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Titel: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland Dato 17 Jan 2014 - 07:09
My 4 times great grandmother Ane Margrethe Hansdatter was born 11 Nov 1781 in Kolstrup, Bjerge, Odense, Denmark.

I found the birth record in the parish records for Kolstrup:
1776 - 1814
Opslag 26
born 11 Nov 1781
1st record

Until now I only knew her father was Hans and it looks like both parents are mentioned in the birth record but I cannot make out the names.
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Heidi Ilsoee Dato 17 Jan 2014 - 10:40
She is here:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/a/c/Lissi-Jacobsen-Odense-N/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-2551.html

Daughter of Hans Larsen and Johanne Andersdatter.

Heidi
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland Dato 17 Jan 2014 - 23:08
Thank you so much Heidi!  That is exactly what I was looking for.
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland Dato 19 Jan 2014 - 02:44
Unfortunately the 1787 Census for Ladby, Kolstrup, Bjerge, Odense indicates that Johanne Andersdatter is his second wife and the first three children are from his 1st marriage.  I looked at the death records and could not locate a child bearing age female who died between the birth of the third child in 1786 and the Census in 1787 so I think I may be at a dead end on the name of my 5 times great grandmother.  :-\
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Heidi Ilsoee Dato 22 Jan 2014 - 12:19
Odense, Bjerge, Kølstrup, Ladby bye, ingen, 71, FT-1787, B2918
Hans Larsen 38 Gift hosbonde bonde og gaardbeboer 
Johanne Andersdatter 35 Gift madmoder   
Lars Hansen 3 Ugift søn af 1ste ægteskab   
Anna Magrethe Hansdatter 5 Ugift datter af 1ste ægteskab   
Karen Hansdatter 1 Ugift datter af 1ste ægteskab   

I think Johanne Andersdatter is your 5 times grandmother.

Anne Margrethe Hansdatter was babtised 11.11.1781
Lars Hansen was babtised 07.12.1783
Karen Hansdatter babtised 29.01.1786 (died early)
Karen Hansdatter was babtised 06.08.1786

I haven not been able to find Hans and Johannes marriage in Kølstrup, however there is a couple with these names married 08.10.1779 in Verninge parish, Odense (neighbour parish to Kølstrup)

Some of the counting-commissioners wrote children of 1. marriage even though the couple had not been married before.

Heidi
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Ralph Rasmussen Dato 22 Jan 2014 - 14:30
To Heidi's point:

Kilde:  FT-1787 Kildehenvisning: Side 50
Navn:  Johanne Andersdatter
Alder:  35
Stilling i husstanden:  madmoder Civilstand:  Gift
Sogn:  Kølstrup Herred:  Bjerge
Amt:  Odense Stednavn:  Ladby bye
Husstands-/familienr:  71 Matr.nr/adresse:  ingen
Nr. ægteskab:  1  
Indtastningsnr:  B2918 Løbenr.:  434
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Heidi Ilsoee Dato 22 Jan 2014 - 14:34
Odense, Bjerge, Kølstrup, Ladbye, , 89, FT-1801, B3772
Hans Larsen 52 Gift Huusbonde Fæste Gaardmand 
Johanne AndersDatter 49 Gift Hans Kone   
Lars Hansen 17 Ugift Deres Børn   
Anders Hansen 11 Ugift Deres Børn   
Anne Margrethe HansDatter 19 Ugift Deres Børn   
Karen HansDatter 14 Ugift Deres Børn   
Else HansDatter 9 Ugift Deres Børn

Hans and Johanne had 5 surviving children all born i Kølstrup parish, Odense
Anne Margrethe Hansdatter was babtised 11.11.1781
Lars Hansen was babtised 07.12.1783
Karen Hansdatter babtised 29.01.1786 (died early)
Karen Hansdatter was babtised 06.08.1786
Anders Hansen babtised 02.08.1789
Else Hansdatter babtised 11.12.1791

Heidi
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Inger Toudal Dato 22 Jan 2014 - 16:36

Just to make sure:

Source:    FT-1787
Name:    Hans Larsen
Age:    38
Position in household:    hosbonde   Marital status:    Gift
Occupation:    bonde og gaardbeboer
Parish:    Kølstrup   District:    Bjerge
County:    Odense   Place name:    Ladby bye
Household-/family no:    71   Title no/address:    ingen
Marriage no:    1
Source entry no:    B2918   Record no.:    433

To get info about marriage No in FT-1787 and FT-1801, click "Show all fields" at http://ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp
or look up the original census at http://www.sa.dk/content/dk/ao-forside/find_folketallinger

Best regards,
Inger Toudal
Titel: Sv: Need help reading birth record from 1781
Indlæg af: Linda Michelle Thérèsa de Bodt Rosenland Dato 25 Jan 2014 - 04:54
Thank you all for the information and tips.  I have been searching and searching and could not find a first wife for Hans Larsen not realizing the census takers made those kinds of notations.  Until now when I have seen af 1ste ægteskab I have taken it to mean there had been a previous marriage.  In all other cases where I have noted this I did, indeed, find another marriage with a spouse dying.  This was the first time it did not work out that way and now I realize why.  I will make sure to expand the information on the Census data in the future when I run into this.  Thanks again.