Hello everyone,
My great great grandfather, and the patriarch of my Danish-American family (he migrated in 1909) Lars Peter Jensen was born out of wedlock to an Ole Jensen and his mother, Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, in 1884 in the village of Tranholm, Horsens sogn, Aalborg. While we as a family know a lot about Lars and his mother (well, a lot is an exaggeration), I am trying to find out what happened to Ole, as he seems to completely disappear from all records between 1880 and 1890. Here's what I know so far:
1. His parents are Jens Christian Simonsen (18 Dec 1821 - 24 Nov 1893 in Tranholm) and Anne Jensdatter (13 Oct 1832 in Dronninglund - 10 Nov 1887 in Tranholm). I believe that they may have been landowners and owned a farm there, but I do not know enough about Danish society at the time to know exactly what the situation was.
2. He had an older brother, also named Ole Jensen, that only lived to be 3 years old (born in 1853 and died in 1856).
3. He was born on 5 Feb 1858 and baptized on the 13th. Record was found here, line number 2: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164443#164443,27618763 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164443#164443,27618763)
4. He was confirmed in 1872 in Horsens sogn, line number 9: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164444#164444,27619049 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164444#164444,27619049)
5. He has several siblings:
a. Ane Kirstine Jensen (b. 21 Dec 1861 in Tranholm)
b. Maren Jensen (b. 1866 in Tranholm)
c. Jens Jensen (b. 1869 in Tranholm)
d. Jens Christian Jensen (b. 1873 in Tranholm)
6. He appears in every census from 1860 to 1880:
1860: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9041293 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9041293)
1870: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9228952 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid9228952)
1880: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10170487 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid10170487)
7. His son, Lars Peter Jensen, is born in 1884 in Tranholm. He can be found here, line number 3: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164445#164445,27619157 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=164445#164445,27619157). If I understand the record correctly, it states that Ole and the mother were not married, but that he was aware that he was the father of the child. The mother, Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, was working as a servant in someone's household at the time. I believe that is what the annotation on Lars' birth record says, and also jives with what the family already knows. I would not know how to find out exactly where she was at that time however.
8. Ole Jensen only appears in one other place that I can find: in military levying rolls. The first is here: (1876 Ø Omskrevet 1887) https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029#19809,1606184 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029#19809,1606184). The second place he appears is here: (1876 Ø Tilgangsrulle) https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029&fbclid=IwAR1b7G96vlu0AHHv1qHLr1fzOc8ml0sIQaoO3cYy9hFQFI8D8fDN2Y4PTbk#187132,31757124 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029&fbclid=IwAR1b7G96vlu0AHHv1qHLr1fzOc8ml0sIQaoO3cYy9hFQFI8D8fDN2Y4PTbk#187132,31757124). I am not sure how to make sense of these. I believe he was removed from the rolls in 1890, which implies to me that he was at least alive until then. The record in the Tilgangsrulle however puzzles me, and I don't know if it is useful or not.
At this point I've hit a dead end. If anyone has any ideas about where to look, I'm all ears. Thank you very much!
- Matthew Dent
Lars Peder Jensens fødsel: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123964#164445,27619157
Ole is "udlagt barnefader", so Lars Peter Jensen is illegitimate.
Lægdsruller:
Tilgangsrulle 1876. Lægd 439.
Ø5: Ole Jensen.
Father: gaardmand Jens Christian Simonsen.
Born: Horsens Sogn, Kjær [Kær] Herred. 5/2 1858.
1883: M1 - 1285 - b
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481029#187132,31757124
NB: M1 = Millitær-arbejder ved Søværnet. [Military worker in the Navy].
Sadly their is no mention of him moving (or dying)?
So he is transferred to the navy, but sadly I can't seem to find any "sørulle" archives from "5. udskrivningskreds" or one covering Ålborg Amt?
"Kær Herredsfoged" have a list of passes, but only covers 1852-1861.
It seems he was transferred to the sea roll (sørulle)?
Unfortunately, only very few are online: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/other/other-collection/179
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Inger Toudal
Very likely [Wrong] Ole Jensen in Vejle.
Census 1890: Vestergade matrikel 491a forhus. Vejle Town.
Ole Jensen. 32 years. Born Horsens. Married. Housefather. Butcher.
Jensine Jensen. 29 yeaers. Born Vejle. Married. Housemother.
Karen Jensine Jensen. 3 years. Born Vejle. Child.
Source (p. 45): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=62823#62823,12369476
Born: 12. Januar 1887 i Vejle Sogn.
Name: Karen Jensine Marie Jensen.
Father: bucher Ole Jensen.
Mother. wife Jensine Andrea born Hansen, 26 years in Vejle.
Source (p. 213, no 9): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127732#171613,28809557
Married: 29. November 1884 i Vejle Sogn.
Butcher Ole Jensen, baptized 18. Oktober 1857......etc
Source (p. 184, no 49): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17127732#171609,28808678
It's not the right Ole Jensen:
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/churchbook/sogn2927/churchlisting144573/opslag16241497 - No 49
- born in Horsens, Skanderborg county, it seems.
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Inger
Darn. Are there other navy records that I could look at? If I read correctly he was taken off the roll in 1890 which sounds to me like he was still around somewhere, where I don't know. I suppose it's also possible he emigrated...
Birth and baptism of Lars Peter Jensen is easier to read in the new scan:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21584038#356313,70427089 - No 3
His mother is unmarried Johanne Marie Kathrine Larsen, staying with her father, tenant (Indsidder) Lars Peter Pedersen, Horsens [village of Horsens].
The alleged father of the child is bachelor Ole Jensen, Tranholm, who acknowledges the paternity.
Remarks: 10 months prior to giving birth, the mother was working as a servant in Tranholm.
Ole's father Jens Chr. Simonsen was a farm owner, who employed 3-5 servants (Tjenestefolk, -tyende).
I was trying to look up the probate records for 1887 and 1893 from Kær Herredsfoged, but they are not online:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/en/geo/geo-collection/18
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Inger
I guess now is a good time to start planning a trip to Copenhagen...
I've done a very broad search of the 1890 census and can't find anyone that looks remotely like him. Is it possible he actually served in the navy and went somewhere?
Citat fra: Matthew Dent Dato 11 Nov 2019 - 16:52
I guess now is a good time to start planning a trip to Copenhagen...
I've done a very broad search of the 1890 census and can't find anyone that looks remotely like him. Is it possible he actually served in the navy and went somewhere?
The removal from the "searoll" in 1890 is to my knowledge pretty automatic based on age -> I don't think it proves they necessarily knew about his whereabouts or whether he was dead or alive. [I could be wrong though]
Quite a few Danes used the opportunity in being in the navy (or in the merchant fleet) to "jump ship" and emigrate -> could be US, Canada, South Africa, Australia or New Zealand?
The problem is then when jumping ship they sometimes used false names and/or age....
Getting to see the searoll archives might be your best bet to figure out more.
That makes a lot of sense to me. Given that he got a poor servant girl pregnant, I'm getting a gut feeling that he went off somewhere. His parents' farm seems to have gone to his sister, so it's really the only explanation. I really appreciate all the help! He's quite the enigma.
Another possibility is the skifte (probate) after his father Jens Christian Simonsen.
As he dies in 1893 it might give information on the whereabouts of Ole (or if he is dead) for that year.
It should be the Skifteprotokol for Kær Herred.
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17054239#194225,32542294
Unfortunately the probates from 1862-1898 not online yet; hopefully soon.
Hello,
I realize that it has been quite some time since this topic has been visited. At the time I was tracking Ole Jensen and there was discussion that had been moved to the søruller in 1883 and that's where my search went cold. At the time, none of those documents had been digitized. It appears now that they are available on FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/3491657?availability=Family%20History%20Library
I have no idea where to start and how to find him. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy.
I figured out that he was in "Omskrivningsrullen for 1876, (which was written in 1887), Ålborg Købstad.
Ole Jensen.
Here it says M1 already in 1882.
Afsked i 1890 [Discharged]
Kilde (s. 117): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=19809#19809,1606184
It gets complicated with the M1 code [I had overlooked this following fact the last time].
Until 1876 M1 was the code for military workers in the navy.
After 1876 it was the code for "Trænsoldater og hestepassere" [drivers of carriages and horse grooms, later also motor vehicles].
Source (page 11): http://www.roskildeslaegt.dk/noter/Foredrag_om_laegdsruller_&_soeruller_2019-compressed.pdf
So as his lægdsrulle is from 1876 and he is written for M1 [in 1882/1883] he actually is not with the navy, but with the army!
So apparently he is in Ålborg until his discharge in 1890 [so unknown whether he will be in Ålborg at the census of 1890] and at least he is in Ålborg in 1887 [Omskrivningsrullen].
Omskrevet rulle 1876 / 1887 is for Horsens parish, Aalborg county (lægd 439):
https://arkivalielister.dis-danmark.dk/ao_lgd_nr_vis_form.php?sogn=V%C3%A6lg+sogn&lgd_nr=439&type=u
The discharge 1890 is probably based on age. As I see it, the military rolls don't necessarily reveal anything about his whereabouts after 1883.
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Inger
In September 1883 Ole Jensen, along with his father and siblings, were summoned to court as heirs of Poul Olesen in Hæbbelstrup, Hallund parish:
http://www2.statsbiblioteket.dk/mediestream/avis/record/doms_aviser_page%3Auuid%3Ad9c95378-8448-4a1c-9974-32c2f9d9ba5f/query/%22ole%20jensen%22%20tranholm
- rightmost column, bottom
Couldn't find anything on Ole Jensen, Tranholm, in Mediestream after that date.
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Inger
Thank you Niels. That explains why I was unable to find him there. I'm a bit bummed that after waiting all that time for those images to go online I still have no clues. It at least seems like he didn't leave Horsens sogn but I don't understand why I can't find him in the census anywhere... I'll keep working on that.
Inger thank you, that is very interesting. I can confirm that the Ole that you found in that article is him. I double checked my tree and Poul Olesen was Jens Christian Simonsen's half-brother from another father. What exactly is going on in this paragraph, if I may ask? Is it the equivalent of being called to a lawyer to have a will read? Why are so many people being called to the court? Would it be possible to translate this somehow?
I will look more into Poul Olesen. I only have his basic information, I wasn't particularly interested in him at first.
Hallund Sogn.
Død: 31. Maj 1883.
Begravet: 8. Juni 1883 i Horsens Sogn [Ålborg Amt].
Navn: Poul Olesen.
Aftægtsmand i Hebbelstrup. Enkemand.
Alder: 70 aar.
Kilde (s. 307, nr 2): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123348#163284,27428054
&
Horsens Sogn entry has the following information.
Forhenværende gaardejer i ?Kyesgaard? [Is a Farm "Kyvsgaard" in Horsens Sogn].
Kilde (s. 107): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123964#164445,27619254
&
Newspaper: (Here called Kivsgaard)
Source: http://www2.statsbiblioteket.dk/mediestream/avis/record/doms_aviser_page%3Auuid%3A701ced70-fecf-40e7-a651-9d84868e20a9/query/%22h%C3%A6bbelstrup%22%20olesen
Possibly him.
Folketælling 1834: Aalborg, Kær, Vester Hassing, Vester Hassing, Striben, en gård, 102, FT-1834, A0340
Christen Larsen 36 Gift Gårdmand.
Mette Thomsdatter 42 Gift hans kone.
Erich Pedersen 9 Ugift deres barn.
Peder Christensen 7 Ugift deres barn.
Lars Severin Christensen 4 Ugift deres barn.
Thomas Christian Christensen 3 Ugift deres barn.
Poul Olesen 21 Ugift Tjenestekarl.
Mariane Larsdatter 32 Ugift Tjenestepige.
Maren Jensdatter 16 Ugift Tjenestepige.
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1840: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens skoledistr., Tranholm, en Gaard, 18, FT-1840, A1674
Simon Christensen 67 gift Gaardmand
Maren Svendsdatter 63 gift hans kone
Poul Olesen 28 ugift deres barn [so Poul and Lars cannot be the sons of Simon Christensen, but must be the wife's children].
Lars Olesen 27 ugift deres barn
Jens Christ. Simonsen 19 ugift deres barn
Birgithe Christensdatter 24 ugift Tjenestepige
Niels Christian Jensen 16 ugift Tjenestedreng
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1845: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens, Kyvigaard, en gaard, 19, FT-1845, A0350
Poul Olesen 33 gift Gaardmand. her i sognet.
Karen Marie Jørgensdatter 48 gift hans kone. Ajstrup sogn, Aalborg amt.
Christen Pedersen 15 ugift deres søn. her i sognet.
Maren Eilertsdatter 11 ugift Plejedatter i datters sted. her i sognet.
Anthon Christensen 12 ugift Plejebarn. Sundby !! sogn, Aalborg amt.
Lars Christian Jensen 22 ugift Tjenestekarl. Vesterh.!! sogn, Aalborg amt.
Maren Sørensdatter 25 ugift Tjenestepige. her i sognet.
Kilde: Dansk demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1850: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens by, Kyvsgaard,en gaard, 91, FT-1850, B3088
Poul Olesen 38 Gift gaardmand,huusfader her i sognet
Karen Marie Jørgensdatter 53 Gift hans kone Aistrup sogn,Aalborg amt
Maren Eilertsdatter 16 Ugift deres datter her i sognet
Poul Peter Nielsen 7 Ugift deres Pleiesøn Aistrup sogn,Aalborg amt
Mads Christian Jensen 17 Ugift tjenestefolk Østerhassing sogn,Aalborg amt
Johanne Kirstine Andersdatter 19 Ugift tjenestefolk her i sognet
Birgitte Marie Poulsdatter 28 Ugift tjenestefolk Aistrup sogn,Aalborg amt
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1855: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens Bye, en Gaard, Kyvsgaard, 98, FT-1855, C9285
Poul Olesen 43 Gift Gaardmand. Husfader Horsens Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Karen Marie Jørgensdatter 58 Gift hans Kone Aistrup Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Maren Eilertsdatter 21 Ugift deres Datter Horsens Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Poul Peter Nielsen 12 Ugift Plejesøn Aistrup Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Niels Christ. Olesen 20 Ugift Tjenestefolk Horsens Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Inger Marie Andersdatter 15 Ugift Tjenestefolk Hammer Sogn. Aalborg Amt
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1860: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens Enge, en Gaard, 106, FT-1860, C9090
Poul Olesen 48 Gift Gaardmand, Husfader Horsens Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Karen M. Jørgensen 63 Gift hans Kone Aistrup Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Jens Pedersen 70 Enkemand Tjenestefolk Dronninglund Sogn, Hjøring Amt
Poul Peter Nielsen 17 Ugift Tjenestefolk Aistrup Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Ane Jensdatter 17 Ugift Tjenestefolk Aalborg
Maren Svendsen 14 Ugift Tjenestefolk Nørretranders, Aalborg Amt
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Original (s. 11, højre): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=8949#8949,218422
Folketælling 1870: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Horsens østre dist., Kyorgaard, 16, FT-1870, A1661
Poul Olesen 57 gift husfader. Jordbruger. Horsens sogn, [Ålborg amt].
Karen Marie Jørgensen 72 gift husmoder. Husmoder. Ajstrup sogn, Ålborg amt.
Ane Jensen Nielsen 25 ugift tjenestetyende. Tjenestetyende. Ålborg.
Jensine Jensen 15 ugift tjenestetyende. Tjenestetyende. Ajstrup sogn, Ålborg amt.
Poul Peter Nielsen 26 ugift tjenestetyende. Tjenestetyende. Ajstrup sogn, Ålborg amt.
Anders Peter Pedersen 18 ugift tjenestetyende. Tjenestetyende. Horsens sogn, [Ålborg amt].
Lars Larsen 14 ugift tjenestetyende. Tjenestetyende. Hammer sogn, Ålborg amt.
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Folketælling 1880: Hjørring, Børglum, Øster Brønderslev, Øster Brønderslev, Kraghede, Gaard, 3, FT-1880, C5710
Lars Peter Jensen 42 Gift Husfader, Gaardejer Vadum Sogn, Aalborg
Johanne Marie Jensen 51 Gift Hans Hustru Aistrup Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Christen Martin Olesen 25 Ugift Husfaderens Stedsøn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Else Kathrine Jensen 17 Ugift Tjenestetyende Tolstrup Sogn, Hjørring Amt
Petrine Jensen 21 Ugift Tjenestetyende Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Niels Chr. Jensen 61 Gift Tjenestetyende Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Christen Nikolai Jensen 47 Gift Tjenestetyende Hellevad Sogn, Hjørring Amt
Niels Thærkildsen 44 Gift Husfader, Gaardejer Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Toveline Thærkildsen 42 Gift Hans kone Hellevad Sogn, Hjørring Amt
Thærkel Peter Thærkildsen 12 Ugift Deres Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Johannes Jørgen Thærkildsen 10 Ugift Deres Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Søren Thærkildsen 7 Ugift Deres Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Ane Marie Thærkildsen 5 Ugift Deres Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Inger Marie Thærkildsen 3 Ugift Deres Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Severin Larsen 18 Ugift Tjenestekarl Aistrup Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Jens Chr. Sørensen 16 Ugift Tjenestekarl Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Maren Johanne Petersen 19 Ugift Tjenestepige Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Helene Marie Olesen, født Nielsen 58 Enke Husmoder, Eierinde Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Maren Larsen 31 Ugift Hendes Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Niels Larsen 25 Ugift Hendes Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Karen Larsen 15 Ugift Hendes Barn Øster Brønderslev, Hjørring Amt
Poul Olesen 67 Enkemand Jæger Horsens, Aalborg
Niels Martinus Christensen 15 Ugift Tyende Hallund, Hjørring Amt
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Født: 23. November 1812 i Horsens Sogn.
Døbt: 26. December 1812.
Navn: Poul [Olesen].
Fader: Ole Jensen.
Moder: Maren Svensdatter.
Sted: Tranholm.
Kilde (s. 47, left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123960#164439,27618334
So Maren Svendsdatter later marries Simon Christensen.
Folketælling 1834: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Tranholm, en gård, 8, FT-1834, A0349
Simon Christensen 61 Gift Gårdmand.
Maren Svendsdatter 57 Gift hans kone.
Lars Olesen 21 Ugift husmoders søn.
Jens Christian Simonsen 13 Ugift deres søn.
Boel M. Povelsdatter 20 Ugift Tjenestepige.
Johanne Cathrine Christensdatter 17 Ugift Tjenestepige.
Søren Tærkildsen 21 Ugift Tjenestekarl.
Peder Duubgaard 58 Gift Inderste og huslærer.
Inger Nielsdatter 59 Gift hans kone.
Peter Christian Jørgensen 10 Ugift Plejebarn.
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Maren Svendsdatter must also be Ole Jensen's later wife:
Folketælling 1801: Aalborg, Kær, Horsens, Tranholm, ingen, 6, FT-1801, B2289
Ole Jensen 46 Gift huusbonde bonde og gaardbeboer
Karen Sørensdatter 41 Gift hans kone
Johanne Olesdatter 17 Ugift deres barn
Mette Olesdatter 14 Ugift deres barn
Karen Olesdatter 11 Ugift deres barn
Anne Olesdatter 6 Ugift deres barn
Søren Olesen 4 Ugift deres barn
Jens Olesen 2 Ugift deres barn
Niels Andersen 33 Ugift Tjenestekarl
Kilde: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Død: 30. Oktober 1816 i Horsens Sogn.
Navn: Ole Jensen.
Gaardmand i Tranholm.
Alder: 62 aar.
Kilde (s. 111): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17123964#164440,27618497le Jensen
Citat fra: Matthew Dent Dato 09 Apr 2020 - 22:22
Inger thank you, that is very interesting. I can confirm that the Ole that you found in that article is him. I double checked my tree and Poul Olesen was
Jens Christian Simonsen's half-brother from another father. What exactly is going on in this paragraph, if I may ask? Is it the equivalent of being called
to a lawyer to have a will read? Why are so many people being called to the court? Would it be possible to translate this somehow?
Poul Olesen had made a will in Dec. 1882, which had been submitted to the probate court of Dronninglund District in June 1883.
Niels Peter Eriksen and Axel Peter Jørgensen must confirm the genuineness of the will.
The other persons mentioned are legal heirs/intestate successors of Poul Olesen, and guardians
(Curator/Værge) of heirs.
It seems that Poul Olesen didn't have any biological or adopted children.
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Inger
Sorry that it took me so long to get back. Thank you very much for the information. It seems the court records are not online yet, so for now I'm at another dead end but I really appreciate everything :)