I am looking for any living descendants of Signe Jacobine Monrad Hermansen (born 15 October 1875, Skanderborg).
Signe married Jens Peder Hansen Tjørnlund on 12 April 1896 in Viborg.
As far as I am aware, they only had one child: Anna Jensine Catrine Tjørnlund (born 21 April 1896, Viborg).
I am hoping any living descendants may have done a DNA test which would help me with my genealogy research. You are welcome to contact me privately if you prefer.
Thanks :)
The name of the daughter is
Alma Jensine Katrine Hansen Tjørnlund *21. April 1896 - Serup, Hids, Viborg (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=168652#168652,28318583)
Svend Rasmus Holst + Alma Jensine living in Copenhagen (https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-1338005)
A daughter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn666/churchlisting22185/opslag4502107) Solbjerg Parish. + Vor Frelser Parish (https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn688/churchlisting28870/opslag5802029)
Alma Jensine marriage no 18
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119859#158892,26698961
The family in the 1916 Census, Copenhagen: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid19709411
- see Original Source
Surname was changed from Hansen to Tjørnlund in 1909.
The family living in Copenhagen: https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-425551
1901 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid21361761
1906 Census: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid22323059
Alma's mother died in 1946: https://dodsregister.dk/Infopage.aspx?id=TlpCvGEtvbwhVrKCgX3uTQ==
Her father died in 1950: https://dodsregister.dk/Infopage.aspx?id=ha4fzk1JZw5DPcQLRFoGbQ==
Her husband Svend Rasmus Holst died in 1956: https://dodsregister.dk/Infopage.aspx?id=MvkJwznAREMgMTIi4FHFNg==
1940 Census: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=224000#224000,42203853 - see page 15
Venlig hilsen
Inger Toudal
Thank you everyone for this information — apologies for my delayed reply — I thought I had subscribed to this post so I would get alerts when there were replies, but obviously I hadn't!
I will have a good look through the information this evening and get back to you if I have any further questions.
Thanks again! :)
Citat fra: Britta Hansen Dato 04 Jul 2022 - 08:35
The name of the daughter is
Alma Jensine Katrine Hansen Tjørnlund *21. April 1896 - Serup, Hids, Viborg (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=168652#168652,28318583)
Svend Rasmus Holst + Alma Jensine living in Copenhagen (https://kbharkiv.dk/permalink/post/17-1338005)
A daughter (https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn666/churchlisting22185/opslag4502107) Solbjerg Parish. + Vor Frelser Parish (https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn688/churchlisting28870/opslag5802029)
This is excellent — thanks so much, Britta! Do you know why Nina would have her birth recorded at two different parishes?
Citat fra: Bente Wanning Møller Poulsen Dato 04 Jul 2022 - 10:43
Alma Jensine marriage no 18
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119859#158892,26698961
Thanks for this, Bente (and for pointing out they are number 18 on the list ... I was having trouble reading all the names)! Could you please confirm the date of Signe and Jens marriage? Does the record say 17 March 1922, Frelsers Parish, Copenhagen?
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 04 Jul 2022 - 12:00
Surname was changed from Hansen to Tjørnlund in 1909.
Wow! That's a LOT of research! Many thanks, Inger. :)
Would it be unusual for a man to change his surname at 35 years of age? It looks like there was some discrepancy as to the spelling of the surname of their daughter, Alma, too (see the link provided by Britta). Alma's surname was originally written as
Hansen then crossed out and changed to
Tjørnlund. ???xxx
Citat fra: JuliaH Dato 07 Jul 2022 - 10:09
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 04 Jul 2022 - 12:00
Surname was changed from Hansen to Tjørnlund in 1909.
Wow! That's a LOT of research! Many thanks, Inger. :)
Would it be unusual for a man to change his surname at 35 years of age? It looks like there was some discrepancy as to the spelling of the surname of their daughter, Alma, too (see the link provided by Britta). Alma's surname was originally written as Hansen then crossed out and changed to Tjørnlund. ???xxx
Inger is my Danish genealogy hero. ;D
As for name changes, yes, it was not unusual. My grandfather was 26 when he changed his name in Canada from Åge Rosenlund-Jensen to Arthur Rosenland and his Danish birth record notes this name change in Canada.
She is found on the 1880 Census here living with relatives? Perhaps these are her grandparents?
Year:
FT-1880 Source reference: Kort 963,Lb.1
Parish: Almind District: Lysgaard
Shire: Viborg Place name: Almind
Source entry No: C8203 Record No.: 6
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Jacob Monrad 60 Gift Husfader, Skolelærer og Kirkesangerr Veirum Sogn, Viborg Amt
Jensine Jensen 53 Gift hans Kone Aalborg
Emil Theodor Monrad 21 Ugift Deres Barn Her i Sognet
Alma Margrethe Monrad 29 Gift Deres Barn Ullitz Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Kirstine Monrad 28 Ugift Deres Barn Ullitz Sogn, Aalborg Amt
Signe Hermansen 4 Ugift Plejebarn Them Sogn, Skanderborg Amt Ingeborg Jensen 1 Ugift Plejebarn Sønderup S. Aalborg Amt
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 08 Jul 2022 - 05:03
Inger is my Danish genealogy hero. ;D
Hahaha! It's always nice to have someone who can find their way around Danish records! :)
I understand many Danes anglicised their names when they immigrated to English-speaking countries, but I was curious about why a male (who remained within Denmark), would drop his surname and choose to go by his middle name?
Thanks for the 1880 census info — I was aware that Signe was living with her mother and grandparents at that time. She seems to have disappeared from the 1890 and 1911 census, but perhaps that's due to my beginner's researching skills!
Frelser parish, København 17. March 1922
no 18
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17119859#158892,26698961
The two fathers are best men.
Citat fra: Bente Wanning Møller Poulsen Dato 08 Jul 2022 - 09:16
The two fathers are best men.
Thanks, Bente. Could you please tell me which part of the marriage document shows the fathers are the best men? Is it written under the groom's name? Sorry, I have a lot of trouble understanding what is written on many of the documents (and Google Translate is only as good as the information I put into it)! ;D
Concerning best men, please refer to:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Denmark_Genealogy - Church Records - 3.3. Marriages
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Denmark_Parish_Register_Headings#Marriages
- Forlovernes fulde Navn, Stilling og Bopæl.
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After 1904, when a new law concerning surnames was approved in Denmark, people were encouraged
to change surnames ending in -sen to more individual surnames.
Tjørnlund was not Jens Peder Hansen's middle name: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=149463&side=15 - No 3
- see remarks on right page: ... Tjørnlund instead of Hansen ...
JPH was born in the village of Tjørnelunde in Finderup parish, Holbæk county.
When the father in a family changed his surname, the surname of wife and children also changed.
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It seems that Alma had no siblings, and Alma's daughter also seems to be the only child of hers.
The daughter was born at a maternity home in Solbjerg parish and baptized in Vor Frelser's parish, the home parish of the family.
Venlig hilsen
Inger
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Thanks for the 1880 census info — I was aware that Signe was living with her mother and grandparents at that time. She seems to have disappeared from the 1890 and 1911 census, but perhaps that's due to my beginner's researching skills!
I think this must be her. Between 1874-1876 there is only on Signe Hermandsen born in Them, Skanderborg and it is your Signe. I am not clear why she is listed as their child but this could simply be a mistake made by the recorder particularly since her parents lived until 1946 and 1950.
Year:
FT-1890 Source reference: Serup
Birth place: Tem [ Them ]
Parish: Serup District: Hids
Shire: Viborg Place name: Serup
Source entry No: C9875 Record No.: 86
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Niels Andersen 54 Gift Husfader Landmand , Husejer Aarhus
Mina Andersen 39 Gift Husmoder Wits ???
Signe Hermandsen 14 Ugift Barn Tem [ Them ] Ditlev Andersen 5 Ugift Barn Fiskbæk
Anna Andersen 3 Ugift Barn Ørum
Christen Christensen 42 Gift Husfader Husmand Landbrug Veierlev , Randers Amt
Bodil Marie Christiane Jensen 33 Gift Husmoder Hinge , Viborg Amt
Anders Nielsen 32 Gift Husfader Lærer Eltang , Kolding
Marie Nielsen født Bul 32 Gift Hustru Madmoder Eltang , Kolding
Niels Nielsen 8 Ugift Barn Leierskov
Simon Nielsen 7 Ugift Barn Leierskov
Maren Nielsen 4 Ugift Barn Leierskov
Aage Nielsen Under et aar Ugift Barn Leierskov
Mete Marie Kjerstine Pedersen 17 Ugift Tjenstepige Medhjælper Serup , Viborg A.
Source document can be found here: https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid12691689 (https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid12691689)
Signe Hermansen is living with her mother Alma and stepfather Niels Andersen in 1890.
There's a mistake in the indexed census: Alma (not Mina) Andersen, born in Ulits.
Another mistake: Niels Andersen, born in Aarslev.
Signe's confirmation 13 Apr. 1890: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=168651&side=63 - No 1
Venlig hilsen
Inger
1911 Census, Suensongade 2, Copenhagen: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=65836&side=60
Venlig hilsen
Inger
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 09 Jul 2022 - 18:29
After 1904, when a new law concerning surnames was approved in Denmark, people were encouraged
to change surnames ending in -sen to more individual surnames.
JPH was born in the village of Tjørnelunde in Finderup parish, Holbæk county.
When the father in a family changed his surname, the surname of wife and children also changed.
That's so interesting! Thanks for that little piece of history, Inger. :)
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 10 Jul 2022 - 00:35
I think this must be her.
How did you manage to find her, Rebecca?! I don't know how many hours I have spent on Danish Family Search looking for that census info and haven't been able to find it!! :o
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 10 Jul 2022 - 02:22
1911 Census, Suensongade 2, Copenhagen: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=65836&side=60
Thank you once again, Inger — I can see why Rebecca refers to you as her Danish genealogy hero!!
I was not aware of the
ao.salldata.dk website you use — I might give it a go and see if I can be as good a detective as you are!
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How did you manage to find her, Rebecca?! I don't know how many hours I have spent on Danish Family Search looking for that census info and haven't been able to find it!! :o
Hi Julia,
I literally used a wildcard (ie: %) on DDD and went through each of the likely counties. At first I found her and discounted it because it said she was their daughter but when I looked closely at it again I realised it must be a mistake that they listed her a "barn." I also did not put two and two together that Mina was her mother.
DDD here: https://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp?sit=2 (https://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp?sit=2)
I used:
County = Viborg
Name contains = Si%ne (sometimes the name Signe is transcribed at Sine. I did not include a surname or patronymic in case she was Monrad or Hermansen)
Year of birth (calculated): 1875
Interval: +/- 2 years
Census year = 1890
I could not find her easily in 1911 because København is not yet transcribed and so not yet searchable on DDD.
This is how I read the 1890 Census https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid12691689 - Original Source:
Viborg, Hids, Serup, Serup, , 6, FT-1890, C9875
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birthplace:
Niels Andersen 54 Gift Husfader Landmand, Husejer Aarslev
Alma Andersen 39 Gift Husmoder Ulits
Signe Hermansen 14 Ugift Barn Tem
Ditlev Andersen 5 Ugift Barn Fiskbæk
Anna Andersen 3 Ugift Barn Ørum
Venlig hilsen
Inger
Citat fra: Rebecca Johnson Dato 10 Jul 2022 - 06:10
I literally used a wildcard (ie: %) on DDD and went through each of the likely counties.
DDD here: https://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp?sit=2 (https://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp?sit=2)
I used:
County = Viborg
Name contains = Si%ne (sometimes the name Signe is transcribed at Sine. I did not include a surname or patronymic in case she was Monrad or Hermansen)
Year of birth (calculated): 1875
Interval: +/- 2 years
Census year = 1890
SUCCESS! Thanks so much for simplifying the process for me, Rebecca — I think I was actually adding too much information to my searches rather than using wildcards and excluding surnames. I will try be a little less specific with my searches from here on in. ;D
Citat fra: Inger Toudal Dato 10 Jul 2022 - 23:45
This is how I read the 1890 Census https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/cid12691689 - Original Source:
Thanks, Inger. I often use the Danish Family Search website but I'm not always successful with my searches (but I now know why, thanks to Rebecca's post)! I've got so much to learn! ;D
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SUCCESS! Thanks so much for simplifying the process for me, Rebecca — I think I was actually adding too much information to my searches rather than using wildcards and excluding surnames. I will try be a little less specific with my searches from here on in. ;D
Oh, I am glad that worked. I find using the '%' wildcard on DDD to be a godsend. Particularly as patronymics were being phased out and females were sometimes 'datter' and sometime 'sen.' So I just put Niels% or Peders% to capture them that way. Then, once I find them on DDD I go looking on DanishFamilySearch.
And, since I have found out the hard way, if you cannot find your primary person try looking for a family member instead because even using the '%' wildcard does not capture transcription errors that made their way to DDD.
Obviously if you know for sure which Parish a person was living in you would add that as a search criteria.
Hey Rebecca, Inger may be the Danish genealogy hero, but you're my DDD user-guide hero! ;D
Citat fra: Julia Graham Dato 12 Jul 2022 - 00:51
Hey Rebecca, Inger may be the Danish genealogy hero, but you're my DDD user-guide hero! ;D
Haha! Thanks! :D
It is always good to pass along information so that others do not bang their heads against the wall like I have at times.
I'm still on the hunt for Signe's descendants ... in particular, Nina Annilise Holst.
Nina was born 23 November 1923 (Solbjerg Parish, Sokkelund, Copenhagen).
The most recent record she is in is the 1940 census:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=224000#224000,42203867 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=224000#224000,42203867)
After that, I can't find her anywhere. Are there any super genealogy detectives available who can find out if Nina got married, had children, or when she died?
Also, I'm having difficulty finding information on when Nina's mother, Alma Jensine Katrine Holst (født Tjørnlund) died. I'm wondering if they both emigrated somewhere together (but I can't find them on any emigration lists, either)!
Many thanks for your help, once again.
Alma Jensine sold the house at Zinniavej 11 in 1958 - Property court records (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=42537#42537,7067176)(Tinglysning)
Her address was Amager Landevej 149, 2.th. (looks like a rented apartment) item #3 (https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=42537#42537,7067177)
- -
The enquiry made at borger.dk (The Public Personal Register estab. april 1968) did not return any
data (date of death and/or address) on Nina Annilise.
Thanks so much for persisting with this, Britta!
In the first set of property court records, is the date next to Alma's name (1930) the year she purchased the house? I looked up a translation for the word lyst, but it came back as bright (which doesn't make much sense)!
Also, what makes you think the second property was a rented apartment? Just curious because I am trying to learn / understand as much as I can about each of the records.
Thanks again for your help (and the enquiry you made at borger.dk). :)