Tracing one of my ancestors has been difficult, so I am asking for suggestions.
Contorist Jørgen August Jørgensen was the alleged father of Christiane Augustine Bjerregaard who was born in Nordby on Fanø on 25 May 1833. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17125384#167014,28043879 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17125384#167014,28043879) How do I trace the father, when I only know his name and occupation?
Here is what I have tried:
no additional information in Christiane Augustine's confirmation, marriage, or death records
he is not in the Nordby til- or afgangslister
he is not in the lægdsruller for Nordby (I need to look at the søruller)
he is not in the index to Nordby skode- og panteprotokoller
he is not in the index to Fanø skifteprotokoller
Nordby arkivet did not have any additional information
Anne Marie Grønnegaard, author of Nordby Slægter, did not have additional information
the DDD has 2 Jørgen August Jørgensens in FT-1845 that could be possibilities, but I'm not sure how I could prove they are or are not the father
The mother was from Fanø, and I assume from all the other information I have about her that she became pregnant on Fanø. She never married.
Thanks,
Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.
This is the mother in FT 1834:
Ribe, Skast, Nordby, Odden 105 Lægd, et Huus som hører til Skolen, 68, FT-1834, C6856
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Barbara Marie Sørensdr [Sørensdatter] 40 Ugift nyder Understøttelse af Fattigvæsenet.
Hans Sørensen 12 Ugift } hendes Børn
Søren Svendsen 9 Ugift } hendes Børn
Christiane Augustine Bjerregaard 1 Ugift } hendes Børn
A woman in her best years....
You say that you have found some possible Jørgen August Jørgensen in the census 1845 - how old are the - can they match her?
Where have you found them - can they be traced to the censuses of 1840 and 1834 ?
Yes, the ages are about right. Neither of these are in the DDD in FT-1834 when I search for Jørgen August J%.
1840 København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, Hjortelængen, Huuset nr. 156, 2. Sal, 153 F8, FT-1840, C5130
Jørgen August Jørgensen 39 Gift Skoemagersvend
Marie Lovise Fellum 37 Gift hans Kone
Magdalene Jørgensen 2 Ugift deres Datter
1845 København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Klerkegade 435,1.Sahl, 2, FT-1845, C4015
Maren Larsen 55 Enke Pention Wiborg
Torvald Larsen 11 hendes Søn Kjøbenhavn
Lauritz Larsen 23 Gift Skomagersvend Kjøbenhavn
Emilie Chirstine Brant 24 Gift hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Otto Lauritz Larsen 1 deres Søn Kjøbenhavn
Jørgen August Jørgensen 34 Gift Skomagersvend Tystrup
Marie Luise Tellum 42 Gift hans Kone Helsingør
Magdalene Andrea Jørgensen 7 deres Datter Kjøbenhavn
1845 Holbæk, Merløse, Tveje Merløse, Hellestrup by, Arbejdsanstalt ved Holbæk, 19, FT-1845, C3174
Niels Vamberg 41 Gift Inspektør ved Stiftelsen Ryslinge sogn Svendborg amt
Ane Marie Elisabeth Vamberg født Hansen 32 Gift Hans kone København
Fredrik Christian Vamberg 6 Ugift Deres søn Vinter mølle Ka.
Elise Frederikke Henriette Vamberg 4 Ugift Deres datter Mørkegaard
Harald Magnus Nicolai Vamberg 2 Ugift Deres søn Holbæk
Elise Frederikke Christiane Hansen 26 Ugift Inspektørens priorginde der afløses af ham København
Hansine Markusen 19 Ugift Tjenestepige Holbæk
Maren Magdalene Nielsdatter 20 Ugift Tjenestepige Holmstrup
Jens Rødin Sparvalh 24 Ugift Opsynsmand Køge
Niels Jensen 38 Ugift Opsynsmand Aagerup
Hans Jørgen Petersen 32 Ugift Gartner Liseby på møn
Karen Marie von Vesten 58 Ugift Gangkone København
Hans Johansen Lyngberg 65 Gift Arbejdslem Vig i Odsherred
Niels Pedersen 32 Ugift Arbejdslem Kallundborg
Johanne Marie Fiik 47 Enke Arbejdslem Bjergbye
Ole Pedersen 43 Gift Arbejdslem Viskinde
Jørgen August Jørgensen 41 Ugift Arbejdslem Holbæk
Rasmus Olsen 58 Gift Arbejdslem Viskinde
Sidse Christensdatter 38 Ugift Arbejdslem Tudse
Karen Marie Rasmusen 11 Ugift Syg Asmindrup
Niels Andersen 28 Ugift Syg Kundbye
E. Flach 88 Enkemand Syg Sveitz
Elisa Andrea Olavia Jensdatter 14 Ugift Syg Bjergbye
N. Kastholm 33 Gift Syg Undløse
Jens Jensen 34 Ugift Syg Sandbye
Else Kirstine Møller 34 Gift Syg Sandbye
Jørgen Larsen 46 Ugift Sindsyg ved det 3. år Bjergbye
Gotlieb 37 Ugift Sindsyg ved det 1. år Finnerup
Kirstine Nielsdatter 51 Enke Sindsyg ved en mand Sandbye
The persons mentioned are not very likely.
Contorist is somebody employed in an office - and probably from a city, not a village in the country.
Could he have been some kind of summer tourist?
I agree, not very likely.
A summer tourist? That is an interesting idea, and not one I would have associated with 1833. I will keep this in mind.
The next thing I was going to try is to look through the lægdsruller for Ribe, 1833 Hovedrulle, for a Jørgen August, son of Jørgen. I hope he is not from a city, then I will not be able to find him in the lægdsruller.
Was a contorist employed in a government office, or at a private business, or is it impossible to tell?
Could it be Jørgen Jørgensen August ?
Lægdsrulle Horslunde:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17282,740110
Halsted, Horslunde lægd 1, nr C 14, Jørgen f. 7. maj 1795, Ørslykke. Far Jørgen August.
Konfirmation:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=151784#151784,25241203
Jørgen Jørgensen, Jørgen Augusts søn, 14 år.
mvh Verner
Census 1801:
Maribo, Lollands Nørre, Horslunde, Nÿbÿgt, , 12, FT-1801, B5129
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Jørgen August 38 Gift Husbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Kirsten Fredrigsdatter 30 Gift hans Kone
Anne Katrine Jørgensdatter 5 Ugift deres Barn [Jørgen August-Kirsten Ludvigsdatter]
Sidsel Jørgensdatter 2 Ugift deres Barn [Jørgen August-Kirsten Ludvigsdatter]
Jens Henricksen 22 Ugift Tienestekarl
Lars Hansen 14 Ugift Tienestekarl
Maren Hansdatter 19 Ugift Tienestepige
Why is little Jørgen not present ??
I 1801 er Jørgen i Vesterborg
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17282,740110 opslag 35
Halsted TR 1795, lægd 1, nr C14, Horslunde
Jørgen Jørgensen, Jørgen August, f. 7. maj 1795,
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17291,741716
Halsted 1796 D, HR lægd 1 opslag 22. Horslunde
gl nr C!€ nyt 366, Jørgen Jørgensen, far Jørgen August, 1 år
til 14 E 234.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17302,744730
Halsted 1801 J, HR lægd 14 opslag 143, gl nr 234 nyt 121, Lægd Vesterborg
Jørgen 6 år.
Til 1 K 492
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16481031#17306,745716 opslag 289
Halsted 1802 K, TR opslag 289, lægd1 nr. K K 492. Horslunde
Jørgen 6 år.
mvh Verner
Nothing in lægdsrullen indicates that Jørgen visited Fanø.
He has been found in Vesterborg, Horslunde, Skovlenge, Ryde, Gloeslunde, Herredskirke.
Deleted 1826, 30 yrs old.
mvh Verner
Verner, thanks for the information about Jørgen, son of Jørgen August. I did not think August could be a last name. Maybe there is nothing to indicate he went to Fanø, but I should follow him a little to see if he became a contorist around 1834. ;)
Today I spent several hours looking at registre over viede og døde from about 50 sogne on arkivalieronline, but I did not find Jørgen August Jørgensen. I am so happy that many more records are online now, so I will keep working on this and my other difficult problems.
Thanks Verner and Peter.
Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.
More about Jørgen Jørgensen August
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?1,77503,77582
Jørgen Jørgensen August died 12. jul 1854 i Nakskov
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=153916#153916,25655509
A link to Jørgen Thygesen Augustsen aka Jørgen August Jørgensen.
How and where was the connection between these men found ? Maybe the owners of the site can tell.
http://www.jorgensenfamilien.dk/133.html
mvh Verner
PS have you found what you are looking for about Cathrine Bruun ?
Thanks for the additional information, Verner. Still nothing to connect to my Jørgen August Jørgensen. :(
I found a little more information about Cathrine Bruun. She is listed twice in the Politiets Registerblade, as Cathrine Bruun and Kathrine Brusen. Being able to search for only a birth date, helped me find the card with her name spelled wrong.
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1930988&searchname=polit_simple (http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1930988&searchname=polit_simple)
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1930928&searchname=polit_simple (http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=1930928&searchname=polit_simple)
I found her on the Politiets Mandtaller, working at the Kommuneshospital. After May 1894, I cannot find her. I did not find her in the Kbh Begravelsesprotokoller up until 1943. My next plan was to find locations of hospitals in Kbh in 1901, then look at the FT-1901 to see if she is working at another hospital somewhere. Her father's probate (Buffalo, New York, 1907) says that Cathrine Bruun was in Kbh in 1907.
Also, the other information I found is that her father sold their house in Odden, Nordby sogn på Fanø in 1888. I think Cathrine Bruun and her mother Christiane Augustine Bjerregaard lived in the house until then. Cathrine went to work in Kbh, and the mother stayed on Fanø until she died in 1908. The mother owned nothing, so her skifteprotokol does not mention the children's names or residences. :(
It is also possible that Cathrine Bruun went to America after her mother died, but I have nothing in my family records to indicate that she left Denmark.
With all the new records available on AO now, I can keep busy looking for information on my other Danish ancestors that I never had time for, back in the days when records were on microfilm and progress was slow.
mvh
Lisa Petersen
Today I found a Jørgen Lorentz August Jørgensen in the Fanø skode- og panteprotokoller.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16967783#212121,40081494 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=16967783#212121,40081494)
What is this document about? It doesn't look like a deed or mortgage to me. And does this prove that this Jørgen Lorentz August Jørgensen was on Fanø on 9 August 1832 when it was recorded?
Thanks in advance for any help with this.
Lisa Petersen
near Washington, D.C.
The document in question is at the bottom of the right page. Sorry for any confusion.
Lisa Petersen
As far as I can read, it is about an auction held December 7th 1831 by JLAJ in his capacity as temporary appointed judge, court clerk and auction director in Fanø judicial district.
Thank you Helmer. If he was a temporary appointed judge, his name may appear in other records, so I will look more in the Fanø court records.
There is a Jørgen Lorentz August Jørgensen in FT-1834 and FT-1840 living in Øster Egede, Fakse, Præsto, with his father Christian August Jørgensen. He was born about 1807/1808 and was a Fuldmægtig, so he could be my ancestor contorist Jørgen August Jørgensen.
FT-1834, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=3622#3622,106161 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=3622#3622,106161)
FT-1840, https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=6475#6475,146916 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=6475#6475,146916)
On FT-1845, his father is still in Øster Egede, but JLAJ is not living at home.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=8272#8272,198719 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=8272#8272,198719)
Then I looked in the Øster Egede afgangslister, and found that JLAJ went to North America in 1842.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17120063#159324,26787873 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?epid=17120063#159324,26787873)
Can anyone suggest what I should do next?