My ggg gm is Ellen Larsdatter (b. 26 Oct 1799 in Troense Bregninge Sogn, Sunds Herred, Svendbor Amt - I hope I have done this correctly, if not, I apologize) and her parents are Lars Carstensen & Karen Pedersdatter. I would like to know how to find out the parents of Lars and Karen; I'm assuming they come from the same place as where their daughter Ellen was born. I would like to know their marriage date and where they were married and where they came from and of course their parents, and if possible, any information on their parents. Thank you for any help. Anne-Lise
Are you sure of "Carstensen" ?
There is just one girl aged 1 in the 1801 census in Bregninge parish named Ellen Larsdatter. Her parents are
Lars Krestensen and Karen Pedersdatter:
All persons in the household
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense Nederste Bye, , Fam.no: 252, FT-1801, b3573
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
RecNo: 1117 Lars Krestensen 30 Gift mand inderste, lever af søefart, er søelimitt
RecNo: 1118 Karen Pedersdatter 36 Gift hans kone [his wife]
RecNo: 1119 Anne Malene Larsdatter 4 Ugift deres børn [their children]
RecNo: 1120 Chresten Larsen 2 Ugift deres børn
RecNo: 1121 Ellen Larsdatter 1 Ugift deres børn
Lars Krestensen/Chrestensen/Christensen is a sailor, born around 1771
Karen Pedersdatter born around 1765
Hi,
This could be the parents
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense Bye, 26de, 30, FT-1787, B3279
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Karsten Nicolaisen 54 Gift Hosbond Stoder?? Foged
Ane Rasmusdatter 55 Gift Madmoder
Erich Carstensen 17 Ugift Sønner af 1ste?? ægteskab
Lars Carstensen 14 Ugift Sønner af 1ste?? ægteskab
Morten Erichsen 35 Gift Konens søn af 1ste ægteskab Søefarende
Ane Marie Persdatter?? 26 Gift Sønnens?? Kone
Ane Margrete Mortensdatter 1 Ugift Sønne Datter
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Bregninge, 3die Familie, 180, FT-1787, B3279
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peder Jensen 49 Gift Hosbond Gaardmand
Ane Hansdatter 27 Gift Madmoder
Lars Pedersen 15 Ugift Søn af 1ste ægteskab
Nils [Pedersen] 11 Ugift dito [Søn] af samme [1ste ægteskab]
Karen Pedersdatter 20 Ugift Datter af samme [1ste ægteskab]
Hans Pedersen 2 Ugift Søn af 2det ægteskab
Rasmus Nielsen 22 Ugift Tieneste Karl
Many regards
Ib
I have Lars Karstensen and Karen Pedersdatter married in 1796, Trinity VIII. The image is new version of 1773-1813, opslag (lookup) 70, right side.
The 1801 census deserves a good look at the original.
With luck you will find Ellen's confirmation in 1813 or 1814, with at least the father's name.
Ellen may already have been working in another parish at confirmation time, as I don't see her confirmation in Bregninge in 1814-1818 (opslag 61-65 of 1813-1820).
It seems there's a misreading of Lars' patonymic in the transcribed 1801 census at ddd.dda.dk:
FT-1801: http://www.sa.dk/ao/billedviser?bsid=25741#25741,2890314 - Opslag 33, bottom of page.
I read Lars Karstensen.
Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Karen Pedersdatter dies in Dec 1861. (1860-1875 Bregninge, Sunds, Svendborg new version ops 328). She is listed as being 100 years old.
I believe this is her in the 1850 census and that she is with her son Anders Larsen. Her birth place is listed as Bjerreby.
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, , 56, FT-1850, C2661
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christian Rasmussen 54 Gift Kusk For Kammerherre Juel Paa Valdemar Slot Aabenraa
Maren Pedersdatter 46 Gift Kone Hesselager
Jørgen Mortensen 81 Enkemand Almisselem Bregninge/tåsinge
Cathrine Pedersen 47 Ugift Daglejerske Landet
Peder Andersen 13 Ugift Søn Bregninge/tåsinge
Anders Larsen 48 Gift Arbejdsmand Bregninge/tåsinge
Karen Christensen 33 Gift Kone Bregninge/tåsinge
Jens Peder Larsen 15 Ugift Søn København
Lars Larsen 4 Ugift Søn Bregninge/tåsinge
Rasmus Larsen 1 Ugift Søn Bregninge/tåsinge
Karen Pedersdatter 85 Enke Almisselem Bjerreby
Hans Madsen 78 Gift Blegmand Ærø
Johanne Rasmusdatter 48 Gift Kone Svendborg
This could be Karen Pedersdatter in 1787:
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Svendborg, Sunds, Bjerreby, Waaroe Bye, 2den, 103, FT-1787, B3278
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Mikel Hansen 42 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Anne Pedersdatter 43 Gift Madmoder
Rasmus Christensen 21 Ugift hendes Søn af første Egteskab
Christen 14 Ugift Børn af sidste Egteskab
Hans 10 Ugift Børn af sidste Egteskab
Karen Pedersdatter 22 Ugift Tienestepige (hired girl)
In 8-9 years she could easily take a position in the neighboring parish, Bregninge.
Marriage 26 Jun. 1796 in Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1790-1813, opslag 23:
1796, 5te Trinit. Lars Karstensen fa Troense, og Karen Peders Datt. fra Wem-
menis. Forlov: den unge Hans Trane og og Peder Væver i Nyebye.
Vemmenæs is a place name in Bjerreby parish.
Ellen's baptism is on opslag 30 in the above church book, Anne Malene b. 20 Aug. 1796 on opslag 17,
and Chresten b. 11 Jun. 1798 on opslag 20.
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, , 75, FT-1834, B1055
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation:
Lars Carstesen 64 Gift Indsidder & Tømmermand
Karen Pedersdatter 71 Gift Kone
Laurine Pedersdatter 16 Ugift Plejebarn
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, 77, et familiehuus, 160-F4, FT-1840, B1867
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation:
Lars Carstensen 70 Gift Inderste og dagleier
Karen Pedersdatter 76 Gift Hans kone
Laurine Pedersen 22 Ugift deres Pleiebørn
Wilhelm Larsen 24 Ugift deres Pleiebørn
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense, Et familiehus, 9, FT-1845, B1552
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
- - - - -
Karen Petersdatter 81 enke Inderste / Almisselem / Håndarb. Bjerreby, Svendborg amt
Laurine Pedersdatter 26 ugift Hendes datters datter [Karen Petersdatter] Bregninge (Taasinge) sogn
- - - - -
Svendborg, Sunds, Bregninge (Taasinge), Troense By, et Huus, 51, FT-1855, C0755
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
- - - - -
Anders Larsen* 53 Gift Fisker, Huusfader Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Karen Petersen 38 Gift Hans Kone Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Jens Pet. Larsen 19 Ugift Deres Børn, Sømand Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Johanne Siberg 15 Ugift Deres Børn, Steddatter Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Lars Andersen 9 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Rasmus Larsen 6 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Agnette Larsen 3 Ugift Deres Børn Her i Sognet [Bregninge/Taasinge]
Karen Pedersdatter 90 Enke Huusfaderens Moder, forsørges af Fattigvæsnet Bjerreby, Svendborg Amt
* born 21 Apr. 1802 (opslag 34)
Best regards,
Inger T.
According to the censuses, Lars Carstensen should be born around 1771 or 1772
Carsten Nicolaisen's son Lars Andersen was baptized Dom. Invoca. [20 Feb.] 1774 (Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1773-1813, Opslag 7, left page).
Carsten Nicolaisen's wife in Troense, 36 y old, was buried in Sep. 1775 (same church book, Opslag 81, left page). Ane Rasmusdatter is his 2nd wife.
There's no church book in Bregninge between 1733 and 1773, so no way to check, if Carsten Nicolaisen had an older son named Lars.
Lars Carstensen died 26 Mar. 1842. According to the death record, he was 75 yeas old (Bregninge (Ny udgave), 1834-1843, Opslag 169, No 7).
Age in censuses and church books are not necessarily correct.
His wife could be here:
1765, Fest. Omn. Sanct: [1 Nov.] Peder Haars ?? af Søebye D: Karen (Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1698-1776, Opslag 139, left page, bottom).
Her confirmation 1780: Ped: Haar Dat. Karen 14 (Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1771-1814, opslag 90, left page).
Best regards,
Inger T.
Correction:
1765, Fest. Omn. Sanct: [1 Nov.] Peder Haars Pb: [Pigebarn] af Søebye k: [kaldet] Karen
(Bjerreby (Ny udgave), 1698-1776, Opslag 139, left page, bottom).
At the confirmation 1780, Peder Haar's daughter Karen is also of Søby.
Inger T.
This site has detailed information about Peder Haar:
http://www.familiekroeniken.dk/site/person.asp?person=41410 (http://www.familiekroeniken.dk/site/person.asp?person=41410)