I found a record that shows that my great, great, great grandparents were married at St. Peder, Naestved, Praesto, Denmark on September 26th, 1865.
Alfred Ernest Hoffman 1843
Clara Catarine Schmidt Tychsen 1844
Batch#M223685
File#50688
I can't seem to find any other information on them other than that their children were born in Schleswig Holstein and Flensburg, Germany. (I think) I also know the general time that they came to America.
I don't know if they were originally from Denmark or how they happened to be married in this church.
Was it a general practice to let just anyone be married in the church or did you have to be a member or have family connected to the church?
Any thoughts would be much appreciated as I've hit another brick wall.
Thank you,
Michelle
The marriage (attached, Næstved 1854-1867 Opslag 58) shows Alfred was from Flensbørg, and Clara from Næstved, so they probably departed for his home. Unfortunately, those records are not online.
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Wow, thank you so much!
Can you tell what the word before Alfred is? I can't make that out. So, if Clara was from Naestved, would there be a way to find out more about her? Maybe who her parents were or if she was born or christened there?
You are amazing. I've been looking for information on them for 9 years. Until last night, I had no clue.
I truly appreciate your help.
Michelle
Oh gosh, I just realized that the right side of the page goes with the left. I can't decipher that side of the page either.
Is it possible to tell me what it says?
Thanks again,
Michelle
Citat fra: Michelle Clifton Dato 05 Feb 2011 - 21:54
Can you tell what the word before Alfred is? I can't make that out. Michelle
I think it's kjøbmand. I don't read Danish but an online translator says = Merchant, so maybe a travel :)ing salesman who met Clara there?
Thank you again. I appreciate your help. Maybe someone will come along and decipher the whole passage for me.
A merchant/traveling salesman would make sense with the other information that I do know about him.
Thank you,
Michelle
This is probably Clara in the 1845 Census:
All persons in the household
Südtondern, , Christian Albrechts Koog, Neuer Christian Albrechts Kog, , Hofstelle, 42, FT-1845
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Baltzer Schmidt Tychsen 33 Verheir. Pächter der Hofstelle Chr. Albr. Kog
Maria Christina Bonnichsen 32 Verheir. Ehefrau Neukirchen
Maria Sophia Schmidt Tychsen 6 Unverheir. Kind Chr. Albr. Kog
Casparus 4 Unverheir. Kind Chr. Albr. Kog
Jacob 2 Unverheir. Kind Chr. Albr. Kog
Clara Catharina 1 Unverheir. Kind Chr. Albr. Kog
Heinr. Fr. Feddersen 12 Unverheir. Pflegesohn Deetzbüll
Maren Jannichsen 74 Witwe Kostgängerin Neukirchen
Esther Maria Ohlsen 17 Unverheir. Dienstmagd Neukirchen
Anna Margaretha Jessen 18 Unverheir. Dienstmagd Kleiseerkog
Johann Ebsen 25 Unverheir. Dienstknecht Fahretoft
Boy Petersen 19 Unverheir. Dienstknecht Emmelsbüll
Peter Lorenzen 17 Unverheir. Dienstknecht Marienkog
Peter Christiansen 46 Unverheir. Korndrescher Neukirchen
Matth. Truelsen Hansen 41 Unverheir. Korndrescher ..........skoog??
Christian Albrechts Koog is in Galmsbüll parish in Germany not very far from Flensburg.
Google Maps: http://xrl.us/bihh9b
Brian
Oh my gosh Brian, those name totally jive with the family history information that I already have.
I have looked and looked for all of these years. We even had to leave the information out of a book that has been written.
I'm thrilled. I think I'm actually going to cry!
I'm so grateful to you and Homer for ya'lls help!
Michelle
Here is Alfred in the 1845 census:
All persons in the household
Præstø, Tybjerg, Næstved Købstad, Nestved Kiøbstad, , Møllegaden, forhuset, 174a, FT-1845
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Andreas Hoffmann 31 Gift trompeter Nestved
Henriette Høeg 38 Gift hans kone Egeborg i Osherred
Andreas Hoffmann 8 Ugift deres børn Slagelse
Urania Hoffmann 6 Ugift deres børn Slagelse
Christian Hoffmann 5 Ugift deres børn Slagelse
Alfred Hoffmann 2 Ugift deres børn Slagelse
Ernst Griis 43 Gift toldbetjendt Aarhuus
Hanne Weisenfeldt 41 Gift hans kone Kjøbenhavn
Ernst Griis 10 Ugift deres børn Kjøbenhavn
Carl Griis 3 Ugift deres børn Nestved
Attached is his birth record from Slagelse, Skt. Peder parish, Slagelse, Sorø 1839-1850 opslag 13.
http://www.sa.dk/ao/SoegeSider/Kirkeboeger.aspx
Brian
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Can someone tell me what the birth record says?
Thank ya'll.
Date of birth
16 March 1843
Full name of the child
Alfred Ernst Hoffmann
Date and place of christening
Baptized in the church 21 July 1843
Name, occupation, and residence of the parents
Trumpeter Johan Andreas Hoffmann of the 4th dragoon regiment's ?th sqadron
and wife Henriette Hoffmann née Høegh in Slagelse.
Name, occupation, and residence of the sponsors:
Madam Ericsen of Næstved carried it, Madam Hoffmann of the same place
stood by; sponsors were chief senior officer Andersen, quartermaster Nielsen,
and trumpeter Frandsen, all from this town.
Brian
No Maria Christina Bonnichsen was born in Neukirchen between 1810 and 1820.
However a Maria Christina Jannichsen was born there 15 January 1814 to Jacob Jannichsen and Maren Jenses. Maren Jannichsen in the census is probably her mother, and Bonnichsen must be a transscription error.
When Jacob Jannichsen and Maren Jenses married 20 July 1810 they were both widowed.
Jacob in the 1803 census with his first wife:
Sydslesvig, , Neukirchen (Südtondern), Süderdeich, , , 14, FT-1803
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Jakob Jannichsen 39 Verheir. Hausvater Hufner
Anna Margreth Jenses 33 Verheir. Dessen Frau
Janke Nissen 9 Sohn der Frau 1ster Ehe
Agatha Hanses 64 Witwe Mutter der Frau Kostgängerin
Maren Jenses in the 1803 census with her first husband:
Sydslesvig, , Neukirchen (Südtondern), Süderdeich, , , 9, FT-1803
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Klaus Christiansen 38 Verheir. Hausvater Hufner
Maren Jenses 32 Verheir. Dessen Frau
Anna Christina Klauses 7 Ihre Kinder
Jens Hansen Klausen 4 Ihre Kinder
Christian Karstensen 78 Witwer Vater des Hausvaters Kostgänger
Martin Karsten Brodersen 20 Unverheir. Dessen Enkel
Christina Anderses 19 Unverheir. Magd
Jacob Jannichsen
* 7 July 1764 to Janke Jensen and Gönke Nissen
† 10 June 1831
Maren Jenses
* 21 October 1771 to Jens Hansen and Ellen Hanses
The parents in the 1803 census living with Marens sister Hanna Maria and her husband Momme Erichsen:
Sydslesvig, , Neukirchen (Südtondern), Süderdeich, , , 16, FT-1803
Name: Age: Marital status: Occupation in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Momme Erichsen 33 Verheir. Hausvater Hufner
Hanna Maria Jenses 25 Verheir. Dessen Frau
Jens Hansen 64 Verheir. Aeltern der Hausfrau Kostgänger
Ell Hanses 63 Verheir. Aeltern der Hausfrau Kostgänger
Galmsbüll parish didn't excist between 1802 and 1891 due to lack of church. The parishioners visited the adjacent parishes.
Brian
Hi Michelle
Are you still interested in information about Alfred Ernst Hoffmann?
Alfred Ernst grand father,(his father with the same name) Johan Ernst Hoffmann, born in 1767 in Sachsen, Germany is my 4x grand father.
In the Danish Library in Flensburg, Germany, I have been given many details about the family, because several of them were soldiers in the Danish army and lived in Flensburg to approximately 1864th.
Alfred Ernst Hoffmann was a merchant in Flensburg and had a great business there. The house still exists, the address is Holm 25, I have a photo, if you are interested?
One of Alfred Ernst brothers, Christian Adolph Hoffmann was a soldier in 1864 and has written a very interesting book about his experiences, it is unfortunately only in Danish, but it is available for free as a pdf. File, that I can send. Alfred is mentioned briefly in the book.
Sincerely Vagn Hoffmann
jvho@tdcadsl.dk
Hallo.
Also try the web.side of Helmut Martensen, Flensburg = www.Adelby.com
Regards
Lise Østerberg Bahr
I don't know if you'll get this...I know your post is quite old now. I'm a descendant of Alfred and Clara (great, great, great grandson). My sister recently undertook a huge project to scan old family pictures that my grandfather had. I don't have much information about them, but it turns out we DO have a few pictures. One of the couple labeled as having been taken in 1865, one of Alfred alone (looking younger than the 1865 photo). There's also one labeled as Alfred's parents...with no names documented.
If this message finds you (or other descendants) feel free to reach out to me for copies.
A picture of Alfred Ernest Hoffman and Clara Schmidt...
Alfred Earnest Hoffman