Hi,
I am trying to find out more information about my ggggrandfather Christen Jensen Torp and gggrandfather Julius Waldemar Torp.
According to the FT-1840 census:
København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Øster Kvarter, Norgesgade 197, Bagstuen, 1078, FT-1840, C4387
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christen Torp 36 Enkemand Snedkersvend
Julius Torp 10 Ugift hans Søn
Christen is listed as a widower, but I believe he had been married to Ann Catherine Rotzow (not sure of name spelling).
Julius Waldemar Torp later emigrated to Liverpool, UK as a sailor and anglisized his name to Walter Thorpe.
I could not find them in any census before or after the FT-1840 census.
Any help in identifying sources for further research would be very much appreciated.
Best regards,
Stuart Thorpe
Ailsa Craig, Ontario, Canada
Hi Stuart,
Julius Waldemar Torp was born 19 Dec 1830 and baptized 13 Mar 1831 in Helligaand, Sokkelund, København, opslag 85 nr 12. His parents are Christen Jensen Torp and Anne Cathrine Rotzow. There is a Rotzow as a witness but I can't make out the first name.
Sincerely,
Paul
North Carolina, USA
This MAY be him:
Census Year 1845
Name Chisten Jensen Torp
Gender Mand
Age 41
Born Year 1804
Born Placename Kjøbenhavn
Born Date
House Role
Business Snedkersvend
Marital Status Gift
No. of Marriages
Family No. 1
Matr no. Adelgade 234,Stueetagen tilhøire
Parish Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter
Hundred København (Staden)
County København
Placename
No. of living children
No. of dead children
Religion
Original Religion
Disability
Original Disability
Record No. 8413
Source Reference 181
Comments
8413 Chisten Jensen Torp Male 41 1804 Married Snedkersvend
8414 Marie Christensen Female 31 1814 Married hans Kone
8415 Caroline Johanne Emilie Torp Female 3 1842 Single deres Datter
8416 Betty Catinke Olivia Torp Female 1 1844 Single deres Datter
Data hentet fra Dansk Demografisk Database Ref. DDA-13621, Kipnr. C4015. Sogn: Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter. Herred: København (Staden). Amt: København. Post nr. 8413 af 20052. Indtaster: Benthe Anthony. Se dokumentation til indtastningen. Se originale indtastning hos Dansk Demografisk Database på http://ddd.dda.dk
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Census Year 1850
Name Christian Jensen Torp
Gender Mand
Age 46
Born Year 1804
Born Placename København
Born Date
House Role
Business snedkersvend
Marital Status Gift
No. of Marriages
Family No. 328
Matr no. Studiestræde 56, 1ste sal
Parish Nørre Kvarter
Hundred København (Staden)
County København
Placename Nørre Kvarter I
No. of living children
No. of dead children
Religion
Original Religion
Disability
Original Disability
Record No. 1900
Source Reference 130
Comments
Husstand
Løbe nr. Navn Køn Alder Født år Civilstand Information
1900 Christian Jensen Torp Male 46 1804 Married snedkersvend
1901 Marie Torp Female 35 1815 Married dennes kone
1902 Caroline Johanne Emilie Do. Female 8 1842 Single deres børn
1903 Betzy Catinka Olivia Do. Female 8 1842 Single deres børn
1904 Tora Natalia Do. Female 4 1846 Single deres børn
1905 Adlrida Julie Do. Female 2 1848 Single deres børn
Data hentet fra Dansk Demografisk Database Ref. DDA-11228, Kipnr. C1883. Sogn: Nørre Kvarter. Herred: København (Staden). Amt: København. Post nr. 1900 af 8982. Indtaster: Gerda Svane. Se dokumentation til indtastningen. Se originale indtastning hos Dansk Demografisk Database på http://ddd.dda.dk
This may be Julius
Census Year 1845
Name Julius Torp
Gender Mand
Age 15
Born Year 1830
Born Placename København
Born Date
House Role
Business Læredrenge
Marital Status Ugift
No. of Marriages
Family No. 29
Matr no. stuen
Parish Christianshavn Kvarter
Hundred København (Staden)
County København
Placename Strandgade 29
No. of living children
No. of dead children
Religion
Original Religion
Disability
Original Disability
Record No. 806
Source Reference 58
Comments
Husstand
Løbe nr. Navn Køn Alder Født år Civilstand Information
794 Rasmus Holm Male 47 1798 Married Capitain, sejl, flag og søegarnsmagermester
795 Christiane Mammen Female 39 1806 Married hans kone
796 Anna Holm Female 16 1829 deres børn
797 Rasmus Holm Male 14 1831 deres børn
798 Peter Holm Male 12 1833 Single deres børn
799 Jacob Holm Male 7 1838 Single deres børn
800 Udøbt Drengebarn Male 1 1844 Single deres børn
801 Thora Hansen Female 25 1820 Single tjenestepige
802 Maren Jensdatter Female 30 1815 Single tjenestepige
803 Julius Petersen Male 19 1826 Single Læredrenge
804 Frederich Petersen Male 18 1827 Single Læredrenge
805 Jørgen Rasmussen Male 16 1829 Single Læredrenge
806 Julius Torp Male 15 1830 Single Læredrenge
Data hentet fra Dansk Demografisk Database Ref. DDA-12380, Kipnr. C2161. Sogn: Christianshavn Kvarter. Herred: København (Staden). Amt: København. Post nr. 806 af 12998. Indtaster: Henning Christensen. Se dokumentation til indtastningen. Se originale indtastning hos Dansk Demografisk Database på http://ddd.dda.dk
Christen Jensen Torp remarried:
København, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , Adelgade 234,Stueetagen tilhøire, 1, FT-1845, C4015
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Chisten Jensen Torp 41 Gift Snedkersvend Kjøbenhavn
Marie Christensen 31 Gift hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Caroline Johanne Emilie Torp 3 deres Datter Kjøbenhavn
Betty Catinke Olivia Torp 1 deres Datter Kjøbenhavn
København, København (Staden), Nørre Kvarter, Nørre Kvarter I, Studiestræde 56, 1ste sal, 328, FT-1850, C1883
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Christian Jensen Torp 46 Gift snedkersvend Kjøbenhavn
Marie Torp 35 Gift dennes kone Ditto
Caroline Johanne Emilie Do. 8 Ugift deres børn Ditto
Betzy Catinka Olivia Do. 8 Ugift deres børn Ditto
Tora Natalia Do. 4 Ugift deres børn Ditto
Adlrida Julie Do. 2 Ugift deres børn Ditto
In 1845 Julius Waldemar is learning the trade of a sailor:
København, København (Staden), Christianshavn Kvarter, Strandgade 29, stuen, 29, FT-1845, C2161
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rasmus Holm 47 Gift Capitain. sejl. flag og søegarnsmagermester København
Christiane Mammen 39 Gift hans kone Præstø
Anna Holm 16 - deres børn København
Rasmus Holm 14 - deres børn København
Peter Holm 12 - deres børn København
Jacob Holm 7 - deres børn København
Udøbt Drengebarn 1 - deres børn København
Thora Hansen 25 Ugift tjenestepige Rønne
Maren Jensdatter 30 Ugift tjenestepige Lindelse sogn. Langeland
Julius Petersen 19 Ugift Læredrenge København
Frederich Petersen 18 Ugift Læredrenge Stege
Jørgen Rasmussen 16 Ugift Læredrenge København
Julius Torp 15 Ugift Læredrenge København
Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Hi Stuart,
Also born to Christen Jensen Torp and Anne Cathrine Rotzow, Frederik Vilhelm Torp. He was born 10 Mar 1834 and was baptized in Helligaand on 30 May 1834, opslag 376 nr 56.
Sincerely,
Paul
Birth and baptism of Julius Waldemar - found by Paul:
www.sa.dk/content/dk/ao-forside/find_kirkeboger, København, Sokkelund, Helligånd 1830-1836, opslag 85, No 12
Born 19 Dec. 1830. Julius Waldemar Torp. Baptized 13 March in the church.
Parents: Christen Jensen Torp og Anne Cathrine Torp, født Rotzow,
boende i Store Grønnegade 289.
One of the witnesses is Skoemagersvend Rotzow.
Unfortunately, most of the 1834 census for Copenhagen city has been lost. I cannot find the Torp family or any
Rotzows in FT-1834.
Best regards,
Inger T.
If you go to familysearch.org/search and do a search on Christen Jensen Torp for Denmark Birth year 1804 you will find several entries for him with multiple wives. I have listed only some of them here. You will need to determine if they are yours or not.
Children for Christen Jensen Torp and Ane Cathrine Rotzov:
"Denmark, Baptisms, 1618-1923", index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYF2-TTR : accessed 02 Dec 2013), Christian Jensen Torp in entry for Carl Eduard Torp, 25 Oct 1829.
Julius Waldemar Torp
Carl Eduard Torp
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Children for Christen Jensen Torp and Karen Marie Christensen:
"Denmark, Baptisms, 1618-1923," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYHV-26F : accessed 02 Dec 2013), Christen Jensen Torp in entry for Caroline Johanne Emilie Torp, 03 Jul 1842.
Caroline Johanne Emilie Torp
Thora Nathalia Torp
Adelaide Julie Torp
Betzy Cathinca Olivia Torp
Jens Chr. Christensen
København, Sokkelund, Trinitatis 1828-1831, opslag 162, No 248:
Carl Eduard Torp, born 4 Sept. 1829, baptized in the church 25 Oct. 29.
Parents: Journeyman cabinetmaker* Christian Jensen Torp and wife
Ane Cathrine Rotzow, Borgergade No 177.
Witnesses: The parents.
* Snedkersvend
Inger T.
Here is the second wife in the 1880 census
Source: FT-1880
Name: Karen Mrie Torp, f. Christensen Sex: K
Birth date: 66
Position in household: Husmoder Marital status: Enke
Birth place: København
Parish: Gammel Kongevej (ulige numre) District: København (Staden)
County: København Place name: Udenbys Vester Kvarter, Gammel Kongevejs Rode
Household-/family no: 23
Married when: 1842 Living children: 5
Dead children: 2 Address: Gammel Kongevej 37, Forhus, 3.sal c
Title: 89 b
Religion: Lutheran
Rent: 48 Windows: 1
Source entry no: D3040 Record no.: 697
Comments: Fribolig
Sincerely,
Paul
And three of the children
All persons in the household
København, København (Staden), Nygade, Nygade 2, 93, 13, FT-1880, D4531
Name: Age: Marital status: Pos. in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Bentzy Cathinca Olivia Torp 35 Ugift Hovedperson Porcelænshandlerske
Thora Nathalie Torp 33 Ugift Hovedperson Porcelænshandlerske
Jenny Marie Torp 24 Ugift Jomfru
Anders Petersen Munch 22 Ugift
Sincerely,
Paul
The three daughter in the 1880 census can be found in the 1901 census, Overgaden neden Vandet 39 , 2, opslag 47.
Sincerely,
Paul
In Politiets registerblade:
Jenny Marie Torp
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2301679&searchname=polit_simple
Thora Nathilie Torp:
http://www.politietsregisterblade.dk/component/sfup/?controller=politregisterblade&task=viewRegisterblad&id=2301701&searchname=polit_simple
I think there will be more Torps in Politiets Registerblade.
mvh Verner
Hi Stuart Thorpe,
Try to see the Church book Trinitatis Kb. 1793 - 1811 Opsl. 169, bottom on the right page, Christen Jensen (hiemmedøbt)
1804:
1) Den 16de Martii lod? Stephen Christensen Torp, Theehandler
2) og Kirstine Cathrine Michelsen i Adelgade No. 237
3) kaldt Christen Jensen, hiemmedøbt
4) bar ham, og Jfr. Caroline Sørensen
5)
I hope you can use it.
Says hello from Finn, as you spoke to in Canada
Best Regards
Ib Egebjerg Nielsen
See also:
Some Chrildren for Stephen og Kirstine Torp:
Trinitatis Kb. 1793 - 1811 Opsl. 312:
Juliane Rasmine døbt. 18. jan. 1811
Trinitatis Kb. 1828 1831, opsl. 324:
Emilie Caroline født 21. maj 1828
Trinitatis Kb. 1793 1811, opsl. 211:
Anne Sophie døbt 5. december 1806
Trinitatis Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 190:
Julius Theodor født 4. juli 1820 [1821]
Trinitatis Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 229:
Gotfred Emil født 7. marts 1823
Trinitatis Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 132:
August William født 2. november 1818
Trinitatis Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 47:
Carl Ferdinand født 14. maj 1815
Trinitatis Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 101:
Hendrik Ludvig født 15. maj 1817
Trinitatis Kb.1808 1813, opsl. 52 :
Johan Peder født 16. maj 1813
Trinitatis Kb. 1793 1811, opsl. 194:
Andreas Carlsen døbt 6. december 1805
Trinitati Kb. 1813 1827, opsl. 162:
Carl Eduard født 20. marts 1820