Hello All
I am tracing my ancestors who were related to Thomas English who came to Frederiksværk in 1798 to start the Rolling Mills which is well documented. Thomas English born in 1773 had a sister Elizabeth Laura English who married Samuel Thomas Browne. Elizabeth and Samuel were from Lewisham in London. In 1806 Samuel Thomas Browne arrived in Frederiksvaerk/Copenhagen to manage the rolling mills whilst Thomas English was absent.
Around 1809 Elizabeth had a son (John) Henry Dolben Browne, often dropping the John for Henry on census records. He is listed on all English census records he appears on as being born in Denmark and a British Subject.
The first record of Henry I can find is on the 1841 English Census and then subsequent. I have attempted to find his birth record in Denmark, most likely in Copenhagen or around Frederiksvaerk, but with no luck so far. I would also like to know if there are likely to be any other records relating to Samuel Thomas Browne and his wife Elizabeth in Denmark as well as their son Henry Dolben Browne.
The Dolben part of Henry's name also comes from the English family line which is also of interest but difficult to find exactly where.
Samuel Thomas Browne was a merchant by trade and had involvement with the East India Company and believed to work for the Pasha of Egypt during the early 1800s.
For note Thomas English's (1773) son was Thomas Alfred English born in 1819 was the known Danish engineer.
If anyone has any thoughts on how to best research this branch of my family history I would be grateful for any information, as I live in the UK and therefore physical research would be very difficult.
Kind regards
Paul
Hello
Try to look for the persons in Danish Family Search.
Ulla Karin Alsvold
Could this be in Family
Thomas Alfred English born 1821 in Copenhagen
Clara Maria English born 1831 in Flensburg
Heinrich born 1834 in Flensburg
There mother
Cecilia Maria born 1799 in Copenhagen Widow
Liven 1835 (Census) in Fisherhof Sankt Johannes Gottorp in Slesvig Holstein
Ulla Karin Alsvold
Census 1845:
Flensburg, , Flensburg Sankt Johannis, [Fischerhof], 4, 256 F2, FT-1845, C5604
Cäcilia Maria English 46 Witwe lebt von ihrer Pension und Händearbeit Kopenhagen
Thomas Alfred English 24 Unverheir. ihre Kinder Kopenhagen (zur zeit abwesend).
Clara Maria English 14 Unverheir. ihre Kinder Flensburg
Heinrich English 11 Unverheir. ihre Kinder Flensburg
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid6348754
The age has to be little wrong as Thomas Alfred English was born in 1819.
The baptism of Thomas Alfred English in Helligånds Parish in Copenhagen.
Born: 17th of December 1819.
Baptized: 25th of January 1820.
Name: Thomas Alfred [English].
Fader: Thomas English.
Moder: Madame Cecilie Marie Englisch, born Berk.
Source (top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17115801#151080,25074689
Married 10th of June 1852 in the parish "Sankt Knuds Domsogn" in Odense.
Bachelor civile engineer Thomas Alfred English. Born Copenhagen.
Jomfru [Maiden] Johanne Regine Nathalia Allerup, Born Copenhagen
Source (nr 28): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138175#180623,30654711
Census 1860:
København, Sokkelund, Frederiksberg, Ladegaardsvej, Gaarden Rolighed, 372 - F1, FT-1860, D5204
Thomas Alfred English 40 Gift Civilingeniør København
Johanne Regine Nathalia. f. Allerup 30 Gift Hustru København
Thomas Regnar English 7 Ugift Barn Odense
Clara Cecilie Christine English 5 Ugift Barn København
Henry Allerup English 3 Ugift Barn København
Laura Johanne Louise English 1 Ugift Barn København
Carl Julius Petrus Hansen 39 Gift Civilingeniør Flensborg
Laura Elisabeth. f. English 38 Gift Hustru København
Cecilie Elise Dorothea Emilie Hansen 8 Ugift Barn København
Carl Thomas Alfred Hansen 6 Ugift Barn København
Conrad Mathias Otto Hansen 4 Ugift Barn København
Udøbt pigebarn 1 Ugift Barn København
Cecilie Marie English 61 Enke Pension København [his mother].
Clara Marie English 28 Ugift Datter Flensborg
Henriette Charlotte Berth 35 Ugift Husjomfru Præstø
Cathrine Christiansen 28 Ugift Tjenestepige Vejby
Vilhelmine Juline Alin 41 Ugift Tjenestepige København
Jensine Jensen 21 Ugift Tjenestepige København
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid14355136
Census 1880:
København, København (Staden), Gammel Kongevej (ulige numre), Udenbys Vester Kvarter, Gammel Kongevejs Rode, 18 b, 10, FT-1880, D3040
Thomas Alfred English 60 Gift Husfader Civilingeniør København
Johanne Nathalie English, f. Allerup 49 Gift Husmoder København
Clara Cecilie Christine English 24 Ugift Datter Frederiksberg
Laura Johanne Louise English 21 Ugift Datter Frederiksberg
Mary Nathalie Emilie English 13 Ugift Datter Frederiksberg
Elisabeth Christine Henriette English 8 Ugift Datter Frederiksberg
Laura Frederikke Petrine Thomsen 29 Ugift Tjenestepige Odense
Clara Emilie Jakobine Lind 19 Ugift Logerende, datter af apoteker Th. Lind, Ribe Studerende Ribe
Søren Lundager Jacobsen 21 Ugift Logerende, søn af afdøde købmand Jacobsen, Ribe Studerende Ribe
Nathalie Jacobsen 20 Ugift Logerende, datter af afdøde købmand Jacobsen, Ribe Studerende Ribe
Ivar Elling Hansen 21 Ugift Logerende, søn af afdøde møller Hansen, Ribe Studerende Ribe
Otto Mathias Conrad Hansen 23 Ugift Logerende, søn af C.J. Hansen, Svendborg Kontorist Frederiksberg
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid11179265
Census 1885:
København, København (Staden), Gammel Kongevej (ulige numre), Kjøbenhavn Udenbys Vester Kvarter, Gammel Kongevei 25,matr.18B 4.Sal, 8, FT-1885, D3958
Thomas Alfr.English 64 Gift Husfader Ingenieur Kjøbenhavn
Nathalie Regine English 54 Gift Husmoder Kjøbenhavn
Thomas Regnar English 31 Ugift Søn Ingenieur Odense
Clara Cec.English 28 Ugift Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Laura Johanne English 25 Ugift Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Mary English 18 Ugift Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Else English 13 Ugift Datter Kjøbenhavn
Charles Julius Hansson 25 Ugift logerende Boghandlercommis Kjøbenhavn
Johannes Allerup 25 Ugift logerende Student Odense
Frederik Wilken 23 Ugift logerende Student Odense
Olga Flindt 28 Ugift Tyende Holbæk
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid15359562
Census 1901:
København, København (Staden), Bredegade (Frederiksberg), , 71d, 10, FT-1901, E0857
Nathalie Johanne Regine English 18300312 E Husmoder Formue Kjøbenhavn
Clara Cecilie Christine English 18550928 U Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Laura Louise Johanne English 18590503 U Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Mary Nathalie Emilie English 18660814 U Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Elisabeth Henriette Christine English 18710420 U Datter Lærerinde Kjøbenhavn
Hildegard Holbergine Frederikke Ahlefeldt 18410808 E Pensionær Formue. privat understøttelse Genofte
Ellen Kirstine Andersen 18640414 U Tjenestetyende Dauglykke
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid20535082
Citat fra: Paul London [60016] Dato 01 Sep 2019 - 13:29
Around 1809 Elizabeth had a son (John) Henry Dolben Browne, often dropping the John for Henry on census records. He is listed on all English census records he appears on as being born in Denmark and a British Subject.
The first record of Henry I can find is on the 1841 English Census and then subsequent. I have attempted to find his birth record in Denmark, most likely in Copenhagen or around Frederiksvaerk, but with no luck so far. I would also like to know if there are likely to be any other records relating to Samuel Thomas Browne and his wife Elizabeth in Denmark as well as their son Henry Dolben Browne.
The big problem is that Denmark doesn't have any census between 1801 and 1834.
Most of the 1834 census is even lost for Copenhagen.
So familysearch entries states that Samuel Thomas Browne married Elisabeth Laura English (1781-1858)
Married: 17 JUL 1804, Saint Mary,Lewisham,Kent,England.
- but not found any possible candidates so far.
I have found a little info on Thomas English, though.
From the baptismal records of Thomas Alfred English in 1819 we know their residence was
Ulfeltsplads 113.
Thomas English. "Fabrik-entrepreneur" is also named in Krak Vejviser 1819-1820 at that adress.
See: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/Kraks-Vejviser-1819-20/128
In 1810: No Thomas English listed [only prominent people are listed it should be noted, so not finding names doesn't mean they are not in Copenhagen].
In 1811 he is listed as Thomas English, Kobber-fabrikant.
Østergade 11.
Source: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/Kraks-Vejviser-1811/120
In 1812 he is as Thomas English, Kobber-fabrikant,
Ulfeltsplads 113.
Source: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/Kraks-Vejviser-1812/78
In 1821 is the last time he is listed in
Ulfeltsplads 113.
Source: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/kraks-vejviser-1821/100
No listing 1822.
In 1823: Th. English. Fabrikør.
Vandkunsten 180.
Source: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/kraks-vejviser-1823/104
No listing 1824-1825.
Possible sister to Thomas Alfred English appeared in the 1860 census with her husband, who is also an engineer!
Census 1860:
København, Sokkelund, Frederiksberg, Ladegaardsvej, Gaarden Rolighed, 372 - F1, FT-1860, D5204
Thomas Alfred English 40 Gift Civilingeniør København
Johanne Regine Nathalia. f. Allerup 30 Gift Hustru København
Thomas Regnar English 7 Ugift Barn Odense
Clara Cecilie Christine English 5 Ugift Barn København
Henry Allerup English 3 Ugift Barn København
Laura Johanne Louise English 1 Ugift Barn København
Carl Julius Petrus Hansen 39 Gift Civilingeniør Flensborg
Laura Elisabeth. f. English 38 Gift Hustru København
Cecilie Elise Dorothea Emilie Hansen 8 Ugift Barn København
Carl Thomas Alfred Hansen 6 Ugift Barn København
Conrad Mathias Otto Hansen 4 Ugift Barn København
Udøbt pigebarn 1 Ugift Barn København
Cecilie Marie English 61 Enke Pension København [his mother].
Clara Marie English 28 Ugift Datter Flensborg
Henriette Charlotte Berth 35 Ugift Husjomfru Præstø
Cathrine Christiansen 28 Ugift Tjenestepige Vejby
Vilhelmine Juline Alin 41 Ugift Tjenestepige København
Jensine Jensen 21 Ugift Tjenestepige København
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid14355136
Census 1890: Valdemarsgade 3, 2, sal til højre. Matrikel 135.
Carl Julius ?Tetens? Hanssen. 68 years old. Born Flensborg.
Elisabeth Laura Hansen, born English. 67 years old. Born Copenhagen.
Nathalie Emilie Hanssen. Daughter. 29 years old. Unmarrried. Born Frederiksberg.
Ingeborg Cathrine Christensen. Housemaid.
Source: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS21-YD9G?i=1049&cc=2800928&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQL6K-7CG9
Census 1901. Valdemarsgade 3.
Carl Julius Tetens Hansen. 5th August 1821. Moved to Copenhagen in 1850 and again in 1880.
Married 1851. Became Widower in 1896. 5 living children in marriage.
Nathalie Emilie Hanssen. Daughter. 10th October 1859. Unmarrried. Born Frederiksberg.
Ingeborg Cathrine Christensen. Housemaid.
Source: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=24829#24829,2838655
Carl Julius Tetens Hansen.
Born: ca. 1822 i Flenborg.
Died: 6/6 1916.
Source: https://www.kbharkiv.dk/sog-i-arkivet/sog-i-indtastede-kilder#/post/17-1536464
Laura Elisabeth Hanssen, born English
Died: 30th January 1896 in Sankt Matthæus Sogn, Copenhagen.
Buried: 5th of February in Frederiksberg.
Address at death: Valdemarsgade 3.
73 years old. Wife of civilingenør Julius Tetens Hanssen
Source (nr. 56): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17118435#156057,26122900
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Born: 28th September 1822.
Baptized: 16th of December 1822 in Vor Frue Sogn in Copenhagen.
Name: Laura Elisabeth [English].
Father: Thomas English.
Mother: Cecilia Marie Berth
Source (nr 4): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119867#158951,26713510
Census 1835. Flensborg Town.
Thomas Englisch. Age 56.
Cäcelia ?Birth?. Age 36.
Alfred Englisch. Age 16. [Thomas Alfred English]
Laura Englisch. Age 13. [Laura Elisabeth English]-
Johann Englisch. Age 8
Clara Englisch. Age 4 [Clara Marie English, is 28 years in the 1860 census]
Heinrich Englisch. Age 1
Source (top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=187597#187597,31780460
In 1860 Census there was a husjomfru "Henriette Charlotte Berth" age 35 .
Perhaps a relative of Cäcilia "Birth". [A brothers daughter?].
Married 24. December 1814 in Vor Frelsers Sogn in Copenhagen.
Ungkarl Thomas Englich. Forpagter af valseværket på Frederiksværk.
Jomfru Cicilia Marie Berth. 16 years old at her father ?Justitsråd? Berth. Strandgade 35.
Source (nr 5): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119859#158848,26688472
Krak vejviser 1814-1815:
L. Berth. Justitsraad. Chef for Frederiksværks Hovedcontoir og Secretair i den Millitære Indqvaterings Commission.
Adresse: Christianshavn. Strandgade 35.
Source: https://user-9y8ca5x.cld.bz/kraks-vejviser-1814-og-1815/28
So Thomas English married the daughter of a prominent man!