Hi
I am looking for a birth record in 1849 from Silkeborg. The problem is that these books seem to start 1856. Does anyone know if they exist?
Ian
Strangely enough I think I have found the answer. It looks as though Linå Parish was included with Silkeborg.
Ian
Silkeborg Sogn er et sogn i Silkeborg Provsti (Århus Stift).
Silkeborg Handelsplads blev oprettet i 1846. Her blev Silkeborg Sogn oprettet i 1855 med Linå Sogn som anneks. I 1900 blev Silkeborg købstad, og sognet blev et selvstændigt pastorat. Købstaden hørte geografisk til Gjern Herred i Skanderborg Amt, og dens landdistrikt hørte administrativt til herredet. Ved kommunalreformen i 1970 blev Silkeborg købstad kernen i Silkeborg Kommune.
I Silkeborg Sogn ligger Silkeborg Kirke fra 1877.
Thanks Gitte.
Where would I have to look to find a birth from 1849 In Silkeborg?
The person I am looking for recorded that he was born in Silkeborg.
Ian
Can you give me a name and dates?
Lauritz Hermansen supposedly born 26 Apr 1855 in Silkeborg. But I think he was born in 1849. The same man in my other post.
Ian
nr. 364
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114465#203410,38577162
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415203#7,3125
nr. 12
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415220#23,17651
So he was adopted.
What is his full name. I can't read the last part Trobösse?
Another child
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nr. 154
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415220#25,18845
Frøbøsse
His mother
Married
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61607/images/48619_62021000437_0467-00134?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=7a0a176c8dcb89808d9d7e3eb80d4431&pId=11005737
Thank you Gitte.
I would never have found these records.
Yes thanks.
I have him with his daughter Signe in Them Parish and Almind Parish.
A child
nr. 41 Frøbøsse or Terkelsen
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415220#25,19413
København, København (Staden), Udenbys Klædebo Kvarter, Udenbys Klædebo Kvarter, , 648, FT-1860, D9751
Navn: Alder: Status: Stilling i familien: Erhverv: Fødested:
Peter Anton Martinus Blandt 35 G Qvartermester ved Koppehospitalet Aarhus
Johanne Sophie Blandt 38 G Kone. ...?? ved koppehospitalet Kjøbenhavn
Lovise Amalie Andersen 29 E Gangkone i Koppehospitalet Usserød Kjøbenhavn Amt
Anna Petersen 38 U Gangkone i Koppehospitalet Sverig
Christen Jensen 32 U Portner ved Koppehospitalet Tersløv Sorø Amt
Jens Larsen 37 E Portner ved Koppehospitalet Suserød Bloustrød Sogn
Nicoline Madsen 59 G Kjøkkenkone ved Koppehospitalet Søllinge Svendborg Amt
Magdalene Amalie Torkildsen 30 U ...?? ved Koppehospitalet Kjøbenhavn
Hansine Andrea Wennerstrøm 18 U ...?? ved Koppehospitalet Kjøbenhavn
Hansine Christensen 31 U ...?? ved Koppehospitalet Kjøbenhavn
Maren Elise Andersen 28 U ...?? ved Koppehospitalet Sverig
Thank you again Gitte.
Citat fra: I.M. Dato 15 Jun 2022 - 10:42
So he was adopted.
What is his full name. I can't read the last part Trobösse?
It doesn't say anywhere that he was adopted.
His full name was Laurits Hermann Frobøsse.
Could be his mother Magdalene Amalia Frobøs:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn595/churchlisting141392/opslag15673723 - No 24
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Inger Toudal
Samme mor som jeg har fundet.
12/82. Divorce
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=258413#258413,48192714
Ok thanks.
I thought "Pleiestiftelsen" was for adoptive children.
Citat fra: Gitte Johansen Dato 15 Jun 2022 - 14:00
12/82. Divorce
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=258413#258413,48192714
Great. Thank you.
That answers my query I posted about the marriage transcription. I thought I could read dissolved etc.
More here
12/82
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=258413#258413,48192690
Citat fra: I.M. Dato 15 Jun 2022 - 14:01
I thought "Pleiestiftelsen" was for adoptive children.
Fødselsstiftelsen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B8dselsstiftelsen
- maternity institution where unmarried mothers could give birth anonymously.
1855 Census, Copenhagen, Hjortelængen 158: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid8331582
13105 Amalie Magdalene Terkelsen Female 27 1828 Single
13106 Lauritz Herman Terkelsen Male 6 1849 Single Hendes barn
- 1855 Census: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=120681#120681,17465903
Magdalene Amalia was born out of wedlock. Her mother's surname was Terkelsen.
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Inger
Excellent. Thank you.
Just following on from this post, I am trying to put together a timeline for Lauritz, but I'm not entirely sure of my research (and may have also made some mistakes along the way). If anyone is really bored and looking for something to do (!) I would so appreciate it if you could have a look at the timeline below and confirm if I am on the right track (I have not included any birth facts or information after 1873 as I feel more confident about that).
1850 census
There is a woman by the name of Amalie Magdalene Pertrelsen and her child, Julius Lauretius, who are at chokolade fabrikket (a chocolate factory?) in Copenhagen. Would it be possible that these two are actually Amalie Magdalene Terkelsen / Frøbøsse and her son, Lauritz Herman Frøbøsse? Lauritz would have been around 6 weeks old at the time of the census (the child in this census is 1-year-old), so perhaps I have the wrong people?
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid6810995 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid6810995)
1860 census
Lauritz (Laurentz Terkildsen) is recorded as a foster child at Prindsessegade fh. Prindsensgade. Does anyone know much about this place? Is it just the name of a street or was there a workhouse there (I seem to recall reading something about Our Saviour's workhouse or similar, being located in that area)?
https://ddd.dda.dk/asp/alle_opl_en.asp (https://ddd.dda.dk/asp/alle_opl_en.asp)
1864 confirmation
Lauritz's father is recorded as Anders Holgrd (is this a shortened form of Holdgaard / Holdgård)? I don't imagine Anders is his real father though. I am having difficulty deciphering Lauritz's residence — is it Grøndalsgaard (and is this where Anders is staying also)? Is Grøndalsgaard in Viborg?
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585086#364658,70617455 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585086#364658,70617455) #3
1870 census
I can't find Lauritz anywhere, but I guess he must be in Viborg somewhere. I would really like to know who he is staying with!
The following is information from the moving books. I'm unsure if the 1873 record is a departure or arrival?
1 November 1870
Departure from Kragelund, Viborg.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585086#364661,70617532 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585086#364661,70617532) #45
5 November 1870
Arrival in Svostrup, Viborg.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZX-WJKR (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZX-WJKR) #28
1873
Departure (?) from Kragelund, Viborg.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZX-ZW85 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9ZX-ZW85) #14
Many thanks for your help with this! :)
Not sure about the 1850 Census - the name of the son in the census is Julius, not Laurits.
Navn: Laurentz Terkildsen Køn: M
Alder: 11 Civilstand: Ugift
Stilling i husstanden: ?? Pleiebarn Fødested: Kjøbenhavn
Kildehenvisning: 189 Trossamfund: Lutheran
Kilde: FT-1860 Husstands-/familienr: 2452
Matr.nr/adresse: 3. Sal
Sogn: Christianshavn Kvarter Herred: København (Staden)
Amt: København Stednavn: Prindsessegade fh. Prindsensgade, Matr. 292, Løbe no. 355-357
Indtastningsnr: D6360 Løbenr.: 11763
- you cannot link to search results at ddd.dda.dk
FT-1860: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid14804809 - see Original Source, right page: Lauritz Terkildsen
- as I read it, he is Interimistisk Plejebarn.
- the place is Frelsers Arbejdshus.
As for the confirmation, his mother is unmarried Amalie Magdalene, father is not stated (Barnefaderen ikke angiven).
- Placed as farm boy with Anders Holgaard (Udsat i Tjeneste hos Hmd Anders Holgrd. paa Grøndalsgrd).
Viborg, Hids, Kragelund, Klosterlund, Et Huus, 124, FT-1860, B5393
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Anders Christensen Holdgaard 56 gift Huusmand, Huusfader her i Sognet
Inger Marie Andersdatter 60 gift hans Kone [her i Sognet]
Christen Andersen Holdgaard 31 ugift [deres søn], tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
Birthe Marie Andersen 29 ugift [deres datter], tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
- Kommentarer: Stedet kaldet: 'Grøndalsgaard'
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Inger
Thanks again for your outstanding research skills, Inger. :)
You're right about Lauritz's name being very different in the 1850 Census. The main thing that led me to think it may be him was that one of the people mentioned in that particular census was Ravns Enke, a widower. There is a note on Lauritz's birth record that he and his mother, Amalie, stayed with the widow Ravn when they were discharged from Fødselsstiftelsen in 1850 (although I may not have translated that quite correctly and perhaps Ravn is a common name)!
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415220#23,17651 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415220#23,17651)
The address for widow Ravn in Udsætterprotokollen (Nr. 12) 5 Jan. 1850 is Rigensgade 164 (or 167).
In the 1850 Census 1 Feb. 1850, the address is Rosengade 437.
But the surname of Amalie Magdalene in the 1850 Census is probably Terkelsen (certainly not Pertrelsen).
- the name of the child seems to be Julius Lauritsen.
Age 1 year in the censuses 1787 - 1860 meant between 0 and 1 y. old.
I would say it could be Amalie Magdalene with her child Lauritz Herman, born 22 Dec. 1849.
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Inger
Fantastic. Thanks for clarifying the information, Inger. :)
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 11 Jul 2022 - 14:11
As for the confirmation, his mother is unmarried Amalie Magdalene, father is not stated (Barnefaderen ikke angiven).
- Placed as farm boy with Anders Holgaard (Udsat i Tjeneste hos Hmd Anders Holgrd. paa Grøndalsgrd).
Viborg, Hids, Kragelund, Klosterlund, Et Huus, 124, FT-1860, B5393
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Anders Christensen Holdgaard 56 gift Huusmand, Huusfader her i Sognet
Inger Marie Andersdatter 60 gift hans Kone [her i Sognet]
Christen Andersen Holdgaard 31 ugift [deres søn], tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
Birthe Marie Andersen 29 ugift [deres datter], tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
- Kommentarer: Stedet kaldet: 'Grøndalsgaard'
Just to clarify the above, Anders Holdgaard was living in Klosterlund, Kragelund Parish, Hids, Viborg at the time of the 1860 census, but Laurits worked as a farm boy with Anders in Grøndalsgaard (which appears to be in Aalborg)?
In the 1860 Census for Kragelund parish, it says: Stedet kaldet: 'Grøndalsgaard'
- 'The place called Grøndalsgaard.'
1860 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid8628756
- see Original source, right page, bottom
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Inger
Thanks, Inger. I'm just trying to establish what 'the place called Grøndalsgaard' means as it appears Grøndalsgaard is in Aalborg, but the census shows the family are living in Viborg?
Have you seen this: https://arkiv.dk/vis/2678200
Mvh
Bjarke
This is GOLD! How do you find these things, Bjarke?!
Correct - you find the place name Grøndalsgaard in Aalborg county, but this is another Grøndalsgaard.
In the 1860 Census that I referred to, it says Grøndalsgaard: Et Huus - so it was not a farm at that time.
Actually, the house was situated in Engesvang school district, Kragelund parish, which starts here:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=9119&side=10 - right page
- and ends here: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=9119&side=14 - left page
The place names seen are: Engesvang, Engesvang Mark, Engbjerggaard, Engesvang Hede, Engesvanghuus,
Nederjulianehede, Elbæk, Skygge, Skyggehale, Klode Mølle, Klosterlund, Taastruplund, and Grøndalsgaard.
The person who has indexed the 1860 Census for Kragelund parish at ddd.dda.dk has left out the info about Engesvang school district !!
Map of parishes in Viborg county: https://www.dis-danmark.dk/kort/kortvibo.htm
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engesvang_Sogn (from 1896)
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funder_Sogn - place name Grøndal
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kragelund_Sogn
Grøndalsgaard, Klosterlundvej 25: https://arkiv.dk/vis/2675709
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Inger
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 18 Jul 2022 - 16:13
Actually, the house was situated in Engesvang school district, Kragelund parish, which starts here:
http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=9119&side=10 - right page
- and ends here: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=9119&side=14 - left page
The place names seen are: Engesvang, Engesvang Mark, Engbjerggaard, Engesvang Hede, Engesvanghuus,
Nederjulianehede, Elbæk, Skygge, Skyggehale, Klode Mølle, Klosterlund, Taastruplund, and Grøndalsgaard.
The person who has indexed the 1860 Census for Kragelund parish at ddd.dda.dk has left out the info about Engesvang school district !!
This is how I would index the 1860 Census:
Viborg, Hids,
Kragelund, Engesvang Skoledistrikt, Grøndalsgaard, Et Huus, 124,
FT-1860, B5393
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Anders Christensen Holdgaard 56 gift Huusmand, Huusfader her i SognetInger Marie Andersdatter 60 gift hans Kone [her i Sognet]
Christen Andersen Holdgaard 31 ugift deres Børn, tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
Birthe Marie Andersen 29 ugift deres Børn, tjener Forældrene [her i Sognet]
In Klosterlund, there was one farm (Jens Nicolai Anchersen with family) and a house (no residents).
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Inger
Inger — your research skills are fantastic! Thank you so much for putting aside the time to help me with my (many) questions — I would be so confused without your help! I love the little extras you find (notes about the place names, maps of parishes, photographs) — it really means a lot to me. I wish I could send you some chocolate! I will update the information I have from the 1860 Census too. You're a star.