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Hello, I am looking for Jens Pedersen, who had two children with Sarah (Sally) Fawcett in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada, 1936-1938.  Things went bad and Jens returned to Denmark and sent a divorce decree to my grandmother. 
My mother would like to know more about him and her heritage, but she was young when he left and doesn't remember much.  He did have a brother Peter, who, with his wife Edith, had two daughters, and they lived in various places in Ontario, Canada. 
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Carmela

Jens Pedersen is probably the most common name in Denmark - so I don't think we can do much from Danish site yet.

Any information in Canadian censuses - birthplace, date of birth - any immigration papers ?

If he lived in Denmark after 1968 he should be in the National Personal Register. But it demands at least birthdate and -place.

Oh boy, that's what I thought.  I was hoping the details would help out though.  I have searched on Ancestry to no avail.  But I'll just keep at it.  Thanks for responding anyway.

Carmela

Hi Carmela

Maybe You could try to look after the marriage certificat - and immigration in state where lived ?

Do You have the divorse decree - it could tell where he lived in Denmark

Hi Carmela

Do you have the exact birthdate of your grandfather? Or at least the year of birth?
Or any further information on his brother Peter?
Was both he and his wife Edith born in Denmark?

/Ellen

Hi Ellen, these are all good questions but unfortunately I have no answers.  I only know what I already shared.  I would assume that he was older than my grandmother, although my mother isn't sure about that.  I know that Peter lived in Toronto Ontario for years, as he is on voter lists, and last is seen in Markdale Ontario in 1972, I believe.  I do know that my grandmothers family moved to Ontario from Saskatchewan probably in 1935. 

Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 21 Dec 2014 - 10:04
Hi Carmela

Do you have the exact birthdate of your grandfather? Or at least the year of birth?
Or any further information on his brother Peter?
Was both he and his wife Edith born in Denmark?

/Ellen

Hi Carmela

I've found this record on ancestry:

Military record – Drafted 5th June 1918, Manitoba
Jens Pedersen
Adress: Moose Harn P.O, Manitoba, Canada
Birth: 17. sep. 1893, Horsens, Denmark

Next of Kin:
Peter Pedersen (brother)
Alida P.O., Sask., Canada

Is it possible that Sally's family came from Alida?

Regards
Ellen

Hi Carmela

What year was your grandmother born in?
And who is her parents?

/Ellen

Hi Ellen,
My grandmother's line I have traced quite a ways back.  She was born in 1914 in Michigan, but her family moved to Saskatchewan in 1916.  They moved to Ontario in the early to mid 1930s, and her first child was born in 1936.  It is some time in those early to mid 1930s that she met, married (possibly) and had two children with Jens.  My mother remembers her ripping up the divorce decree, which was in Danish.
It is possible that they met in Manitoba, but I have no way of knowing.  Nothing relating to the man any longer exists with my family.  I did see that record on Ancestry, and bookmarked it as it is promising, but if it were him, he would have been much older than my grandma.  My mother does not know of any military service either.
Thank you for your help!

Carmela

Citat fra: Ellen Steen-Petersen [11355] Dato 23 Dec 2014 - 15:42
Hi Carmela

What year was your grandmother born in?
And who is her parents?

/Ellen

Really?  Nobody with ties to a deceased Jens Pedersen who went to Canada in the 1900s and returned very disgruntled and angry?  Obtained a divorce and sent a copy to Sarah in Ontario?  No stories or photos of his son and daughter?
Left behind his brother Peter who was married to Edith with 2 daughters and lived in Ontario as late as the 1970s?

Nothing rings a bell with anyone?  It would be old family myth by now I would think.  The sad story of Jens in Ontario Canada......

Hi Camela,

and happy new year first of all...

If we are to crack this one, you need to provide us with some more info! Do you have informations from the Canadian archives on the marriage and birth records on the two children from 1936 - 1938 ? Often there will be vital information on e.g exact name, birth date, or place of origin.... and typically mnore informations than written on any certificate.

With a common name like Jens Pedersen we should preferably know which town he comes from. Once we have this, it will be a 10 minute job to trace him. Things should all be available online in digital form, free of charge, available for everyone....

best regards

Bjørn

Happy New Year Mr. Marcher,

and thank you for responding to me.  Actually to everyone who has responded, I am very grateful.  I have recently requested a search from the Ontario archives for marriage info.  It is difficult with no family info.  I'll post back if I get anything helpful.

Thanks again,

Carmela

Citat fra: Bjørn Marcher [833] Dato 03 Jan 2015 - 12:08
Hi Camela,

and happy new year first of all...

If we are to crack this one, you need to provide us with some more info! Do you have informations from the Canadian archives on the marriage and birth records on the two children from 1936 - 1938 ? Often there will be vital information on e.g exact name, birth date, or place of origin.... and typically mnore informations than written on any certificate.

With a common name like Jens Pedersen we should preferably know which town he comes from. Once we have this, it will be a 10 minute job to trace him. Things should all be available online in digital form, free of charge, available for everyone....

best regards

Bjørn

Hello all,
I finally have information on my biological grandfather.  I hope someone can help me learn more about him.  His full name was Jens Johan Pedersen.  He was born in 1906, and emigrated to Canada from Nordby (or Vardby), Louise, Denmark.  His father was Jacob Pedersen, and his mother's name was Martena Smakar, as written on the marriage certificate.  He listed a friend in Ottawa, Canada as a Jens Kunder.

Thank you,

Carmela

Citat fra: Carmela [45835] Dato 19 Sep 2017 - 00:28
Hello all,
I finally have information on my biological grandfather.  I hope someone can help me learn more about him.  His full name was Jens Johan Pedersen.  He was born in 1906, and emigrated to Canada from Nordby, Louise, Denmark.  His father was Jacob Pedersen, and his mother's name was Martena Smakar, as written on the marriage certificate, or Sneaker, as from some other research.  He listed a friend in Ottawa, Canada as a Jens Kunder.  He may have remarried, and died in Denmark, in 1983.

Thank you,

Carmela

edited at 8:26pm

Dear Camela,

Here he is, on the island of Samsø

http://www.kefotos.dk/cliche_tng/getperson.php?personID=I012306&tree=tree1

The name Snedker means Joiner (a craftsman)


Greetings, Inge

And here you have an entry for his birth and baptism in Nordby, Samsø, Holbæk 1906


His father is listed as a sailor

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167002,28041099


Inge

Birth 13 Oct. 1906, and christening 30 Dec. 1906 of Jens Johan Pedersen in Nordby on the island of Samsø:

https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167002,28041099 - No 9

Parents: Sailor/mariner Jakob Andreas Pedersen, and wife Martine Jørgine Pedersen née Snedker, 24 y, Nordby.

Witnesses: Maid Kirstine Pedersen, maid Johanne Johnsen, farm owner Kristian Kornmaaler,
and bachelor Jørgen Peder Snedker, all of Nordby, and farm owner Søren Thunbo Kræmmer of Moesgaard.

At the time of the 1906 census (1 Feb. 1906), Jakob Andreas and Martine Jørgine were living with his parents:

Holbæk, Samsø, Nordby, , Nordby 140.a, 3277356, FT-1906, S0594
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     
Peder Pedersen     46     11-9-1859 1859     Gift      Husfader      Skipper        
Mette Pedersen     42     10-2-1863 1863     Gift      Husmoder              
Kirstine M. Pedersen     17     2-1-1889 1889     Ugift      Barn              
Axel Pedersen     11     24-10-1894 1894     Ugift      Barn              
Jakob Andreas Pedersen     25     12-5-1880 1880     Gift      Søn      Styrmand        
Martine Jørgine Pedersen     23     19-7-1882 1882     Gift      Husmoderens medhjælper              
Ane Dorthe Skrædder     81     24-1-1825 1825     Enke      Husmoderens moder  

They were married 18 Jan. 1906: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167002,28041218 - No 2

Holbæk, Samsø, Nordby, Nordby, et Hus, 38, FT-1890, B4896
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Jørgen Clemmensen (Snedker)     70     Gift      Snedker, Husfader            Nordby  
Maren Clemmensen (Gyes)     68     Gift      Hans Kone            Nordby  
Clemmen Snedker     38     Gift      Indsidder, Snedker            Nordby  
Margrethe Moesgaard     37     Gift      Hans Kone            Nordby  
Dorthe Marie Snedker     13     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  
Johanne Petrine Snedker     10     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  
Martine Jørgine Snedker     7     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  
Michel Snedker     6     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  
Jørgen Peter Snedker     2     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby

Holbæk, Samsø, Nordby, Nordby, et Hus, 8, FT-1890, B4896
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Hans Jensen Skræder     54     Gift      Parcellist, Husfader            Nordby  
Ane Dorthe Olesen Degn     65     Gift      Hans Kone            Nordby  
Jacob Andreas Pedersen     9     Ugift      Plejebarn [foster child]           Nordby

His parents are here:

Holbæk, Samsø, Nordby, Nordby, et Hus, 90, FT-1890, B4896
Name:     Age:     Marital status:     Position in household:     Occupation:     Birth place:
Peder Pedersen     30     Gift      Baadfører, midlertidig fraværende            Nordby  
Mette Beyer     26     Gift      Hans Kone            Nordby  
Jens Johan Pedersen     7     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  
Kirstine Marie Pedersen     1     Ugift      Deres Børn            Nordby  

Church records: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/geo/geo-collection/5

Indexed censuses: http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp and https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/search/

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Danish_Genealogical_Word_List



Jens Johan Pedersen's 2nd marriage 18 Jul. 1954: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167005,28041895 - No 3

Divorced farm owner Jens Johan Pedersen of Sølyst, Nordby parish, Samsø ....
Married 1st time to Sarah Janette née Fawcett. Marriage annulled by royal permission of 24 Jan. 1952.

Best regards,
Inger Toudal

Well that's it I guess.  Thank you both for your help.  At least I can tell my mother a bit about him. 

One more question:  is it possible to see a death certificate for cause of death?

Thanks again,

Carmela

No not yet .
He died in 1983 .

http://www.kefotos.dk/cliche_tng/getperson.php?personID=I012306&tree=tree1

Jens Johan Pedersen[1]
1906 - 1983



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Født
13 okt. 1906
Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A   [1]
Køn
Mand

Død - DEAD
30 mar. 1983
Nordby S. Samsø Holbæk A.  
Person-ID
I012306
Samsinger




Far
Jakob Andreas Pedersen,   f. 12 maj 1880, Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A ,   d. 8 sep. 1963, Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A  
Mor
Martine Jørgine Snedker,   f. 19 jul. 1882, Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A ,   d. 1 feb. 1934, Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A  
Gift
18 jan. 1906
Nordby Samsø Holbæk A  
Familie-ID
F08980
Gruppeskema




Familie 1
Saqra Janette Fawcelt
Familie-ID
F08978
Gruppeskema




Familie 2
Julie Emilie Charlotte Jensen,   f. 22 aug. 1915, Ginnerup S Randers A  
Gift
18 jul. 1954
Nordby Samsø Holbæk A   [1]
Børn

1. Aksel Marius Pedersen,   f. 1 nov. 1954, Petrinedal Nordby S Samsø Holbæk A ,   d. 27 nov. 1998, Nordby S. Samsø Holbæk A.
Familie-ID
F08979
Gruppeskema

The church book form Nordby is only accessible to 1973.

I found this on the Database Samsoeroots.dk.

http://kefotos.dk/cliche_gallery2/index.php/nordby_kirkegaard/IMG_4498

Census 1921 Nordby:

http://www.samsoeroots.dk/nordby/nordbyft1921.pdf

22 Nordby Jakob A Pedersen M 2-5-1880 Nordby Husfader Skipper   
  22 Nordby Martine Pedersen K 19-7-1882 Nordby Husfader     
22 Nordby Jens J Pedersen M 10-10-1906 Nordby     
22 Nordby Marinus Pedersen M 14-9-1907 Nordby Barn     
22 Nordby Peter Pedersen M 14-10-1909 Nordby Barn     
22 Nordby Aksel Pedersen M 13-1-1912 Nordby Barn     
22 Nordby Erna Pedersen K 13-12-1917 Nordby Barn     



Hanne

Thank you to everyone!  I have now filled out my family tree, and my mother was overwhelmed by all the information.

Here's a photo of Jens Johan Pedersen at the age of 14: https://arkiv.dk/vis/3874021

It was taken in connection with his confirmation 3 Oct. 1920:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167003,28041399 - No 8

Jens Johan Pedersen's son of 2nd marriage Aksel Marinus Pedersen, born 1 Nov. 1954, christened 26 Dec. 1954:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17125376#167005,28041778 - No 3

Photo of Peter Pedersen (b. 1909) 30 Sep. 1923: https://arkiv.dk/vis/3874323

Maybe you can find more relatives here: https://arkiv.dk/soeg?searchstring=nordby+sams%C3%B8

School: https://arkiv.dk/soeg?searchstring=%22nordby+skole%22+sams%C3%B8

Confirmation: https://arkiv.dk/soeg?searchstring=nordby+sams%C3%B8+konfirmation

Jens Johan's father Jakob Andreas Pedersen, b. 1880, is supposedly on this photo: https://arkiv.dk/vis/3894411
- if it's him, the year is wrong. He wouldn't have been attending school in 1884.

Best regards,
Inger

Thank you, Inger, the photos were amazing.  I am truly grateful for everyone's help.

Carmela

I've decided to post again - I hope this is possible:

I have been looking through the arkiv.dk site, at photos from Nordby Samso.  I have been wondering if anyone has access to photos of my newly found family members, or perhaps at least school photos or obituaries of their deaths:  Jens Johan Pedersen and his son Aksel Marius Pedersen.  There is a photo of Jens' confirmation, but not of Aksel's.  I am guessing his would have been in about 1968.  Jens died in 1983 and Aksel died in 1998, unfortunately.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Carmela

I think it would be a good idea to contact the local archives, Samsø Egnsarkiv: http://www.samsøegnsarkiv.dk/ (http://www.xn--samsegnsarkiv-enb.dk/)

I'm sure they have more photos than those published on arkiv.dk, and they have local newspapers etc.

The opening hours are Thursdays 13:00 - 17:00, but you could send them an e-mail: http://www.samsøegnsarkiv.dk/contact-us (http://www.xn--samsegnsarkiv-enb.dk/contact-us)

Best regards,
Inger

- or Slægts- og Lokalhistorisk Forening Samsø: http://www.genealogy-samsoe.dk/UKintro.asp

http://www.genealogy-samsoe.dk/Bestyrelsen.asp

Best regards,
Inger

Just to update,

I contacted the samso archive on the seventh, and they at first responded that they would look for photos, but they have not gotten back to me since.  Do you know the names of newspapers that I may contact directly, in order to search at least for obituaries of Jens and his son Aksel?

Thank you,

Carmela

According to http://www.kefotos.dk/cliche_tng/getperson.php?personID=I012306&tree=tree1

obituaries for Jens Johan Pedersen were published in Kalundborg Folkeblad 5 Apr. 1954, and Holbæk Amts Venstreblad 5. Apr. 1954.

These newspapers don't exist anymore. Both have been incorporated into Nordvestnyt: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordvestnyt

Best regards,
Inger

Thank you, Inger.  I noticed that Samsoeroots now has my mother listed, so that's interesting.

I read the write-up on Jens that seems to be an obituary, and according to google translates, 'tre sonner' means 'three sons'.  Can anyone confirm that Jens had two other sons?  This is not something I had even thought of - that there may have been other children.  This would mean there are potentially cousins!!!  Meanwhile I will check again on arkiv.dk for photos of other Pedersens in Nordby.

Thank you Inger, for all your help!

Hello Carmela

Jens had 2 stepsons, that must be why it says "three sons".

Hardy Oskar Hansen 1939-2007: http://www.kefotos.dk/cliche_tng/getperson.php?personID=I010204&tree=tree1

Hardy's confirmation, number 2: http://ao.salldata.dk/osd_vis.php?bsid=167005&side=112
At this time, april 1954, the mother Julie was a housekeeper at farmer Jakob Andreas Pedersen's, Sølyst, Nordby Mark - the father of Jens.

Confirmation of the younger stepson here, number 8 (he might be living so I will not write his name): http://ao.salldata.dk/osd_vis.php?bsid=167006&side=34
Maybe this is him: https://nuwber.dk/person/1954005

Thank you Henrik for clearing that up.  Too bad, it would have been interesting if they were related but thats the way it goes.  Still, I will add them to my family tree too, for respectfulness.

For anyone interested, I have done dna tests through AncestryDNA (where I have my family tree), and 23andme, as well as FamilyTree DNA.

Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 20 Sep 2017 - 09:37

Here's a photo of Jens Johan Pedersen at the age of 14: https://arkiv.dk/vis/3874021

Hi Inger.  Is that website for all of Denmark or just Samsoe?

It's a website for local archives in Denmark: https://arkiv.dk/

Best regards,
Inger

Thank you.  I am going to add that to my list of sites for my Denmark research.  Love seeing the old photos.

It's a great site, I look through it often, and have noted many possible relatives with it.

Hello all,

It's been a few months, and, while I am sure of the marriage between my grandmother and Jens, I cannot seem to connect with any people who can confirm or elaborate with further info. 

I am also wondering - are Danes even allowed to do DNA testing?  Because all of my matches are pretty much British/Scottish/
Irish, with a minimum of Scandinavian.  I really should be around 25% Scandinavian, but I haven't found the matches to support that.  Which is why I'm wondering....

DNA testing is fully legal in Denmark, but not that popular yet, but I am working on it  ;)

Most Danes test with FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage.

Kind regards
Anders

Thanks for the info Anders,  I have now added MyHeritage to the list of DNA companies I've tested at. 

Regards,
Carmela

I was looking through arkiv.dk this morning and came across a photo someone uploaded of Aksel Marinus Pedersen.  He is my mother's half-brother through their father Jens Johan Pedersen.

Thank you!  It is nice to have at least a photo, though to know any of them would have been better, of course.

Once again,  thank you very much for all your help in tracing this previously unknown side of my family - and myself, I greatly appreciate everyone's efforts.

Best regards,

Carmela