Hello,
I have the marriage record for my Niels Jensen Balle and Nielsine Sørensen but I cannot decipher the place name of her father, Søren Nielsen Bonde.
Marriage #5 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247)
I read Ormslev.
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Inger Toudal
Viborg, Hids, Balle, Vester Kejlstrup, Avlsgaarden, Vester Kejlstrup, , FT-1880, B1747
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Johan Henrik Hee 61 Gift Husfader, Propritær Holms Mølle, Serup sogn
Christiane Hee 51 Gift Hustru Holms Mølle, Serup sogn
Augusta Sofie Hee 20 Ugift Datter Pederstrup sogn, Aarhus amt
Valdemar Hee 10 Ugift Søn Vester Kejlstrup, Balle sogn
Lourie Markusen Schack 22 Ugift Husholdningselev Uldum sogn, Vejle amt
Peter Sørensen 20 Ugift Forvalter Rye sogn
Nielsine Sørensen 23 Ugift Mejerske Lisbjerg sogn, Aarhus amt
Mette Katrine Sørensen 24 Ugift Tjenestepige Sinding sogn
Kristine Rasmussen 22 Ugift Tjenestepige Balle sogn
Ane Pedersen 20 Ugift Tjenestepige Bording sogn
Karen Marie Jensen 19 Ugift Tjenestepige Tvilum sogn
Johanne Ane Gregensen 13 Ugift Tjenestepige Gødvad sogn
Birte Jensdatter 68 Ugift Under fattigforsørgelse Hjortshøj sogn, Aarhus amt
Daniel Pedersen 34 Ugift Kudsk Tandskov, Serup sogn
Kristian Sørensen 23 Ugift Tjenestekarl Balle sogn
Peder Jensen 21 Ugift Tjenestekarl Vinderslev sogn
Simon Sørensen 26 Ugift Tjenestekarl Them sogn
Anders Peter Larsen 19 Ugift Tjenestekarl Kjøbenhavn
Niels Sørensen 19 Ugift Tjenestekarl Funder sogn
Rasmus Sørensen 42 Ugift Staldkarl Fadbjerg sogn
Niels Peder Jensen 39 Ugift Mejeriforpagter Gjellerup sogn, Ringkøbing amt
Rasmus Pedersen 39 Ugift Røgter Them sogn
Søren Nielsen 28 Ugift Røgter Vrads sogn
Poul Thomsen 21 Ugift Gartner Solbjerg sogn, Skanderborg amt
Aarhus, Ning, Ormslev, Ormslev By, Sogn, 4 En Huus, 56, FT-1880, C8155
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen Bonde 57 Gift Husfader, Kludesamler G..?? Sogn, Aarhus Amt
Karen Marie Andesdatter 63 Gift hans Kone Tils [Tilst?] Sogn, Aarhus Amt
1880 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10754158
Aarhus, Vester Lisbjerg, Lisbjerg, Liisberg Skov, Et Huus, 13, FT-1860, C1794
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen 36 Gift Huusmand, Huusfader, Arbeidsmand Grundfør S., Aarhuus Amt
Karen Marie Andersdatter 41 Gift hans Kone Tiilst Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Ane Margrethe Sørensen 10 Ugift [deres datter] Ølsted Sogn, Aarhuus Amt
Nielsine Sørensen 4 Ugift [deres datter] her i Sognet
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Inger
Do you think on the 1880 Census Søren Nielsen Bonde says he is born in Grundfør, Vester Lisbjerg, Århus, Denmark? That is what I have but the word in the Census does not look like it says that.
Birth #7 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549)
Marriage #7 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453)
Søren Nielsen Bonde death #6 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=200715#200715,38013469 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?bsid=200715#200715,38013469)
hi Rebecca,
I looked at the handwritten censuses from 1860 and 1880 and for the one in 1860 there's no doubt that it says Grundfør as given in the digitalised census posted by Inger:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=9183#9183,223195 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=9183#9183,223195)
The parish in the census for 1880 is a bit more tricky, but the text could be something like Gronfe, which very well could be Grundfør as it makes most sense looking at the parishes starting with a G in Århus amt - it says Aarhus Amt below the parish. Pronunciation and spelling can differ a lot from person to person and from place to place and there're several examples of funny ways of spelling done by this person writing the pages around Søren Nielsen and his family. Link to the census:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=54996#54996,11953308 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=54996#54996,11953308)
Examples of spelling, which differ from what could be expected at the time:
Tils - Tilst
Sogen - Sogn
Pleibaren - Pleiebarn
Arbeimand - Arbeidsmand
Greetings from Lennarth
Thanks Lennarth. I wanted to confirm because the parents appear to have two sons by the name of Søren Nielsen (born close together), which is not uncommon, but they also moved all over the place.
Census:
1834 in Balle Bye, Mørke, Øster Lisbjerg, Randers, Denmark
1840 in Mårup Bye, Nødager, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark
1845 in Ulstrup, Feldballe, Djurs Sønder, Randers, Denmark
1850 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark
1855 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark
1860 in Ørup, Rosmos, Sønder Mors, Randers, Denmark
hi again Rebecca,
you're welcome. Yes, I now see that there were several children born with the name Søren Nielsen around 1823 in Grundfør parish. The lastname Bonde is also found in the father's name for some of them. Which one of them is the right one I can't say as it isn't possible to distinguish them by vaccination date. Best would probably be to follow all of them to see, if you can find more information during their lives to be able to eliminate them one by one and at the end find the right one. More information might be found at their confirmation. As I see it the possibilities for the right person could be those here (I looked for Søren Nielsen +/- three years):
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288548 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288548)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288549)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288552 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288552)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288554 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288554)
You can also see, if you can find the administrations for the deceased Søren Nielsens. Maybe it will hold some useful information.
Greetings from Lennarth
Aarhus, Vester Lisbjerg, Trige, Trige by, , 8, et hus, FT-1850, C0340
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Søren Nielsen 28 Gift Indsidder og træskoarbeider Grundfør sogn, Aarhus amt
Karen Marie Andersdatter 34 Gift Hans kone Tilst sogn, Aarhus amt
Stine Sørensen 2 Ugift Deres datter Zeuthen sogn, Aarhus amt [Søften sogn]
Daughter Stine: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21637336#391808,74289424 - No 6
- godmother: Faderens Søster, Pige Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter af Grundfør.
Randers, Øster Lisbjerg, Mørke, Balle Bye, en Gaard, 2, FT-1834, C3660
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Niels Sørensen 38 Gift Fæstegaardmand
Birthe Marie Sørensdatter 32 Gift hans Kone
Søren Nielsen 12 Ugift deres Børn
Christine Nielsdatter 10 Ugift deres Børn
Søren Nielsen 8 Ugift deres Børn
Hans Nielsen 4 Ugift deres Børn
Frands Nielsen 2 Ugift deres Børn
Bartelomani Johannes Albretsen 33 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Christen Madsen 26 Ugift Tjenestefolk
- Anne Kirstine b. 6 Mar. 1824: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288644 - No 2
Søren's confirmation 1837 in Mørke parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21618685#383328,74054583 - No 6
- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis
At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7
- a mistake?
You should be able to follow him in the military levying rolls, Lægdsruller.
Younger brother Søren b. 12 Dec. 1825: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391770,74288554 - No 9
- confirmation 1840 in Nødager parish: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21585594#369040,70721579 - No 6
- here in the 1850 Census:
Randers, Djurs Sønder, Rosmus, Ørup, gaard, 6, FT-1850, C5832
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Niels Sørensen Skomager 53 Gift gaardmand, huusfader Grundfør Sogn, Aarhus Amt
Birgitte Marie Sørensdtr. 48 Gift hans kone Do
Christine Nielsdtr. 27 Ugift deres børn Do
Søren Nielsen 26 Ugift do Do
Frants Nielsen 17 Ugift do Mørke Sogn, Randers Amt
Jens Skriver Nielsen 13 Ugift do Do
Kirsten Nielsen 11 Ugift do Do
Carl Fredrik Nielsen 8 Ugift do Nødager Sogn, Randers Amt
Rasmus Peder Nielsen 5 Ugift do Feldballe Sogn, Randers Amt
Birthe Marie Jensdtr. 19 Ugift tjenestepige Hoed Sogn, Randers Amt
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Inger
Thank you for finding those Lennarth. I had two of them, to match the two that i have, with the mother Bergethe Marie Sørensdatter, but the father of the other two has Bonde tagged onto the end so now I am not sure I have the right mother.
I definitely know that my Nielsine Sørensdatter has a father named Søren Nielsen Bonde as given on her marriage record #5 here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21585098#364770,70620247)
Nielsine had 11 children so I will go back and double check the witnesses to see if a mother is mentioned. Based on those birth records I think the mother of my Søren Nielsen (and Søren Jonas) should be Kirsten Sørensdatter.
I found this confirmation record for Søren Nielsen Skomager which is how I have seen who I thought was his father named in Census records, Søren Nielsen Skomager. Confirmation here #6: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383328,74054583 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383328,74054583)
Seen my posting about father's sister Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter being godmother of Søren Nielsen's daughter Stine b. 1848?
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Inger
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 17:51
Daughter Stine: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21637336#391808,74289424 - No 6
I did not know about this daughter. Thank you. I think she must have died young because she is not on the 1860 Census.
Citat- godmother: Faderens Søster, Pige Ane Kirstine Nielsdatter af Grundfør.
- Anne Kirstine b. 6 Mar. 1824: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288644 - No 2
I do not have a sister by the name of Anne Kirstine Nielsdatter? The birth that you link has a different father.
I have this birth for Christiane Nielsdatter here #8: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288645 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391774,74288645)
I wonder if her name was just recorded wrong in the baptism for Stine Sørensen?
Citat
- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis
At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7
- a mistake?
That must be a mistake or I need to double confirm the mother of Søren Nielsen (Bonde).
Sorry, my mistake. The sister of Søren & Søren is of course Christine Nielsdatter b. 28 May 1824.
You could try to find her coinfirmation.
Maybe Ane was added to her name by mistake at the baptism 1848.
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Inger
Yes, I have it here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383334,74054839 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21618685#383334,74054839)
Her name is Christiane Nielsdatter there as well.
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 15 Feb 2020 - 17:51
- vaccinated 20 Jun. 1827 by Weis
At the marriage 15 Oct. 1848 in Søften, the vaccination date is 3 Jul. 1825:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/billedviser?epid=21637336#391810,74289453 - No 7
- a mistake?
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Inger
I think this matches the vaccination of Christiane Nielsdatter if I am reading her confirmation record correct.