Dear co-searchers,
I am trying to find the first migrants of the Sietam-family in the States.
1:I know for a fact, that the Sietam-family originally comes from Germany.
2: I have found an Ellis Island ship manifest for a Wilhelmina Sietam from 1893. She leaves from Burg, Germany and her destination is Iowa.
3: She is 16 years old and travels alone.
4: I have found a Wilhelmina Sietam at familysearch.org but can not se anything further than that she changed her name in marriage to Althof.
5: There are many Sietams in the States, but if she changed her name, and they did not come via ellis Island, where did they register then? Is there any possible way to find out?
We are in contact with Sietams in Pennesylvania now, but they can not help with any details.
How do I find more details about this Family now. Where do I begin?
I really hope that someone can give me the missing link.
Kind regards
Christina Sietam
Hi Christina,
Here are some Sietams in the transcribed Danish records
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
and http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
and http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
These parts of Denmark were lost to Germany in a war of 1864.
Sincerely,
Paul
Hi Christina,
I wonder if this is your Wilhelmina? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=73496531&PIpi=45570818
Sincerely,
Paul
Not your Wilhelmina. According to the 1920 census, Minnie came to the US in 1882.
Hi Christina,
Found a 1923 Iowa marriage where the groom's (John Clarence Althof) father is Louis Althof and his mother is Minnie Sietam. The file is to large for me to post here but if you give me your e-mail address I will send it to you. After more research I think the grave that I found is of Wilhelmina and the 1920 census had the wrong date of her coming to the USA. I am sure the 1920 census is your Wilhelmina.
Try this https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Iowa&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMinnie%20%2Bsurname%3AAlthof%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22United%20States%2CIowa%22
Also this https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=Iowa&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMinnie~%20%2Bsurname%3ASietam%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22United%20States%2CIowa%22
Sincerely,
Paul
Hi Christina,
Here is a brother of Wilhelmina.
Name Charles Frederick Emil Sietam
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 21 Oct 1894
Event Place Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 25
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Father's Name John Sietam
Mother's Name Anna Schultz
Spouse's Name Maria Kruse
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Spouse's Father's Name Wm. Henry Kruse
Spouse's Mother's Name Christine Schultz
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42677287&ref=acom
Sincerely,
Paul
Once again Hi,
I don't have access to the German records on ancestry.com but the 1851 Lübeck census there is a Johannes Sietam born about 1833 in Burg auf Fehmarn. Both Wilhelmina and Charles's father is listed as Johannes Sietam in the American records. Note that in the 1893 manifest for Wilhelmina she is from Burg.
You can order the microfilm of the Burg auf Fehmarn church records from a Mormon Family History Center. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/69994?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Paul
Found these 1840 and 1845 censuses at http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp (County: Sydslesvig, Parish: Burg):
Sydslesvig, , Burg, Burg, Stadt, 1. Quartier, Breite Strasse, Haus Nr. 9, 9-F1, FT-1840, C6026
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation:
Andr. Johann Sietam 35 Verheir Clempner
Elsabeth Buttschaft 41 Verheir seine Frau
Joh. Hermann Hinr. Sietam 6 Unverheir sein Sohn
Conrad Heinr. Gottlieb Sietam 3 Unverheir sein Sohn
Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Breite Straße, 4. Quartier, Haus N. 57, 265-F3, FT-1845, D4626
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Andr. Sietam 40 Verheir. Klempner Lübeck
Elisabeth Buttschau 46 Verheir. dessen Frau Norderkirchsp.
Johannes Sietam 11 Unverheir. dessen Kind Burg
Conrad Sietam 8 Unverheir. dessen Kind Burg
The 1835, 1840, 1855, and 1860 censuses for Slesvig are available at
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/rif/rif-collection/7
- choose Sogn: Burg auf Fehmarn
Not able to find the 1860 census for Burg, though.
Fehmarn families - Sietam: http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/o/s/John-S-Kostick/COL56-1704.html
Best regards,
Inger Toudal
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD71-CLP
Name Hans Sietan
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 26 Mar 1872
Event Place New York, New York, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 18
Birthplace Germany
Occupation Farmer
Ship Name Holland
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Departure Port Liverpool & Queenstown
Literacy Unknown
Destination Place United States
Affiliate Manifest ID 00032246
Affiliate ARC Identifier 1746067
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSJ-5LXR
Name Carl Sietam
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1884
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 15
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Birthplace Germany
Ship Name Laurent
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS2-GL35
Name Hubert Sietam
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1891
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 7
Birth Year (Estimated) 1884
Birthplace Prussia
Ship Name Dania
Best regards,
Inger
Hi Christina,
Found this information on familysearch.org.
Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
Sex
Male
Birth
17 March 1834
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Christening
Add
Death
13 January 1909
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Burial
Add
Other Information
Open Details | Add
Family Members
Spouses and Children
Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
1834-1909 • L7GJ-YJ7
Catharina Dorothea Voderberg
1842-1926 • L7GJ-YHW
Marriage: 21 June 1861
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Johannes Hermann Heinrich Sietam
1834-1909 • L7GJ-YJ7
Anna Christina Emerentia Schulz
1839-1880 • L7GJ-YR6
Marriage: 21 June 1861
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
This is the information on Anna
Anna Christina Emerentia Schulz
L7GJ-YR6
Watch
Birth
14 January 1839
Burg (auf Fehmarn), Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen, Germany
Death
21 4 1880
This is Anna in the 1845 census
All persons in the household
Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Badstawen, 2. Quartier, Haus No. 6, 66, FT-1845, D4626
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Joh. Carl Schultz 55 Verheir. Tischler Burg
Anna Chr. Braasch 53 Verheir. seine Frau Sulsdorf bei Heiligenhafen
Georg W. Schultz 13 Unverheir. Burg
Anna Chr. Schultz 7 Unverheir. Burg
Since the American records list Wilhelmina and Charles' parents as Johannes Sietam and Anna Schulz, this has to be their parents.
Sincerely,
Paul
http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ellis-island-history
"Prior to 1890, the individual states (rather than the Federal government) regulated immigration into the United States. Castle Garden in the Battery (originally known as Castle Clinton) served as the New York State immigration station from 1855 to 1890 and approximately eight million immigrants, mostly from Northern and Western Europe, passed through its doors.....The Federal government intervened and constructed a new Federally-operated immigration station on Ellis Island. While the new immigration station on Ellis Island was under construction, the Barge Office at the Battery was used for the processing of immigrants.
The new structure on Ellis Island, built of "Georgia pine" opened on January 1, 1892."
I did a search at Castle Garden http://castlegarden.org/index.php - but only came up with Hans Sietan (arr. 1872),
Carl Sietam (arr. 1884), Hubert Sietam (arr. 1891), and Wilhelmine Sietam (arr.1893).
Best regards,
Inger
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XKGB-2JG
Name Charles Sietam
Event Type Naturalization
Event Place Toledo, Iowa
Event Date 1890
Birthplace Germany
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTQL-H4Y
Name Chas F E Sietam
Event Type Census
Event Date 1895
Event Place Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Page 288
This could be Johannes Georg Conrad, born 29 Dec. 1867 in Burg:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTQL-5D2
Name Johannes Sietam
Event Type Census
Event Date 1895
Event Place Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Page 221
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6C-HD9
Name Fredrick Sietam
Event Type Census
Event Date 1880
Event Place Allegheny, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Male
Age 53
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Occupation Night Watchman
Relationship to Head of Household Self
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Self
Birth Year (Estimated) 1827
Birthplace Germany
Father's Birthplace Germany
Mother's Birthplace Germany
Sheet Letter C
Sheet Number 274
Person Number 0
Volume 1
Best regards,
Inger
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXPM-M5Z
Name Frederick Seitam
Event Type Census
Event Date 1860
Event Place 3rd Ward Allegheny, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, United States
Gender Male
Age 32
Race White
Race (Original) [Blank]
Birth Year (Estimated) 1828
Birthplace Holstein
Page 250
Johana Seitam F 36 Hanover
Christian Seitam M 7 Hanover
Olrenia Seitam F 4 Pennsylvania
Henry Seitam M 2 Pennsylvania
Best regards,
Inger
Carl F. Sietam:
1900 census in Iowa: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M92M-Z1S
Johannes Sietam:
1910 census in Oregon: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLBW-LVX
1920 census in Wisconsin: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFVR-M3W
1940 census in Wisconsin: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7N9-VQC
Johannes Sietam's wife was Christina Brandt, and he had a daughter Alvina (see 1910 census).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJWK-MDF
Name Johannes Sietain
Birth: 1867 Burch-Schlaswig Holstein Ger
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 20 Mar 1893
Event Place Des Moines, Polk, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Father's Name Johannes Sietain
Spouse's Name Christina Brandt
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Spouse's Father's Name Heinrich Brandt
Is it a coincidence that Fredrick Sietam in Pennsylvania also had a daughter named Alwine?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6C-HD9
Fredrick Sietam
United States Census, 1880
Fredrick Sietam Self M 53 Germany
Johana Sietam Wife F 58 Germany
Christian Sietam Son M 26 Pennsylvania, United States
Alwine Sietam Daughter F 23 Pennsylvania, United States
Henry Sietam Son M 22 Pennsylvania, United States
Louisa Sietam Daughter F 19 Pennsylvania, United States
Best regards,
Inger
Carl F. Sietam:
Iowa State Census, 1915: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK4R-FTGH
- see following images for family: wife Mary, sons Loyd 15 y, and Karl 2 y.
United States Census, 1930: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XMNX-D8S
Best regards,
Inger
It seems that the surname of Hans Sietan, who immigrated 1872, was Zietan:
United States Census, 1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQM8-VT8
I cannot find any later info about Hubert Sietam, who immigrated 1891.
So there are at least these male Sietams immigrating from Germany:
- Carl F. Sietam (b. 1869), immigration year 1884, who had the sons
- Loyd (b. around 1900)
- Karl (b. around 1912)
- Johannes Sietam (b. 1867), immigration year 1889 (according to 1920 census), who had the sons
- Fred (b. around 1897)
- Endos(?) (b. around 1900)
- William (b. around 1901)
- Emil (b. around 1905)
- Harry (b. around 1907)
- Frank (b. around 1909)
- Harry (b. around 1910)
- Fredrick Sietam (b. 1828), immigration year before 1860, who had the sons
- Christian (b. around 1854)
- Henry (b. around 1858)
Christian Sietam is here:
United States Census, 1900: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS15-5DB
Christian Sietam Head M 45 Pennsylvania
Clarence Sietam Son M 17 Pennsylvania
Carl Sietam Son M 15 Pennsylvania
Hazel Sietam Daughter F 12 Pennsylvania
Edward Sietam Son M 10 Pennsylvania
Allina Sietam Sister F 42 Pennsylvania
Best regards,
Inger
Hi Christina,
I hope the above information brings you further than you got 10 years ago:
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?11,235325,235383
Fehmarn was under Danish rule until 1864: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn
According to http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/navne/HvorMange there are 17 persons
with the surname Sietam in Denmark.
The Sietams who immigrated to Denmark were born in e.g .Berlin, or Lübeck:
Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Adelgaden, 63, 111, FT-1860, C3093
Name: Age: Marital status: Position i household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rudolph Christian Sietam 42 Gift Kjøbmand, Huusfader Berlin
Laura Cecilia Regina Brandt 28 Gift Hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Caroline Elisabeth Franciska Sietam 3 Ugift Deres Datter Nykjøbing
Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Westergade, Baghuset No 14, 13, FT-1860, C3093
Name: Age: Marital status: Position i household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hans Ulrich Christian Sietam 66 Gift Galanterihandler, Huusfader Lübeck
Henriette Christiane Ejdam 60 Gift Hans Kone Berlin
Best regards,
Inger
Kære Paul og Inger,
tusind tak for jeres store hjælp begge to. Jeg googlede dig lige Paul, for jeg kunne ikke huske om du er dansktalende eller engelsktalende ;-), så nu kan jeg lige så godt lige skrive til jer på dansk.
Det er mange år siden jeg sidst har siddet ved dis-forum. Kunne ikke logge ind med mit gamle brugernavn, så jeg måtte endda oprette et nyt.
Nu er det blevet lidt interessant at finde ud af hvordan vi hænger sammen med de amerikanere vi har fået kendskab/familieskab til i Pennesylvania gennem facebook, så derfor dette spørgsmål I nu har hjulpet mig lidt videre med.
Jeg vil i morgen, prøve at sætte informationerne ind i mit program, og se hvordan jeg kan få det til at hæge sammen videre frem med de oplysninger jeg har selv i forvejen. Det er ikke meget.
Jeg kendte slet ikke til det nye "immigrationskontor" du hentyder til, Inger, men der fandt du vist "the missing link" for når kvinderne gifter sig og skifter navne, er det altså ikke dem der fører slægtsnavnet videre og så manglede jeg jo ligesom noget - ik?
Har I adgang til noget jeg ikke selv har adgang til på nettet? Alt hvad der ligger på familysearch og ancestry.com kan jeg sagtens finde selv, men jeg tænker at I, hvis I har arbejdet, eller arbejder meget i USA, har adgang til databaser jeg ikke har adgang til.
Indtil videre skal I i hvert fald begge to have rigtig mange tak for den information I har givet jer tid at finde og jeg håber jeg må vende tilbage til jer, hvis der skulle være andre uoplyste informationer jeg søger.
Jeg bor på Fyn og kender rigtig meget til slægtsforskning både på nettet men også ude i det ganske danske land, så hvis jeg kan hjælpe jer den vej, så sig endelig til. Jeg er en gammel rotte på dis, men det er læææææææænge siden.
Med venlig hilsen
Christina Sietam
Citat fra: Paul Løndahl-Smidt [17618] Dato 21 Jul 2016 - 18:22
Hi Christina,
Here are some Sietams in the transcribed Danish records
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
and http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
and http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_enkel_uk.asp
These parts of Denmark were lost to Germany in a war of 1864.
Sincerely,
Paul
Bare lige til info Paul: når jeg klikker på dine links går den direkte til søgesiden, så jeg kan intet se, ej heller i hvilke amter eller sogne du har søgt.
Hilsen Christina
Citat fra: Paul Løndahl-Smidt [17618] Dato 22 Jul 2016 - 00:12
Hi Christina,
Here is a brother of Wilhelmina.
Name Charles Frederick Emil Sietam
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 21 Oct 1894
Event Place Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 25
Birth Year (Estimated) 1869
Father's Name John Sietam
Mother's Name Anna Schultz
Spouse's Name Maria Kruse
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Spouse's Father's Name Wm. Henry Kruse
Spouse's Mother's Name Christine Schultz
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=42677287&ref=acom
Sincerely,
Paul
Hej Paul,
hvorfra ved du at dette er broderen? MVH Christina
Citat fra: Inger Toudal [1655] Dato 23 Jul 2016 - 20:10
Hi Christina,
I hope the above information brings you further than you got 10 years ago:
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/forum/read.php?11,235325,235383
Fehmarn was under Danish rule until 1864: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn
According to http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/navne/HvorMange there are 17 persons
with the surname Sietam in Denmark.
The Sietams who immigrated to Denmark were born in e.g .Berlin, or Lübeck:
Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Adelgaden, 63, 111, FT-1860, C3093
Name: Age: Marital status: Position i household: Occupation: Birth place:
Rudolph Christian Sietam 42 Gift Kjøbmand, Huusfader Berlin
Laura Cecilia Regina Brandt 28 Gift Hans Kone Kjøbenhavn
Caroline Elisabeth Franciska Sietam 3 Ugift Deres Datter Nykjøbing
Thisted, Morsø Sønder, Nykøbing Mors Købstad, Westergade, Baghuset No 14, 13, FT-1860, C3093
Name: Age: Marital status: Position i household: Occupation: Birth place:
Hans Ulrich Christian Sietam 66 Gift Galanterihandler, Huusfader Lübeck
Henriette Christiane Ejdam 60 Gift Hans Kone Berlin
Best regards,
Inger
Hej Inger,
Jeg tror jeg har ALT hvad der findes i min direkte anelinie tilbage til 1500 i Danmark og Lübeck/Estland. Alt dette har jeg efterforsket for ti år siden. Rudolph og Laura Cecilia er mine direkte tip-2oldeforældre. Min oldemor var Thora Husted Sietam født i Nykøbing og giftede sig med min oldefar fra Ærø. Så alle dem i Dk har jeg selv fundet. Alle i Tyskland og Estland har jeg sammen med en mand til en tysk Sietam-ane, Dr. Michael Rotger Schnetlage, fundet og kørt ind også.
Hej Christina
Mon ikke Pauls formodning bygger på, at Charles' og Wilhelmines forældre har de samme navne
(fra et af de links til FamilySearch, Paul satte ind om Wilhelmine):
Name Louis Friedrich Althof
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 01 Apr 1894
Event Place Gladbrook, Tama, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 27
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Father's Name Friedr. L. Chr. Althof
Mother's Name Sophie C. Chr./Therman
Spouse's Name Anna Emilie Wilhelmine Sietam
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Spouse's Father's Name Johann Sietam
Spouse's Mother's Name Anna Schultz
Om Charles står der i øvrigt ved vielsen 1894: Birth 1869 Frenniam, Germany - det må vel være Fehmarn.
Ved Johannes Sietams vielse 1893 står der, at hans far hedder Johannes Sietam, så han kunne høre til
i samme søskendeflok:
Name Johannes Sietain
Birth: 1867 Burch-Schlaswig Holstein Ger
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 20 Mar 1893
Event Place Des Moines, Polk, Iowa, United States
Gender Male
Age 26
Birth Year (Estimated) 1867
Father's Name Johannes Sietain
Spouse's Name Christina Brandt
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 23
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1870
Spouse's Father's Name Heinrich Brandt
Jf. http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/o/s/John-S-Kostick/COL56-1704.html - hvor der desværre ikke står noget
om forældrene til de nævnte personer.
Faderen til Johannes Sietam (f. 1834, gift med Anna Schulz), Andreas, er ifølge FT-1845 født i Lübeck:
Sydslesvig, , Burg, Stadt Burg, Breite Straße, 4. Quartier, Haus N. 57, 265-F3, FT-1845, D4626
Name: Age: Marital status: Position in household: Occupation: Birth place:
Andr. Sietam 40 Verheir. Klempner Lübeck
Elisabeth Buttschau 46 Verheir. dessen Frau Norderkirchsp.
Johannes Sietam 11 Unverheir. dessen Kind Burg
Conrad Sietam 8 Unverheir. dessen Kind Burg
Venlig hilsen
Inger