Dear forum I am looking for the birth information of Elsebeth Jorgensen, parents Jorge Jorgensen and Kirsten Jorgensen, around 1860-1864, probably they were from Odense.
Also her marriage that could happen in Odense or in Copenhaggen around 1888-1891.
Thank you.
Politiets registerblade
https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-720492
Ulla karin Alsvold
Gabriela,
You should reveal futher details about Elsebeth: spouse, child/children and possible siblings. Anything would help us in finding the right persons.
Did she stay in Denmark or did she (and her family) leave DK?
If you use the information that Jorgen is born June 20 1867 and look for him in https://www.familysearch.org/ you will find his parents and his wife and children.
They was married in 1896 in Copenhagen
Ulla Karin
Citat fra: Ulla Karin Alsvold Dato 18 Jan 2021 - 12:06
....that Jorgen is born June 20 1867 .....
Ulla Karin
I read that the
daughter was born 1860-1864
I believed that she ment Jörgen and Kisrstine.
There are a Elsebet Jörgensen born 1867 in Odense married to an oberstlöjtnat Johannes Jörgensen born 1863 in Slesvig in Politiets registerblade, They had a son Vagn born in 1903.
You can find theme at danish family search https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid19663583
Ulla karin
It could be Nicoline Kirstine Elsebeth Johansen born 25 Feb. 1862 in Odense:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn868/churchlisting137882/opslag15031647
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21502468#351559,69909734
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21477078#351246,69887899 - No 30
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=22062253#457726,81738476 - No 30
Elsebeth was baptized in Vissenbjerg, close to Odense. She had her surname changed to Jørgensen in 1887.
Her mother was Kirsten Thomsen, 23 years old, the alleged father Johan Henrik Christiansen.
Kirsten is the daughter of Thomas Hansen in Vissenbjerg.
Kirstine Thomsen, 30 y, daughter of Thomas Hansen in Vissenbjerg, married Jørgen Jørgensen, 40 y, 27 Jun. 1869 in Odense:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17129128#174308,29320059 - right page
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21477082#351249,69888656 - No 19
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=22062253#457731,81739221 - No 19
Elsebeth in 1885 Census, Copenhagen: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid15345451
- probably with her mother, widow Kirsten Jørgensen
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Inger Toudal
København, København (Staden), Holmens Kanal, Gammelholm Kvarter, 250, 30, FT-1880, D3800
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Kirstine Jørgensen, [f. Thomsen] 40 Enke Dameskrædder Vissenbjerg Sogn, Odense Amt
Jacobine Kirstine Elisabeth Jørgensen 17 Ugift Hendes datter Odense
Gertha Christine Jørgensen 14 Ugift Hendes datter Odense
København, København (Staden), Holmens Kanal (Lige numre), Kjøbenhavn Øster Kvarter, Holmens Kanal 30, matr. 250 Forhus 4.Sal, 5, FT-1885
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Peer Hansen 68 Gift Arbeidsmand Falster
Kirsten Jørgensen 44 Enke Dameskræderinde Vissenberg
Nikoline Kirstine Elisabeth Jørgensen 22 Ugift Dameskræderinde Odense
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Inger
In May 1887 Elsebeth is still living with her mother: https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=2&item=5438922 (https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=2&item=5438922)
In Nov. 1887 she has left home: https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=2&item=5438872
https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-1567564
1890 Census, Holmens Kanal 26: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=60199#60199,12247701
- widow Kirsten Jørgensen, née Tomsen, born in Vissenbjerg.
Kirsten Thomassen was born 13 Dec. 1839:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21835700#458375,81766668 - No 43
1901 Census, Holmens Kanal 26: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=24413#24413,2807719
- Kirsten Jørgensen took residence in Copenhagen 9 Apr. 1874. She was married 1861(!), her husband died 1874,
she has 1 living child and 1 deceased child.
1880 Census, Holmens Kanal 30: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=57693#57693,12088816
- married 1862(!), 2 living children, took residence in Copenhagen 1875.
https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-1567570
Kirsten Jørgensen, née Thomsen, passed away 17 Nov. 1916:
https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=5&item=72540 (https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=5&item=72540) - No 6398
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17114793#149570,24741908 - No 70
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Inger
Hi karin i am not sure if I am writing you in the right place.
Citat fra: Ulla Karin Alsvold Dato 18 Jan 2021 - 10:12
Politiets registerblade
https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-720492
Ulla karin Alsvold
Citat fra: Ulla Karin Alsvold Dato 18 Jan 2021 - 10:12
Politiets registerblade
https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-720492
Ulla karin Alsvold
I can add that Elsebeth Jorgensen got married around 1888-90 perhaps in Copenhagen or Odensen? and her husband name was Paul Hantke. They have a daughter Kirsten Hantke born probably 1889-90 and a son Robert Hantke born 1890-91 and other daughter Gertrud born 1893?. Later in 1894 as a family of 5 members they emigrated from Hamburgo to Argentina.
Do you think you can find the marriage between Paul Hantke and Elsebeth Jorgensen in Denmark?
Thank you very much for your kindness and attention.
Could it be Paul?
Pablo Hatke Huld born in Germany 1863 and died in Santiago Chile 1934?
Found him at Familly search.org
Ulla karin
Thank you Ulla Karin Alsvold and yes this is the Paul Hantke from Germany I am looking for that married Elsebeth Jorgensen from Denmark. They married around 1888-1890 in Odensen or Copehagen.
Hallo again
The problem is that we don´t know where the children was born. And in what document have you found that they travelled from Hamburg?
What documents are there in Chile, any records of naturalization?
Ulla karin
Thank you Ulla Karin. I know they emigrated from Hamburg to Argentina on 1894 but I dont know where the children were born.
I am searching inmigration data in Argentina but I have only found the trip data so my hope is to fine the marriage in Denmark where Elsebeth the bride lived.
Hallo again
Where did you find the trip data ?
How are you related to this persons?
Ulla karin
Hi Ulla Karin
Nice to write you again. Answering to your questions I know by family data because they were the grand parents of my mother so my grand-grand parents. :)
Hallo Gabriella.
Do your family data tell you La Plata in Argentina or La Plata Maderia, in Spain
Check the Passengerlist for Hamburg in Ancestry.com.
If you want to see more you have to pay. It is no problem if you remember to let them know, when you want it to end.
Please let me know.
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1068/?name=_hantke
Ulla karin
:) Thank you Ulla Karin I am happy to communicate because i don´t understand Danish so i don´t know if I am doing the right thing...
Thank you for your idea about Ancestry.com, i have the boat records because i got it from the Chile-German League and it is the passenger list with some information but not what I am looking for, that is:
1. The marriage between Elsebeth Jorgensen adn Paul hantke around 1888-1891 in Odensen or Copehaguen or even Hamburg.
2.The birth of Elsebeth Jorgensen in Denmark in Odense or Copenhaguen around 1861-65
3.The birth of Paul Hantke around 1861-65
4. As a way to move toward this information the birth of the children Kirsten, Robert and Gertrud Hantke (Jorgensen)
Do you think Ancestry.com may have this information?
Are you a researcher in Denmark? I am planning to visit Denmark after the Corona virus end.
My best regards, Gabriela Paiva Hantke
Ancestry has the passengerlist, probaly the same.
If you look at familysearch.org for free, you will find the International Genealogical Index for Hedwig Hantke, if you search for Hantke in Chile you can study birth registrations, in Spanish.
I am an Swedish researcher, living in Skåne, the Öresund Bridge is between the countries.
But I have relatives in Denmark and had a lot of help from the researcher on Forum, and learned a lot about how to search in the different books.
Sending you an email.
Have a good day
Ulla Karin Alsvold
Citat2.The birth of Elsebeth Jorgensen in Denmark in Odense or Copenhaguen around 1861-65
The best (and only)
candidate so far is the
female found by Inger ToudalNicoline Kirstine Elsebeth
Johansen Jørgensen born 25 Feb. 1862 in Odense.
Her
half-sister Gertha Christine Christensen Jørgensen (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=457728#457728,81738719) *27. May 1865 Odense, Sankt Knuds
married Carl Albert Helle-Broe on 15. January 1885 in Holmens, Copenhagen (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=380153#380153,73932343).
This couple had four children according to this Geneanet family site (https://gw.geneanet.org/ohellebroe?lang=en&iz=0&p=gertha+christine&n=jorgensen)
A daughter
Kirsten Emilie Helle-Broe *5. April 1887 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=380170#380170,73936928)
Kirsten Emilie married Lorentz Johan Bie *24. June 1878 on 7. April 1908 Frederiks, Copenhagen (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=149567#149567,24741309)
Kirsten Bie is the grandchild mentioned in the probate records from Court
Københavns Skiftekommission
Forseglings- og registreringsprotokol (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21953913#453493,81314627) – left #998
I do not know if some DNA-testing of you, your mother (if she is still alive) and descendants of this half-sister might indicate a reliable genetic connection. But you might give it a try, if you can find living descendants of the four Helle-Broe children.
You can find the owner of the Geneanet site on Facebook.
I agree.
I can´t find anything more abuot the family
Ulla Karin Alsvold
Gabriela,
I found possible living descendants of the sister. You can mail me: britta.hansen12@gmail.com.
Citat1. The marriage between Elsebeth Jorgensen adn Paul hantke around 1888-1891 in Odensen or Copehaguen
If the marriage has been found in DK by a user on this Forum-site, most certainly he or she already would have revealed place and date.
Citat4. ................the birth of the children Kirsten, Robert and Gertrud Hantke (Jorgensen)
If someone already found the baptisms of the three children, he/she would have told us.
Gertha Christine changes her surname from Christensen to Jørgensen 10 Dec. 1884, i.e. shortly before her marriage 15 Jan. 1885.
Nicoline Kirstine Elsebeth changes her surname from Johansen to Jørgensen 11 Jul. 1887, so maybe she marries shortly after that date?
Both girls change their surname to the surname of their stepfather Jørgen Jørgensen.
Elsebeth is living with her mother in Copenhagen in May 1887, but no longer in Nov. 1887.
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Inger
Inger must have fuond the right person. Elsbeth Jorgensen travelled from Copenhagen to Hamburg and emigrated to Argentia1 of July 1887 (Hamburg passengerlists) She went alone.
Ulla karin Alsvold
Hola Gabriela, he leído tu post y tal vez puedas encontrar información en el Censo argentino de 1895 de las personas que pasaron por Argentina en su camino a Chile. Saludos cordiales,
Sonia Pedersen. Argentina.
(Gabriela kan maaske finde positiv response i den argentinske national Census fra 1895, da hendes aner kom til landet fór de flyttede over til Chile).
Mvh Sonia