I'm looking for the parents of Anne Sophia Bertelsen. She married Lars Mogensen on 31 July 1813 in Tanderup, Bäg, Odense. She died 8 Jul 1826 in Rolsted, Aasum, Odense. In 1801 census she is 18 and living in Tommerup, Odense, Odense. I could not locate her in 1787 census. She should be about 4 years old. Her grandson came to America about 1870. Thanks for any help.
Roger
Maybe her parents.
Search her birth approx. 1773rd
FT 1801 18 years - married in 1813 30 years?
odense, Baag, Tanderup, Emtekiær, , 2, FT-1787, B4454
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Bertel Larsen 50 Gift hosbond Bonde og gaardmand
Kiersten ??datter 48 Gift Madmoder
Lars Bertelsen 10 Ugift deres ægte Børn
Ana Bertelsdatter 16 Ugift deres ægte Børn
Berthe Bertelsdatter 7 Ugift deres ægte Børn
Hi Roger,
This old page (in Danish): http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?1,379546,379628 states that Anne Sophie and her sisters are from Assens, Baag, Odense. Here is the family ind the 1787 census:
Odense, Baag, Assens Købstad, Assens Kiøbstad, Storegade no 28, 31, FT-1787, B0007
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Lorens Bertelsen 46 Gift hosbonde camerraad og tolder
Anne Dorthea Trolle 34 Gift hans kone
Sara Elionora Rodevig 14 Ugift alle af andet ægteskab
Joachim Godske 10 Ugift alle af andet ægteskab
Anne Sofie 4 Ugift alle af andet ægteskab
Charlotte Dort. Krist. 1 Ugift alle af andet ægteskab
Jens Linnegaar 23 Ugift tienestefolk skriver
Peder Madsen 32 Ugift tienestefolk
Anne Lisbett Paulsdatter 26 Ugift tienestefolk
Berte Andersdatter 27 Ugift tienestefolk
Marie Erichsdatter 22 Ugift tienestefolk
The baptism is in Assens, Baag, Odense 1778-1805 opslag/page 93 (first entry on the page): Anne Sophie, parents Lorenz Bertelsen and wife Dorthe Trolle.
Here is Lars Mogensen in 1834:
Odense, Aasum, Rolsted, Rolfsted Bye, Skolelærerboligen, 1, FT-1834, B5234
Navn: Alder: Civilstand: Stilling i husstanden: Erhverv: Fødested:
Lars Mogensen 43 Enke(mand) Kirkesanger og skolelærer
Lucie Charlotte Mogensen 19 Ugift Hans barn
Anne Magrethe Hedevig Mogensen 17 Ugift Hans barn
Petrine Kirstine Mogensen 15 Ugift Hans barn
Lorents Mogensen 14 Ugift Hans barn
Johanne Christophine Cathrine Marie Mogensen 11 Ugift Hans barn
Caroline Jacobine Bertelsen 46 Ugift Huusholderske
Sara Eleonore Hedevig Bertelsen 61 Ugift Pensionist i kost og logie
Inger Nielsdatter 26 Ugift Tjenestepige
There is a son Lorents - presumably named after the grandfather - maybe indicating that the Assens family is the correct one.
Cheers,
Mette
My take:
In 1801 she is 'in her 18th year'. That gives a birth ca. 1784. In rural Fyn her father should be Bertel, not simply Bertelsen.
In the census her name could be shortened to any of the various spellings of Anna/Anne.
It's probably better to search for 'Bertel/Berthel' as a first name in that herred or parish in 1787 and see if there are any likely daughters.
Here's the Danish version for a search: http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_selv.asp
I think you can switch the search portion to English.
Thank You Anne, Mette, Ralph for your reply. Mette found the right family. I was looking for father to have a first name of Bertel. Can you tell me what the occupation of Lorens Bertelsen is in the 1787 census "camerraad og tolder"?
Touché. In a købstad and with the more prominent folk the rules were already changing. It was true in rural areas that the transition began about 1810 and extended as late as 1870, on rare occaision even later.
Hi Roger,
Anne Sophie's parents have to be Lorentz Bertelsen and Dorthe Trolle. My reasoning is that in all the records (marriage, birth of children, and death) she is listed as Bertelsen and not Bertelsdatter. In addition two of her sisters are listed as sisters-in-law of her husband in the 1845 census.
All persons in the household
Odense, Aasum, Rolsted, Rolfsted, En degnebolig, 1, FT-1845, B5839
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Lars Mogensen 54 Enke(mand) Kirkesanger og skolelærer Steenløse sogn, Odense Amt
Petrine Kirstine Mogensen 26 Ugift Hans datter Her i sognet
Sophie Magdalene Hansen 11 Ugift Huusfaders datterdatter Svallerup sogn, Holbek Amt
Caroline Jacobine Bertelsen 57 Ugift Huusfaders svigerinder, lever af pension Assens
Sara Eleonore K. Bertelsen 72 Ugift Huusfaders svigerinder, lever af pension Assens
Note that Sara is listed in the 1787 census with Lorentz and Dorthe as her parents.
Sincerely,
Paul
Thank you for all for the answers. Now on to the son-in-law of Anna Bertelsen to see if I can find some answers on his family.
Roger