https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/sogn1939/churchbook/source132783/opslag14269013https:
According to the 1834 census of Harre parish in Viborg Amp, Peder Christensen and wife Else Christensdatter were both born in 1783.
I can't read any of the few entries for that year. Of course, the census doesn't tell me they were born in that parish ... but is my first place to look. If anybody would like to read the few entries for 1783, I'd appreciate the date of birth and the parents names. Not asking for much am I? Sorry, Claude
Here is the 8 Feb 1811 marriage of Peder and Else. Perhaps there is a clue there but I can´t read it. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455741
Perhaps Peder in the 1787 census.
All information on selected person
Year: FT-1787 Source reference: p. 174
Household No: 20
Name: Peder Christensen Gender: M
Age: 4
Position in household: Barn af 1ste Egteskab Occupation: hiemme og opfødis
Parish: Harre District: Harre
Shire: Viborg Place name: Harre Bye
Source entry No: B8218 Record No.: 92
All members of the household
Name: Age: Married?: Pos. in household: Occupation: BirTD place:
Christen Madsen 38 Gift Hosbonde Huusmand og Daglejer
Johan Pedersd[atter] 40 Gift Madmoder
Peder Christensen 4 Barn af 1ste Egteskab hiemme og opfødis
and here is the baptism of Peder, son of Christen Madsen, on the 11th Sunday after Trinity Sunday. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455628
The baptism of Peder:
1783
Den 13de Søndag efter Trinit. blef Christen Madsens Barn Døbt
i Harre Kirke nafnl. Peder ! Test: Peder Strandgaard, Anders Prim-
dal, Knud Lauers(en), Joh. Hvedeg(aa)rd, Johanne Peitersdaatter bar Barnet.
--------------- translation
The 13th Sunday after Trinit. Christen Madsen's child was baptized
in Harre church named Peder ! Test: Peder Strandgaard, Anders Prim-
dal, Knud Lauers(en), Joh. Hvedeg(aa)rd, Johanne Peitersdaatter carried the child.
Confirmations in Harre/Hjerk
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455759 left
1799 Peder Christensen
1803 Else Christensdatter (no age)
Census 1801 Viborg, Harre, Hjerk, Hierck Bye, 19
Christen Sørrensen 50 Gift Huusfader Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Inger Pedersdatter 44 Gift Hans Kone
Peder Christensen 19 Ugift Deris Børn
Jens Christensen 8 Ugift Deris Børn
Mette Christensdatter 23 Ugift Deris Børn
Anne Christensdatter 21 Ugift Deris Børn
Else Christensdatter 14 Ugift Deris Børn
Niels Jensen 19 Ugift Tieneste Karl
Census 1787 Viborg, Harre, Hjerk, Hierck Bye, 8
Christen Sørensen 34 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Inger Pedersdatter 29 Gift Madmoder
Peder Christens[en] 4 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Mette Christensd[atter] 8 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Anna Christensd[atter] 7 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Baptism of Else is prob. here: https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455631 left
1788
5te Syndag post Trinit. blef Christen Kastrups* Barn
af Hierch Dens Daab publicered i Hierch Kirke, og kaldet
Else. Test: Søren Andersen, Jens Kastrup, Christen Bolm
Anne Jensd. Else Nielsd., Karen Sørensd. bar Barnet.
d. 8de Maii blef Den hiemmedøbt.
-------------- translation
5th Sunday post Trinit. Christen Kastrup's* child *identical with Christen Sørensen
of Hierch its baptism published in Hierch church, and named
Else. Test: Søren Andersen, Jens Kastrup, Christen Bolm
Anne Jensd. Else Nielsd., Karen Sørensd. carried the child..
d. 8th of Maii it was baptized at home. (prob. born that day or the day before)
Marriage 1781 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455733 left
Efter Foregaaende Trolovelse og Tillysning af Prædikestoelen
blev Christen Madsen og Johanne Pors viede tilsammen i Harre Kirke
Palmesøndag. Forloverne vare Ole Jacobsen og Peder Strandgaard.
--------------- translation
After previous betrothal and proclamation from the pulpit
Christen Madsen and Johanne Pors got married in Harre church on
Palm Sunday*. Best men were Ole Jacobsen and Peder Strandgaard. *April 8
Ole
Thanks Ole and Paul: I printed your very helpful information so I could digest it without having to go back to my computer every hour... It takes me awhile to put everybody in their proper place....it takes awhile because I occasionally have a little 'mental slippage' as you well know if you've been following my requests. Thanks so much! Claude
The name "Pors" is one of the old. See this:
http://wiberg-net.dk/914-15-RibeDk.htm
7. k. 17/4 1595, o. 21/4 [Rtr. her 7/5 85 – 14/7 90, da han reiste udenlands] Mag. Mathias (Mads) Andersen Pors, f. Hors.; F. A. Madsen P., Kbmd. og Bgmstr. (2 ~ Lisbeth Hansdtr. Tausen af Roesk. Dk. (2 ~ H. Madsen i Horsens)); M. vist Anne Olufsdtr. Staby; St. i Kbh. 79, Wittenberg 80; Mag. 8/3 s. A.; St. i Wittenberg og Rostock 91; vist Rtr. Hors. c. 91; Rtr. Bogense 29/9 92; i Frankfurt a. M. 94 for at udgive en Bog; ~ 26/11 92 Anna Pedersdtr., levede endnu 33, † før 41; mindst 2 S., 2 D.; F. P. Baggesen; M. Dorothea Sørensdtr. Stage; see H. N. Lend i Gram; Peder M. P. i Vilslev-H.; [afsat 1616 enten fordi han havde skrevet Noget i Dedicationen til sin nomenclator, der udlagdes som Ironie (,,tuum ingenii acumen – præfiscine – elegantemque eruditionem docti ommes et admirantur et venerantur"), eller rimeligere for Skjørlevnet og Ulydighet; † Ribe 18; velbegavet og kundskabsriig; formuende; eiede ,,Porsbjerg" i Ribe; W. 2/214; N. 468].
KS 6:2 (1936-38), s. 224; Kinch i SJHT 1:5, s. 235-38 (Hans Tavsens Børn); Helk I, s. 348; Hegelund I s. 168, 210, 228, 235, 252, 267, 301, 314, 435, 458, 526, II s. 105, 145, 152, 161, 168, 190, 201, 247, 257, 283; Kinch II, s. 90, 238-247, 251, 531, 576, 821.
Greetings
Christian
We have got both Peder Christensen and Else Christensdatter WRONG.
I am now convinced, that Peder Christensen (PC) is not a son of Christen Madsen , but a son of Christen
Sørensen (also named Christen Kaastrup/Kostrup).
PC in the 2 censuses
Census 1787 Viborg, Harre, Hjerk, Hierck Bye, 8
Christen Sørensen 34 Gift Hosbonde Bonde og Gaardbeboer (peasant and resident of a farm)
Inger Pedersdatter 29 Gift Madmoder
Peder Christens[en] 4 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Mette Christensd[atter] 8 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Anna Christensd[atter] 7 Børn af andet Egteskab Ernæring af Forældrene
Census 1801 Viborg, Harre, Hjerk, Hierck Bye, 19
Christen Sørrensen 50 Gift Huusfader Bonde og Gaardbeboer
Inger Pedersdatter 44 Gift Hans Kone
Peder Christensen 19 Ugift Deris Børn
Jens Christensen 8 Ugift Deris Børn
Mette Christensdatter 23 Ugift Deris Børn
Anne Christensdatter 21 Ugift Deris Børn
Else Christensdatter 14 Ugift Deris Børn
Niels Jensen 19 Ugift Tieneste Karl
The marriage in 1811 gives the explanations:
Best man of PC is Peder Sørensen Kaastrup, who is a brother to his father, who was buried 30.july 1803.
I could follow PC in the levying rolls from 1789 until 1813, when he is here:
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18334,1068440 bottom
7 - 4 Peder (father Kristen Kaastrup) - 29 yo - 67¼" - now in 13 L39 (in lægd 13 (Harre) with no L39 ***)
1804 GBES (farm using widows son) givt (gift - married)
1811 S(oldier) 2JR 4/1 (2. Jydske Regiment)
Gaardmand efter tingl(æst) Skiøde (farmer acc. to recorded deed)
Fremlægger Gmds Attest næste Session (Shows farmer certificate at next session) Sess.1814
*** https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18340,1069935
L 39 Peder now in Dalstrup i Harre parish as farmer
and as L 41 is his newborn son Christen, born Jan.8, 1813
--------------- next time in 1816
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#18346,1071032
L 39 Peder - 1815 Gmd paa 3 Td 7 Skp 2½ Alb Hkorn efter tingl. Auctionsskjøde af 5 Septbr 1813.
farmer at 'Hartkorn' 3 Td 7 Skp 2½ Alb acc. to recorded deed from Sept.5,1813.
- and below are his 2 sons both named Kristen 4 and 3 yo as no L40 and L41
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Viborg, Hindborg, Volling, Volling bye, , 8, FT-1787, B6257
Christen Eising 55 Gift hosbonde bonde og gaardbeboer
Bodild Eskesdatter 48 Gift madmoder (both in 1. marriage)
Niels Christensen 16 Ugift deres ægte børn
Niels Christensen 9 Ugift deres ægte børn
Jørgen Christensen 6 Ugift deres ægte børn
Mette Christensdatter 19 Ugift deres ægte børn
Else Christensdatter* 3 Ugift deres ægte børn
*Confirmation 1798 https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=160006#160006,26899011 no 23
Else's bapt. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=160006#160006,26898942 left
1784 Dom. Cant. (May 9) fremstillet i Wolling K. Christen Essings liden
Datter af Wolling kaldet Else, baaren af Jens Degns Hustru
Faddere Willads Essing, Anders Essing begge af Wolling, Jørgen
Nielsen og Mette Niels Datter begge af Synder Balling.
The marriage in 1811 also tells us, that the wedding was held in Volling with Else's brother, name not mentioned,
but it must be Niels Christensen. Else is not FROM Bajlum, but probably just serving there in 1811.
Conclusion:
Peder Christensen is a son of Christen Sørensen (Kaastrup) and Inger Pedersdatter in Hjerk.
Else Christensdatter is a daughter of Christen Essing and Bodil Eskesdatter in Volling.
Ole
Baptism of Peder Christensen 26.dec. 1782 (church year 1783)
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=163465#163465,27455627
2den Juule Dag blef Christen Kostrups barn af Neder Hierk Døbt
i Hierk Kirke, Kaldet Peder ! Test: Søren Kostrup, Anders Knud-
sen, Thomas Eistrup, Søren Peder Weibye, Maren Pedersdaatter Wejbye
bar barnet.
--------------- translation
Boxing Day Christen Kostrup's child of Neder Hierk was baptized
in Hierk church, named Peder ! Test: Søren Kostrup, Anders Knud-
sen, Thomas Eistrup, Søren Peder Weibye, Maren Pedersdaatter Wejbye
carried the child.
:)Thanks Ole!