town); the 1895 State Census recorded them in Ellsworth; Peter living in the home with Rasmus and Karen and Anton Rasmsussen (the 1900 Federal Census carries Anton as Head of household, and Rasmus and Marie (Karen) his parents. The head of household in 1895 was a Steven Nelson, along with his wife Mine (daughter of Rasmus and Karen Marie Rasmussen, I assume); my grandfather, Peter Miller, butter-maker, and a one year old son of Steven and Mine, Andrew, round out the seven occupants in the home in 1895.
Regards, Wayne
Hi Wayne
I checked all churchrecords for all parishes in Vejle County for februar 1870. No Peter Ramussen (Møllehøj) born in any of them.
So if we assume the birth date feb.1870 from the census is correct, Peter is not born in Vejle.
Next step is to check all Parishes which has a location called 'Møllehøj'.
/Ellen
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 20 Mar 2015 - 19:50
Hi Wayne
I checked all churchrecords for all parishes in Vejle County for februar 1870. No Peter Ramussen (Møllehøj) born in any of them.
So if we assume the birth date feb.1870 from the census is correct, Peter is not born in Vejle.
Next step is to check all Parishes which has a location called 'Møllehøj'.
/Ellen
Thanks Ellen!! I've been convinced he was born in February, given his Census statements and family lore. I am wondering what Møllehoj could stand for, as in other countries I have researched over the years -- in the late 1990s and early 2000s, for my and wife's heritage, name variations sometimes reflected where the person was born (I seem to recall that "hof' in German reflected a farm -- when I was in my late 60s and early 70s, but my now much more advanced age may have corrupted the memory).
My earlier Danish connection, which ended up in Nordland, Norway, began with 15th GGrandfather, Peder Jenssøn, born 1480 in Skjeldrup, Denmark; he had a son, 14th GGrandfather, Jens Pederssøn Schjelderup, born 1510, Skjelderup, Hobro, Jylland. Other name variations I came across for this family have been Skjelderup, Skjeldrup, Skielderup; Schjelderup, and/or Schielderup (in Norway). Jens Peterssøn Schjelderup went on to become a Medical Doctor in Røstok in 1544, and was selected by King Christian IV to be the Second Bishop of Bergen, Norway -- ordained on 16 June 1557. I was not able to find Peder Jenssøn's parentage; I guess records didn't go back any earlier.
Regards, Wayne
Hi Wayne
Møllehøj means 'Mill-hill' or the hill with a mill on it.
Here is one of the location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j).
Unfortunately, a windmill was often placed on a hill - so there is quite a few locations with that name.
It makes sense to look in parishes with a location called Møllehøj as families were often name after the location they lived at or near. Due to the Danish naming tradition there would often be several people with the same name in a village - so in order to separate one from another, they were also called by their location, although this wasn't a part of the formal name before in the late 1800-century.
In this case: Peter Rasmussen from the Mill hill - or Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj.
The name was often carried by generations even if they moved away from the location.
/Ellen
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 17 Mar 2015 - 21:25
Hi again - Wayne
Sorry, there is 2 Aage Eduard Møller - the other one fits better:
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv (http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2105417&searchname=polit_adv)
/Ellen
Hi,
I was just reviewing earlier responses, and have a question about the Police report which turned out to be recording Aage Eduard coming to Copenhagen, not departing from it. Obviously, that document was the one that got me started, and is much better reproduced herein; I see there is an abbreviated city listed in the Fodested (Spelling?), looks like Copenhagen; also, regarding the notation that he arrived ("fra") from Christiana, or is from there? Is he at Vesterbrogode? I'm confused (not unusual I guess); is the Jensen name meaningful?
I do remain convinced that Peter Rasmussen Møllehoj is our man, given the ages, the profession, the destination and the Rasmussen connection; i.e., that is who he went to live with, and immediately go to work as a butter-maker. The 1895 vs. 1900 Census-taker use of "Jewell Junction," as differently recorded than Ellsworth (1895) is not a problem as they are so close -- 2 - 3 Kms, and the 1895 Census was state-sponsored, while the 1900 Census was a Federal Census; the Møllehoj reference in his departure to "Jewell Junction" corresponds with the 1889 departure records to "Jewell Junction" of the Rasmus Rasmussen family. Of course, that was the family he was living with, and working for (?) in 1895. The other two "Peter Millers" who had arrived in Hamilton County, Iowa in 1871 apparently had Rasmussen family connections as well, e.g., living with them.
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 21 Mar 2015 - 17:33
Hi Wayne
Møllehøj means 'Mill-hill' or the hill with a mill on it.
Here is one of the location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j).
Unfortunately, a windmill was often placed on a hill - so there is quite a few locations with that name.
It makes sense to look in parishes with a location called Møllehøj as families were often name after the location they lived at or near. Due to the Danish naming tradition there would often be several people with the same name in a village - so in order to separate one from another, they were also called by their location, although this wasn't a part of the formal name before in the late 1800-century.
In this case: Peter Rasmussen from the Mill hill - or Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj.
The name was often carried by generations even if they moved away from the location.
/Ellen
Thanks Ellen, so it does make good sense, the same was the case in Norway -- my great-grand parents did not use the Danielsen Surname when the departed for the US in 1869, they used as their surnames Vøg or (Waag). And in Germany -- the wife's maiden name was Obländer, meaning Oberlander -- i.e., coming from the hills or mountains. You talk about a time-consuming effort checking departure records!!!!
Regards, Wayne
Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 21 Mar 2015 - 17:33
Hi Wayne
Møllehøj means 'Mill-hill' or the hill with a mill on it.
Here is one of the location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B8lleh%C3%B8j).
Unfortunately, a windmill was often placed on a hill - so there is quite a few locations with that name.
It makes sense to look in parishes with a location called Møllehøj as families were often name after the location they lived at or near. Due to the Danish naming tradition there would often be several people with the same name in a village - so in order to separate one from another, they were also called by their location, although this wasn't a part of the formal name before in the late 1800-century.
In this case: Peter Rasmussen from the Mill hill - or Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj.
The name was often carried by generations even if they moved away from the location.
/Ellen
Hi Ellen,
Considering Scandinavian naming patterns I am aware from my earlier genealogy research in Denmark, Sweden and Norway, I wonder whether the naming of my mother -- Peter Miller's First Born in June 1898, might provide a potential lead if records on a potential Peter are ultimately found that can't otherwise be associated with him, such as a name of a grandmother, a favorite aunt, etc. Admittedly a shot in the dark; mother was named: Emma Pauline Frederica Miller. The second girl born was simply named: Cora, later expanded to Corrine; he fathered six girls, no sons.
Regards, Wayne
Hi,
Now that we have apparently hit some walls, I'm going to try using an assumption, that Peter Rasmussen Mollehoj knew (was related to?) the Rasmus Rasmussen family he was leaving Denmark to live and work with in 1894. The departure record shows "Jewell Junction," where the Rasmussen is located, as his destination. That seems to be more than just a coincidence. Given that we have no confirmable birthplace for Peter, the question arises whether we can safely assume that he may have been born in the area of the the Rasmus Rasmussen family, who left Denmark in 1889 for Jewell Junction, Ellsworth Township, Hamilton County, Iowa.
Based on the Rasmus Rasmussen Family records created when they left, we know Rasmus was born in Hornum in 1834; his wife Karen Marie Poulsen , was born in Skjol, in 1833. Based on the their children's records, we know they continued living in Hornum, as Rasmine Johanne was born there in 1869; Anton Rasmussen was born 31 May 1871 in Horning, Hornum; was schooled in Bjerge, Denmark (from his 1949 Obituary). Anton was listed as "Head of Household" (a farmer) in the 1900 Federal Census; his parents were living with him. His Obituary indicated that he was a farmer in the Jewell Junction area until he retired in 1934, except for "... seven years when he was in the creamery business;" it's unknown if he only ran it, or was himself a trained butter-maker as well.
Obviously, Peter Rasmussen Mollehoj did not go to that Rasmussen farm (creamery) in May 1894, as he went to, and lived with Steven Nelson – "Head of Household," whose wife was named "Mine (Minne)," more than likely she was Rasmine Johanne Rasmussen – name and age matches; daughter of Rasmus and Karen Marie, who lived there as well with son Anton Rasmussen.
My Peter appears to begun working in his trade immediately upon arriving, as by mid-1895 he had been acknowledged for making "Best Butter" (lowest butter fat) by a multistate creamery association, an award I saw while researching "buttermakers" in trade magazines in 2002 or 2003, the article showed him as being in Ellsworth, Iowa. (I did not keep a copy as it had been insisted by a family member that he had arrived in Minnesota directly from Denmark.) Peter Miller left for Stearns County, Minnesota in the fall or winter of 1895, as he took over a creamery there in March 1896.
Between the 1895 Iowa State Census, and the 1900 Federal Census, Rasmus and Karen had moved on with Anton, from the Steven Nelson farm, establishing their own farm, as that is where they appear in 1900, with Anton designated "Head of Household." It was reportedly close by, but north of Ellsworth.
Regards, Wayne
Hi,
It appears that after three weeks of trying just about everything there is to try, it now appears to be the case that my dear old Peter Rasmussen Møllehøj is not to be found. I want to thank everyone who assisted, i.e., who expended valuable time trying to find a person who appears to not be findable. You all gave me outstanding help, but, like our last effort in 2012 (chasing Peter Madsen Marius Møller in Copenhagen, who ended up having lived on in Copenhagen, never leaving), my Peter Miller is apparently not to be found.
Thank you al so much. Wayne S. Johnson