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Titel: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Art Berggreen efter 11 Maj 2022 - 14:46
Can someone transcribe the column where parents are usually named in the birth/baptism record of Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen (#2, 3 Jan 1863)?
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21835704#458424,81770529 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21835704#458424,81770529)
I suspect that this was an illegitimate birth.

Thanks,
Art
Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Bjarke Thyrrestrup efter 11 Maj 2022 - 18:39
I read:

Lucie Hansdatter
Emberg, frasepare-
ret Hustru af Snedker
Christian Julius Ras-
mussen, Ramsherred
N57. udl. F. Typograf
Theodor Sonich
Christian Harksen / 30 ¼ Aar

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Lucie Hansdatter
Emberg, separated
wife of carpenter [joiner?]
Christian Julius Ras-
mussen, Ramsherred
No. 57. Putative father printer
Theodor Sonich
Christian Harksen / 30 ¼ years old


Mvh
Bjarke
Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Ole Westermann efter 11 Maj 2022 - 18:39
Yes, he is illegitimate
Parents
Lucie Hansdatter,
Emberg, frasepare-
ret Hustru af Snedker (carpenter)
Christian Julius Ras-
mussen, Ramsherred
N 57. udl. F. (putativ father) Typograf
Theodor Sonich
Christian Harksen / 30¾ Aar*              *mothers age

Ole
Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Art Berggreen efter 11 Maj 2022 - 22:32
Thank you Bjarke and Ole!

I am seeing several children born to Lucie Hansen Emberg where she is listed first as "frasepareret hustru" and her original husband and then the named father that the child's surname comes from.  "Frasepareret hustru" appears to translate to estranged wife.  Was formal divorce common during this time or did she just leave her husband and have children with a couple of other men even if she was still technically married?

Thanks,
Art

Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Ole Westermann efter 17 Maj 2022 - 12:34
Also in those days people got divorced now and then.
When a couple had decised to get divorced, they first had to go through a period of (juridicial) separation, where efforts of
conciliation were made by a priest and sometimes also other authorities. Then they could ask for a real divorce, but it could
take years, and sometimes they did not obtain that if none of them should marry again.
If one of them wanted to enter a new marriage, he/she had to have the divorce first.

Ole
Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Art Berggreen efter 17 Maj 2022 - 16:16
It looks like in this case there was no divorce.  In most of the birth records of her later children, she is listed as the estranged wife of her husband and in her death record she is listed as the widow of her original husband.

Art
Titel: Sv: Jens Sonich Henrik Harksen
Indlæg af: Bente Wanning efter 18 Maj 2022 - 13:52
Namn:   Lucie Hansen Emberg
Kön:   Kvinde (Kvinna)
Giftermålsålder:   19
Typ av händelse:   ægteskab (Vigsel) marriage in Odense, Odense sankt hans parish/Church 17. may 1850
Make/maka:   
Christian Julius Rasmussen


Namn:   Lucie Hansdatter Emberg
Kön:   Kvinde (Kvinna)
Ålder vid dop:   0
Typ av händelse:   dåb (Dop)
Födelsedatum:   15 Marts 1832
Dopdatum:   4 1832
Doport:   Danmark
Far:   
Hans Knudsen
Mor:   
Karen PedersDatter   

Alle oplysninger vedr. den valgte person

Navn:   Lucie Hansdatter Emberg
Alder:   8   Civilstand:   ugift
Erhverv:   Barn [Hans Knudsen]
Kildehenvisning:   267
Antal familier/hus:   1
Kilde:   FT 1840   Husstands-/familienr:   4
Matrnr/adresse:   en gård
Sogn:   Hjadstrup   Herred:   Lunde
Amt:   Odense   Stednavn:   Emmelev
Indtastningsnr:   A2800   Løbenr.:   424
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Odense, Lunde, Hjadstrup, Emmelev, en gård, 4, FT 1840, A2800
Navn:    Alder:    Status:    Stilling i familien:    Erhverv:    Fødested:
Hans Knudsen     58     gift          Gårdmand og sognefoged      
Karen Pedersdatter     38     gift          Kone [Hans Knudsen]      
Lucie Hansdatter Emberg     8     ugift          Barn [Hans Knudsen]