Hello,
My Kirsten Nielsdatter was born around 1767 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark and apparently died 7 Feb 1847 in Ørup, Rosmos, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark.
Her age at death says 83 but something I did not know was that she was apparently a widow of Christan Sørensen and Niels Sørensen. She is the daughter of Niels Jensen in Grundfør.
Death #1 here 7 Feb 1847: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585578#368926,70718556 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585578#368926,70718556)
I have Kirsten Nielsdatter married to Søren Frandsen around 1799 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus. The records do not appear to be online for me to confirm. He dies 28 Nov 1830 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark.
Death Søren Frandsen Dahl #8 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391773,74288623 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391773,74288623)
She is on the 1840 and 1845 Census living with her daughter Bergithe Marie Sørensdatter,
Age 73 1840 Census here: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4258955 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid4258955)
Age 76 1845 Census here: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid5006365 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid5006365)
The marriage with Christian Sørensen appears to be 9 Jul 1814 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark but her 1st husband, Søren Frandsen, has not yet died which makes me wonder if I have the right death record because there is no mention of poor Søren. The translation for the 1845 Census for Kirsten says, "Kirstine Nielsdatter 76 widow Divorced wife Grundför parish, county of Aarhus."
Marriage 9 Jul 1814 #5 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391772,74288602 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391772,74288602)
I find my Søren Frandsen and Kirsten Nielsdatter in the 1801 Census as follows:
Year: FT-1801 Source reference: 348
Household No: 30.
Name: Kirsten Nielsdatter
Age: 33 Civil status: Gift
Position in household: Kone
No of marriage: 1
Parish: Grundfør District: Vester Lisbjerg
Shire: Aarhus Place name: Grundfør Bye
Source entry No: B3144 Record No.: 198
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Søren Frandsen 37 Gift Mand Huusmand med jord
Kirsten Nielsdatter 33 Gift Kone
Niels Jensen 6 Ugift Pleiebarn
Stephan Christensen 1 Ugift fælles Tvillinger
Anne Helena Sørensdatter 1 Ugift fælles Tvillinger
The children on this Census match what I have.
Stephan Christian Sørensen born about 1800 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark (twin)
Anna Helena Sørensdatter born about 1800 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark (twin)
Birgethe Marie Sørensdatter born 19 May 1802 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark (twin)
Bodil Marie Sørensdatter born 19 May 1802 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark (twin)
Anna Marie Sørensdatter born about 1805 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark
Frands Sørensen born 29 Jul 1808 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark
I find Kirsten Nielsdatter and Christian Sørensen on the 1834 Census living with her daughter Anna Marie Sørensdatter as follows:
Year: FT-1834 Source reference: 124
Cadastre/Address: hus
Household No: 89
Name: Kirsten Nielsdatter
Age: 67 Civil status: Gift
Occupation: hans kone
Parish: Grundfør District: Vester Lisbjerg
Shire: Aarhus Place name: Grundfør Mark
Source entry No: B3330 Record No.: 459
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Peder Rasmussen 31 Gift husmand, lever af sin jordlod
Anne Marie Sørensdatter 29 Gift hans kone
Karen Pedersdatter 3 Ugift deres datter
Christen Sørensen 58 Gift daglejer
Kirsten Nielsdatter 67 Gift hans kone
I am wondering if I have the wrong death record for Søren Frandsen? Maybe he died before 1814 when the parish records were not available? Given how quickly people married after the death of a spouse I am thinking he might have died in 1813?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
I think I may have answered my question.
Probate Søren Frandsen here bottom left: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=193360#193360,32416360 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=193360#193360,32416360)
In Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark 12 Aug 1814. His widow is Kirsten Nielsdatter.
Does it say when or where he was born or to whom?
I found a transcription as follows here: https://www.brejl.dk/arhusgejst.html (https://www.brejl.dk/arhusgejst.html)
12 Kirsten Hansdatter i Søften. 7.11.1782, fol.40B.
E: Peder Sørensen, skoleholder i Søften. A:
1) moster, død, [var g.m. Søren Mikkelsen i Søften]. 4B:
a Mikkel Sørensen i Søften
b Niels Sørensen i Søften
c Maren Sørensen g.m. Frands Sørensen i Søften
d Anne Sørensdatter, enke i Søften ved søn Jens Sørensen sst.
2) mors halvsøster, død. 16B:
a Christen Clemensen i Brendstrup [i Tilst sogn]
b Christen Jensen i Pannerup [i Trige sogn]
c Jens Jensen i Hæst [i Trige sogn]
d Kirsten Jensdatter g.m. Jens Murer i Storring
e Anne Marie Christensdatter i Århus
f Kirsten Frandsdatter i Århus, enke efter en matros
g Søren Frandsen i Grundfør
h Christen Frandsen i Hinnerup [i Grundfør sogn]
i Mads Frandsen i Tinning [i Folby sogn]
j Frands Frandsen i Kvolbæk [i Skjød sogn]
k Birthe Frandsdatter i Kvolbæk
l Else Frandsdatter i Fillerup [i Odder sogn]
m Anne Sørensdatter
(Fol.40 mangler og dermed resten ar arvingerne).
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 03:45
Probate Søren Frandsen here bottom left: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=193360#193360,32416360 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=193360#193360,32416360)
In Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark 12 Aug 1814. His widow is Kirsten Nielsdatter.
Does it say when or where he was born or to whom?
- I read the date as 12 Jul. 1814. No info about place of birth or parents.
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 02:47
Hello,
My Kirsten Nielsdatter was born around 1767 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark and apparently died 7 Feb 1847 in Ørup, Rosmos, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark.
Her age at death says 83 but something I did not know was that she was apparently a widow of Christan Sørensen and Niels Sørensen. She is the daughter of Niels Jensen in Grundfør.
Death #1 here 7 Feb 1847: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585578#368926,70718556 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585578#368926,70718556)
- she's living with her son-in-law
(hos Svigersønnen Niels Sørensen). In the 1845 Census, she's
Opholdskone = Aftægtskone (not divorced).
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Parish registers for Grundfør before 1814 were destroyed in a fire 1887: https://dis-danmark.dk/intro/danmarks_kirkeboeger.pdf
"
Grundfør (V. Lisbjærg H.). F 1814-91; K 1814-91; V 1814-91; D 1814- gl.
Pgd. brændte 17. April 1887 og med den de fleste Kbgr. Kbg, 1814-42 og 1855-60 er Afskrift af Kmbg."
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Inger
Thank you Inger. How sad to read about parish records destroyed in a fire.
Thank you for clarifying that she is living with her son-in-law Niels Sørensen. I should have put two and two together on that but I thought it read 'husband' for some reason.
So this ties Birgethe Marie Søresndatter to Niels Sørensen as his wife (per my other thread) but I have the father of Kirsten Nielsdatter as Niels Frandsen and his name looks like Niels Jensen in the death record.
Birthe Marie's confirmation 1817 in Grundfør parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391775,74288682 - No 7
- stepfather Christen Sørensen in Grundfør
Daughters Birthe Marie, Ane Marie and Charlotte Lovise are mentioned in the probate 1814.
Anne Marie's confirmation 1820: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391775,74288683 - No 2
- born 11 Oct. 1805
Charlotte Lovise Cathrine's confirmation 1823 on the same page, No 5
- born 30 Mar. 1809
1801 Census, Grundfør: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid1126057
- son is called Stephan Christian Sørensen
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Inger
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 19:29
but I have the father of Kirsten Nielsdatter as Niels Frandsen and his name looks like Niels Jensen in the death record.
Husband not father. So her "father" is Niels Jensen?
Thank you Inger. I had the 1801 Census but nothing else.
I had a son Frands Sørensen born 29 Jul 1808 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark but this makes it almost medically impossible for Charlotte Lovise Kathrine to be born 30 Mar 1809 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark 8 months later and he is not mentioned in the probate record.
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 20:01
Charlotte Lovise Cathrine's confirmation 1823 on the same page, No 5
- born 30 Mar. 1809
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Inger
I am thinking she must be the mother of the following children, including a set of twins (she has 2 sets of twins as siblings).
Peder Rasmussen birth 22 Jun 1832 #11 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288568 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288568)
Søren Sørensen (twin) birth 17 Sep 1835 #14 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288576 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288576)
Anna Cathrine Sørensdatter (twin) birth 17 Sep 1835 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288666 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288666)
But I cannot find her or her son on the 1834 Census in Grundfør?
Could be here:
Aarhus, Hasle, Sønder Aarslev, Aarslev Bye, Præstegaarden, 1, FT-1834, B3326
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Villads Kasbjerg Assens 49 gift Sognepræst
Ane Elisabeth Kjerstine Knudsen 37 gift hans Kone
Sophie Erasmine Assens 10 ugift deres datter
Marie Cathrine Assens 7 ugift deres datter
Thøger Assens 5 ugift deres søn
Hans Friderich Hyllerup Assens 2 ugift deres søn
Maren Frederiche Schvartz 27 ugift Huuslærerinde
Laurs Jensen 34 ugift tjenestekarl
Søren Pedersen 34 ugift tjenestekarl
Jens Jensen 46 ugift tjenestekarl
Rasmus Nielsen 26 ugift tjenestekarl
Peder Pedersen 17 ugift tjenestekarl
Charlotte Sørensdatter 25 ugift tjenestepige
Ane Jensdatter 25 ugift tjenestepige
Ane Jensdatter 27 ugift tjenestepige
Ane Sophie Rasmusdatter 15 ugift tjenestepige
Son Peder died 5 Sep. 1832: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391773,74288624 - No 13
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Inger
Aww, it always makes me sad to see young children die. It makes me think about how great medicine has advanced and that many of these young children probably would not have died had they the same medical care we enjoy today.
At the time of Søren's confirmation he is living with a Niels Pedersen as his mother has died 23 Jul 1838 in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark. He is still living with Niels Pedersen on the 1850 Census.
Søren's confirmation 1850 here in Tilst, Hasle, Århus, Denmark #4: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94S-BHLX?i=42&cc=2078555 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L94S-BHLX?i=42&cc=2078555)
Year: FT-1850 Source reference: 69
Cadastre/Address: en Gaard
Household No: 44
Name: Søren Sørensen
Age: 15 Civil status: Ugift
Birth place: Grundfør Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Occupation: Tjenestefolk
Parish: Tilst District: Hasle
Shire: Aarhus Place name: Gjeding
Source entry No: D3405 Record No.: 276
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Niels Pedersen 42 Gift Gaardmand, Huusfader Ølsted Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Johanne Nielsdatter 33 Gift hans Kone Liisberg Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Peder Nielsen 8 Ugift deres Børn Her i Sognet [ Tilst]
Niels Peter Nielsen 3 Ugift deres Børn Do [ Her i Sognet, Tilst]
Marie Kirstine Nielsen 6 Ugift deres Børn Do [ Her i Sognet, Tilst]
Mette Kirstine Nielsen 1 Ugift deres Børn Do [ Her i Sognet, Tilst]
Marie Kirstine Nielsdatter 79 Enke Mandens Moder Liisberg Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Laurs Christensen 26 Gift Tjenestefolk Veilbye Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Jens Pedersen 22 Ugift Tjenestefolk Her i Sognet [ Tilst]
Søren Sørensen 15 Ugift Tjenestefolk Grundfør Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Karen Sørensdatter 29 Ugift Tjenestefolk Ølsted Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Ane Marie Laursen !! 16 Ugift Tjenestefolk Her i Sognet [ Tilst]
Death Charlotte #12 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391776,74288697 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391776,74288697)
I did not see a confirmation for the twin sister, Anna Cathrine Sørensdatter, so I think she must have died but I do not see her in Grundfør 1835-1842.
Aarhus, Hasle, Sønder Aarslev, Årslev By, bolsted, 38, 1, FT-1845, B2764
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Hans Pedersen 36 Gift boelsmand, lever af sin jordlod Wibye, Aarh.
Marie Mortensdatter 51 Gift hans kone Sabroe, Aarh.
Birgithe Pedersdatter 23 Ugift hendes datter Tiilst, Aarh.
Niels Pedersen 12 Ugift hendes søn Heri Sogn
Ane Catrine Sørensen 9 Ugift plejedatter under fattigforsørgelse Grundføer, Aarh.
Aarhus, Hasle, Sønder Aarslev, Aarslev, Gård, 15, FT-1850, C0334
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Hans Pedersen 41 Gift Gårdmand, husfader Viby sogn, Aarhus amt
Maren Morthensdatter 56 Gift Hans kone Sabroe sogn, Aarhus amt
Niels Pedersen 17 Ugift Deres søn Her i sognet
Ane Katr: Sørensdatter 15 Ugift Deres plejedatter Grundfør sogn, Aarhus amt
Confirmation 1850: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618771#416654,76634060 - No 2
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Inger
Oh, thank you Inger! I thought for sure she had died young.